[Discussion] Magellan vs luffy

scorezor · Oct 10, 2015

luffy wins.

Akuma · Oct 10, 2015

Luffy mid diff

Punk Hazard · Oct 10, 2015

ToshiZO said:
And in the same arc Blackbeard was on the floor coughing up blood from a jet pistol.

*Sigh* Jesus Christ

A v i · Oct 10, 2015

I wonder what good bring up Blackbeard can do when we're talking about Magellan. Magellan isn't Blackbeard. BB actually had feats in his favor when Magellan has none. Blackbeard isn't as stoic as other top guys but his endurance is clearly at the top along with other top dogs.

OT: Luffy wins by feats.

Punk Hazard · Oct 10, 2015

A v i said:
I wonder what good bring up Blackbeard can do when we're talking about Magellan. Magellan isn't Blackbeard. BB actually had feats in his favor when Magellan has none. Blackbeard isn't as stoic as other top guys but his endurance is clearly at the top along with other top dogs.

OT: Luffy wins by feats.

Oh my ****ing God...

A v i · Oct 10, 2015

Knight of Hell said:
Oh my ****ing God...

Why don't you actually prove me wrong instead of posting irrelevant stuff? Let me know when you have proofs to say that Magellan is as much of a tank as Blackbeard.

Hexuze · Oct 10, 2015

Luffy will win. Iirc Luffy brought Magellan to his knees with just a bazooka.

Punk Hazard · Oct 10, 2015

A v i said:
Why don't you actually prove me wrong instead of posting irrelevant stuff? Let me know when you have proofs to say that Magellan is as much of a tank as Blackbeard.

That's. Not. The. Point. People say Magellan is weak and overrated because he was brought down to his knees by a Bazooka and took damage from pre-skip, pre-Haki Luffy. So did Teach, and he was the top Yonko candidate DAYS later and took attacks from people like Sengoku and Whitebeard THAT SAME DAY. So, no, just because Magellan was hurt by Luffy doesn't mean he's weak or overrated because a character with the aforementioned characteristics suffered the same damage. A Jet Pistol left Teach bleeding, but didn't break Magellan's skin.

ToshiZO · Oct 10, 2015

A v i said:
I wonder what good bring up Blackbeard can do when we're talking about Magellan. Magellan isn't Blackbeard. BB actually had feats in his favor when Magellan has none. Blackbeard isn't as stoic as other top guys but his endurance is clearly at the top along with other top dogs.

OT: Luffy wins by feats.

This is why we have portrayal. Magellan was portrayed to be on another level compared to guys like Ivankov and Jimbei. Just like Teach was to a lesser extent, so getting hurt by pre skip Luffy, doesn't erase his portrayal. Ivankov should atleast be post skip M3 level and he got low-mid diffed by Magellan, THAT is what pretty much overrides pre skip Luffy hurting Magellan since we've seen a post skip M3 level character suffering a similar fate to Luffy.

So that whole "Oh Magellan doesn't have any feats against strong characters" deal doesn't work.

OG sama · Oct 10, 2015

Knight of Hell said:
That's. Not. The. Point. People say Magellan is weak and overrated because he was brought down to his knees by a Bazooka and took damage from pre-skip, pre-Haki Luffy. So did Teach, and he was the top Yonko candidate DAYS later and took attacks from people like Sengoku and Whitebeard THAT SAME DAY. So, no, just because Magellan was hurt by Luffy doesn't mean he's weak or overrated because a character with the aforementioned characteristics suffered the same damage. A Jet Pistol left Teach bleeding, but didn't break Magellan's skin.

How does Teach go from being noticeably harmed by a jet pistol to shrugging off attacks from Whitebeard and Sengoku? Sounds like BBs feats are inconsistent, his fruit doubles damage to his body but yet he shrugged off attacks from people much stronger than Luffy better than he could that jet pistol.

I mean its like the damage he received from WB and Sengoku were treated just about as equal to the jet pistol he took from Luffy.

Punk Hazard · Oct 10, 2015

OG sama said:
How does Teach go from being noticeably harmed by a jet pistol to shrugging off attacks from Whitebeard and Sengoku? Sounds like BBs feats are inconsistent, his fruit doubles damage to his body but yet he shrugged off attacks from people much stronger than Luffy better than he could that jet pistol.

I mean its like the damage he received from WB and Sengoku were treated just about as equal to the jet pistol he took from Luffy.

Ask ****ing Oda? You're saying this to me like I drew Teach being damaged by the Jet Pistol and then taking the shockwave later on in the same day.

