[Discussion] Man living without a heart. Has no pulse.

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[video=youtube;EkSk6gQI5cU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkSk6gQI5cU[/video]

Take that religion! :rolleyes:

No, on a more serious note that's pretty damn insane. Granted, he only lived 5 weeks afterwards(I believe), he was still able to say his final goodbyes or whatever. Had they not given him this transplant he would've died within those 12 hours and I think it's a good thing they did the transplant.

What do you guys think? :flakez:
 

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That guy's voice is annoying.

Isn't it basically a pacemaker?
 

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Saw this quite a while ago. Impressive indeed but it has it's flaws if you plan on living your entire life dependent on an tech-heart in this case, no
 

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Saw this quite a while ago. Impressive indeed but it has it's flaws if you plan on living your entire life dependent on an tech-heart in this case, no

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Yeah i would rather die than that

Ok its good you can live longer but if i would depend on an tech-heart sports and many other activities i wouldnt be able to do that so it would be annoying from time to time
 

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Lucky him, he can't have unrequited love issues.:bdpf:
 

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Well, yes, the primary function of the heart is to circulate blood; by replacing it with a positive displacement pump, you should be able to almost completely replace the heart's known physiological functions.

There are a few issues that I can see.

The first is the issue of clotting. You would likely need a steady supply of Heparin or other equivalent anti-clotting agent in order to prevent the blood from clotting within the mechanical parts (for all intents and purposes, blood can be thought of as magical and being able to tell when it's in something other than a vein or the body - so it clots... hell - sometimes it clots in the legs or brain when it's not supposed to).

The second is that vein and artery grafts are tricky as hell. Blood vessels of all types will grow and meander. The circulatory system of our body actually changes in response to things like exercise - vessels strengthen and weaken, branch and divide - it's very troublesome when you have chronic patients (such as in Dialysis) and things drift around. Likewise - the implant can see issues with veins it is connected to being unruly.

In the long term - it's questionable as to what the absence of a pulse would do. It may sound strange - but the beat of the heart produces a sudden rise and fall in pressure throughout much of the circulatory system. To believe that our bodies have not developed systems that function using that principle would be somewhat naive. I haven't been able to do a thorough review of the animal trials - but for a long-term "bionic" replacement, it may be better to use a pump that can emulate the throb - such as a set of diaphragm/piston pumps or a peristaltic pump (which, in theory at least, could use a grafted real vein and a set of rollers to prevent the blood from needing to come into contact with anything other than body tissue).

Otherwise - in Dialysis, we do something very similar. We take blood outside of the body, circulate it through a set of fibers, and then return it to the body. Flow rates are fairly slow (highest most prescriptions call for is 600 ml/min) but determined by both patient health and what can be practically drawn through the needles used as an interface. There are also limits on what can be done in terms of what is good for setting up an access (since this is all done outside of the body).

By no fluke, the best way of getting blood outside of the body is to access the arteries that are often contained beneath fat and muscle layers. Veins are easy to get to, but they have much lower flow rates. The popular solution is a fistula - a grafting of a vein and an artery together near the surface of the skin. There's a big push in Dialysis to move everyone to them who can tolerate the procedure. It has lower incidence of infection - but does require exercise to keep active and can end up being shut off by the body.

There's also some research that suggests there could be some consequences for the heart on the long term (because you are basically creating a short loop that allows blood to flow rapidly from the heart and back to it) - but considering your options are the mess of catheters, implanted grafts (that must eventually be re-implanted), and fistulas... or dying...

Anyway - since we're talking about replacing the heart, here, that's all of somewhat limited relevance.
 

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Lucky him, he can't have unrequited love issues.:bdpf:

Yes, yes. I can seriously agree with that. Heck, I was going to comment that lucky that he doesn't need to love anyone.
 

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It's 4 years ago .



here it have more info .
 
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Now all they need to do is improve on it some and legnthen the amount of time it would keep you alive, hello immortality.
 

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Now all they need to do is improve on it some and legnthen the amount of time it would keep you alive, hello immortality.

Not really immortality. You just replaced an organic pump with a mechanical one. You still die when it goes out.

OT: So... no heart attacks in 2115?
 

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Not really immortality. You just replaced an organic pump with a mechanical one. You still die when it goes out.

OT: So... no heart attacks in 2115?
That's why I said they should lengthen the time limit, even if I'd die when it goes out, let that time be centuries from now.
 

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That's why I said they should lengthen the time limit, even if I'd die when it goes out, let that time be centuries from now.

What does this have to do with what I said? My point was that this doesn't make you immortal... no matter how far you push the time limit...
 

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What does this have to do with what I said? My point was that this doesn't make you immortal... no matter how far you push the time limit...
It makes you as close to immortal as you can get. No one really wants to be immortal, people want to have the choice of dying eventually. I sure would like to live a few centuries more so this machine or pacemaker is welcomed.
 

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