Madara's Ultimate Perfect Susanoo or Naruto's BSM?

[Bogard]

No...Bogard...just no....you are the one who is twisting the manga to your benefit. It clearly is not at all what you say...it's so mind-boggling to me that you actually believe what you're saying. Then to post the definition, and only bold what aids your argument? Bogard....I have nothing left to say. You truly have blew my mind this day. I'm just in wonderment.... He is clearly giving a generalization...even so...in that context it's beyond pellucid imho that he is saying it equals that of the Bijuu...which, just take your pick. With that I'm at a lost....which is rarity for me....maybe I just don't care to explain the obvious.

I'm twisting nothing. You're the one refusing to see something clearly showed by the dictionary i delivered. I only bolded the other possibility(almost equal), because like i've said it can be equal or the other possibility gave by the dictionary(almost equal). THe only person i see biased here is you, but i understand. You're a Madara fan, so maybe it's because of this

Well, basically Madaras CS tanked Kuramas TBB. I know that it was pretty fast and random TBB, but then again, we are talking about CS, not PS that is higher level of Susanoo.

Manga says that Kurama could bust a mountain with the swing of his tail, but so can PS with the swing of its sword. If fact, its able to cut through three mountains in a row, not even touching them. And...

Is this a trolling or what?

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-> Narutos charged TBB contributed to half of that explosion, so what we see here is pretty much the most full Kurama could do. Obviously, the explosion is vast, but its clear it wouldnt destroy a county. As manga says, it would take power of the all Bijuus combined (Juubi) do destroy a county, let alone whole continent.

I admit i exaggerated a little bit on this part But it was just to say the scaling of the attacks is above PS, and if you look at it you can confirm it since PS has never shown on attack on the scale of pic you posted. Also no, Naruto didn't charge the TBB at all(not for long), since he instantly threw a Tailed Beast Bomb of that power level on the same pic:

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Like you say yourself, during the VOTE, Kurama didn't charge his Tailed beast bomb at all especially when you know that he was restrained by Hashirama's wood dragon that absorbs chakra. And no, Madara did tank it with his PS only that it was

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that was in the process of

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since directly after it, we see it was already stabilized

 

[Turson]

I admit i exaggerated a little bit on this part But it was just to say the scaling of the attacks is above PS

Scalling? Yes. Stronger? Not necessarily. Slashing and explosion are completely different kind of damage, slashing might not be able to change terrain as much as explosion, but on the other hand its more focused.

Also no, Naruto didn't charge the TBB at all(not for long)

Bee and Hachibi were able to exchange few sentenced during the time when Naruto was charging his TBB. Keep in mind, that it dont take that long for Kurama to charge his TBB, even when hes severly exhausted. ->

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And no, Madara did tank it with his PS only that it was the unstabilized form

Well, Im just calling it Madaras CS. Point is, that lower lever of Susanoo was able to survive impact of Kuramas TBB, if it wasnt, Madara wouldnt even have a chance to use PS.

 

[warlee]

Bsm is faster by far, more versatile by far, better and stronger offence by far. The only thing ps has over bsm is size and defence which is not by much. I'd prefer ps anyday

 

[RikudouMadara]

I'm twisting nothing. You're the one refusing to see something clearly showed by the dictionary i delivered. I only bolded the other possibility(almost equal), because like i've said it can be equal or the other possibility gave by the dictionary(almost equal). THe only person i see biased here is you, but i understand. You're a Madara fan, so maybe it's because of this



I admit i exaggerated a little bit on this part But it was just to say the scaling of the attacks is above PS, and if you look at it you can confirm it since PS has never shown on attack on the scale of pic you posted. Also no, Naruto didn't charge the TBB at all(not for long), since he instantly threw a Tailed Beast Bomb of that power level on the same pic:

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Like you say yourself, during the VOTE, Kurama didn't charge his Tailed beast bomb at all especially when you know that he was restrained by Hashirama's wood dragon that absorbs chakra. And no, Madara did tank it with his PS only that it was

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that was in the process of

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, something that happened

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since directly after it, we see it was already stabilized

Hmm...me being a Madara fan has nothing to due with logical understanding....Anywho...fine, to each their own....I see you are not as understanding as I thought. I never said you were biased. Only you mentioned the word...I believe you were subconsciously displaying your own surreptitious agenda.