Also, his fruit increases the amount of pain he feels, not the amount of damage done to his body. A burn on his arm is still a burn on his arm, it'd just hurt a hell of a lot more.

ToshiZO · Oct 10, 2015

OG sama said:
How does Teach go from being noticeably harmed by a jet pistol to shrugging off attacks from Whitebeard and Sengoku? Sounds like BBs feats are inconsistent, his fruit doubles damage to his body but yet he shrugged off attacks from people much stronger than Luffy better than he could that jet pistol.

I mean its like the damage he received from WB and Sengoku were treated just about as equal to the jet pistol he took from Luffy.

exactly the point. Luffy was hurting people who he had no business hurting, BUT portrayal and other feats nullify Luffy's (who is shielded by plots) feats. If they don't have this extra portrayal and feats than it is fair game to judge them based off these things.

Same deal with Luffy tanking Sengoku's attack to some extent. Don't take it too seriously he's the main character after all.

TRE MERCER · Oct 10, 2015

Luffy wins but he'll lose later via poison.

MickNerks · Oct 11, 2015

If luffy does win, then its with high difficulty.

I think some of you are underrating Megellan's abilities. This man, as leader of Impel Down, was portrayed as stronger than the prisoner's that were held there, including Ace.

ToshiZO said:
This is why we have portrayal. Magellan was portrayed to be on another level compared to guys like Ivankov and Jimbei. Just like Teach was to a lesser extent, so getting hurt by pre skip Luffy, doesn't erase his portrayal. Ivankov should atleast be post skip M3 level and he got low-mid diffed by Magellan, THAT is what pretty much overrides pre skip Luffy hurting Magellan since we've seen a post skip M3 level character suffering a similar fate to Luffy.

So that whole "Oh Magellan doesn't have any feats against strong characters" deal doesn't work.

How do you know that Ivankov was low diff'd by Megellan?

A v i · Oct 11, 2015

ToshiZO said:
This is why we have portrayal. Magellan was portrayed to be on another level compared to guys like Ivankov and Jimbei. Just like Teach was to a lesser extent, so getting hurt by pre skip Luffy, doesn't erase his portrayal. Ivankov should atleast be post skip M3 level and he got low-mid diffed by Magellan, THAT is what pretty much overrides pre skip Luffy hurting Magellan since we've seen a post skip M3 level character suffering a similar fate to Luffy.

So that whole "Oh Magellan doesn't have any feats against strong characters" deal doesn't work.

I do know how portrayal works. Magellan is similar to people like Crocodile and Enel, albeit he's better than them. They'd trash others as long as their abilities work and get trashed if their ability gets countered. It was clearly proved in his battle with Luffy, Luffy did fine against Magellan and actually forced him to use his apparent ultimate move when he had means to fight without having to worry about Magellan's ability which is something even Iva couldn't do. Besides this so called portrayal of him comes mostly from his fruit, it adds nothing to his physical capabilities whatsoever so you definitely can't use Blackbeard as a reference to justify Magellan's portrayal. Magellan's one of few people to whom you can't simply apply ABC logic so him defeating Iva means nothing. Besides I seriously don't think Iva's portrayal was justified against Magellan if he really is as strong as if not stronger than current M3. I don't get how Magellan can fight against these attacks [
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Punk Hazard · Oct 11, 2015

A v i said:
I do know how portrayal works. Magellan is similar to people like Crocodile and Enel, albeit he's better than them. They'd trash others as long as their abilities work and get trashed if their abilities gets countered. It was clearly proved in his battle with Luffy, Luffy did fine against Magellan and actually forced him to use his apparent ultimate move when he had means to fight without having to worry about Magellan's ability which is something even Iva couldn't do. Besides this so called portrayal of him comes mostly from his fruit, it adds nothing to his physical capabilities whatsoever so you definitely can't use Blackbeard as a reference to justify Magellan's portrayal.

Yes. You can.

Bogard · Oct 11, 2015

A v i said:
I do know how portrayal works. Magellan is similar to people like Crocodile and Enel, albeit he's better than them. They'd trash others as long as their abilities work and get trashed if their abilities gets countered. It was clearly proved in his battle with Luffy, Luffy did fine against Magellan and actually forced him to use his apparent ultimate move when he had means to fight without having to worry about Magellan's ability which is something even Iva couldn't do. Besides this so called portrayal of him comes mostly from his fruit, it adds nothing to his physical capabilities whatsoever so you definitely can't use Blackbeard as a reference to justify Magellan's portrayal.

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