I'm not upset, and I don't at all dislike you Bogard. I just didn't think you'd go to such lengths as what you have here. It's ok to be wrong...I'm wrong a lot of times....pride is something to be proud of yes...but it can also hinder ones progression. With that I concede.....you win! :yayy::yayy:

 

[SuperFlyzzED]

I'm twisting nothing. You're the one refusing to see something clearly showed by the dictionary i delivered. I only bolded the other possibility(almost equal), because like i've said it can be equal or the other possibility gave by the dictionary(almost equal). THe only person i see biased here is you, but i understand. You're a Madara fan, so maybe it's because of this



I admit i exaggerated a little bit on this part But it was just to say the scaling of the attacks is above PS, and if you look at it you can confirm it since PS has never shown on attack on the scale of pic you posted. Also no, Naruto didn't charge the TBB at all(not for long), since he instantly threw a Tailed Beast Bomb of that power level on the same pic:

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Like you say yourself, during the VOTE, Kurama didn't charge his Tailed beast bomb at all especially when you know that he was restrained by Hashirama's wood dragon that absorbs chakra. And no, Madara did tank it with his PS only that it was

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that was in the process of

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, something that happened

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since directly after it, we see it was already stabilized

Go to bed you're delusional.

 

[Bogard]

Scalling? Yes. Stronger? Not necessarily. Slashing and explosion are completely different kind of damage, slashing might not be able to change terrain as much as explosion, but on the other hand its more focused.

TBB is more destructive, yes or no? It's the only point i was giving there. Also, because the slash of PS are more focused never mean it is stronger. Reason why Madara needed Kyubi's TBB to compete against Hashirama's Shinsuusenju, simply because the slashes are not enough. Even lately during their battle we see Madara's PS doing practically nothing to a small golem from Hashirama:

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Bee and Hachibi were able to exchange few sentenced during the time when Naruto was charging his TBB. Keep in mind, that it dont take that long for Kurama to charge his TBB, even when hes severly exhausted. ->

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I understand what you mean, reason why i added "not for long", but still he didn't charge the TBB that long(not as long as the other Tailed Beasts who were concentrating it since a while), which means he didn't give all his power into it

Well, Im just calling it Madaras CS. Point is, that lower lever of Susanoo was able to survive impact of Kuramas TBB, if it wasnt, Madara wouldnt even have a chance to use PS.

Like i've said, it went PS during the explosion. So the CS or whatever you call it alone didn't protect Madara

Hmm...me being a Madara fan has nothing to due with logical understanding....Anywho...fine, to each their own....I see you are not as understanding as I thought. I never said you were biased. Only you mentioned the word...I believe you were subconsciously displaying your own surreptitious agenda.

Not understandable? Not really. I understand what you mean only that it's wrong and i'm trying to tell you the reason why it's the case.

I'm not upset, and I don't at all dislike you Bogard. I just didn't think you'd go to such lengths as what you have here. It's ok to be wrong...I'm wrong a lot of times....pride is something to be proud of yes...but it can also hinder ones progression. With that I concede.....you win! :yayy::yayy:

I'm not disliking you at all. I'm only debating with arguments

 

[RikudoKami]

Madara is just so powerful then he is a master Tactician.. he is the best. Perfect Susano'o hands down, BSM is dwarfed by it.

 

[HBKJames]

I'll go with Perfect Susanoo...Madara without it was able to toy with BM, BSM can't possibly multiply his power enough to overwhelm Perfect Susanoo...maybe rival or match it, but in the end Perfect Susanoo wins, especially with its ability to use seals

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Been reading some arguments above. Let me clear this up. Madara says his Perfect Susanoo rivals the biju. I really don't think it matters whether or not he was talking about destructive powers exclusively or not. Yang Kurama has been shown to be as powerful as 5 bijus, so it has to at least be on par with Perfect Susanoo.

Some are saying that Madara was referring to bijus in general which means it rivals Kurama as well, but let me ask you something. Why didn't he say "it even rivals the 9 tails?" On top of that, why did he use the 9 tails as a pawn? He was using its power to attack and went to great pains to keep it a factor, which tells me full Kurama>PS.


SM multiplies a user's power by at least 20(physical strength at least). 20X1/2 of Kurama is 10Xfull Kurama. Perfect Susanoo being on par with BSM really isn't debatable. I'll show you why I count SM as 20X. Here's Naruto lifting something with a weak SM, which is still some enhancement.


Here's an increase shown at the start of his training.

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Now compare that to when he mastered SM.

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Now apply this to BM. PS gets stomped by BSM. I have another proof as to why BSM is way more powerful than PS.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

I'll go with Perfect Susanoo...Madara without it was able to toy with BM, BSM can't possibly multiply his power enough to overwhelm Perfect Susanoo...maybe rival or match it, but in the end Perfect Susanoo wins, especially with its ability to use seals

BSM is out of Perfect Susanoo's league. Don't believe me? Here's Obito using his black orb to defend against 4 Juubi TBBs.

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As you can see, no signs of damage. Now compare that to Naruto enhancing Minato's ransengan with Sage jutsu.

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Look at the left. The black orb actually cracked from the attack. This means BSM+YinBM was more powerful than 4 Juubi TBBs. Since it was from sage jutsu, the majority of that attack came from Naruto. PS is nowhere near BSM's power.

 

[Dark Artist]

Madara perfect Susano > Ur Favorite

Naruto BSM is extreamly overrated , we saw how useless he is even with that Power
if it wasn't for minato FTG he will be dead by obito

 

[VongolaX]

You dont understand how SM works, kid. It multiplier of power, thanks to adding natural energy ones chakra is getting bigger "only" by 33%, but on the other hand its quality becomes much better. It was all explained by Fukusaku.

Like I said don't get it wrong kid.

Half of kurama's chakra enhanced with sage mode is inferior to both yin and yang together.

 

[UchihaNagashi]

That's because you didn't read

That's because I did read.

You're the one feeding me false information.

 

[UchihaNagashi]

Like I said don't get it wrong kid.

Half of kurama's chakra enhanced with sage mode is inferior to both yin and yang together.

Holy Mother of God...

Do you really think KCM is HALF of Kurama's Yang chakra when used? And it's used again and again?

Go freaking slap yourself.

 

[Bronze]

Lol PS takes this.

BSM is a rat compared to PS. its about probably half or less than PS.

slash of its swords can easily take down Naruto.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Lol PS takes this.

BSM is a rat compared to PS. its about probably half or less than PS.

slash of its swords can easily take down Naruto.

Uh, no. You're having a fanboy moment.

 

[Bronze]

Uh, no. You're having a fanboy moment.

Lol no. everyone knows you wank Naruto so you are in no position to talk about fanboysim.

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Yang kyuubi is either half or smaller than PS meaning its a baby in front of it.

the slashes will tear it apart.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Lol no. everyone knows you wank Naruto so you are in no position to talk about fanboysim.

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Yang kyuubi is either half or smaller than PS meaning its a baby in front of it.

the slashes will tear it apart.

I don't wank Naruto. I use manga panels and commons sense to prove my points. First off, saying PS can decimate Naruto is absurd since the only damage we've seen him take has been from the Juubi's TBB, which hit him dead on and was nowhere near enough to destroy the Kurama cloak entirely.

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Why is it absurd to say PS can do this? It's because he compared the destructive power to rivaling biju(to lazy to find viz scan), and we've seen how outclassed biju are in the face of the juubi. Meaning Madara's PS has nowhere near the destructive power of the Juubi's TBB. Now Naruto has enhanced BM with SM, which I have proven must enhance it and not run simultaneously.

The reason why I said that you were having a fanboy moment is that you're clearly going against what the manga has shown. That's what I consider fanboying.


Now BSM clearly outclasses PS's destructive power considering he contributed at least half of this.

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The only way Madara would be able to beat Naruto is showing more susanoo and rinnegan combinations. However, the Madara that we've seen so far looses to BSM Naruto.

 

[shelke]

oh really? And with what? The most ps can do is mountain range. Half kurama(yin) is a country if not continent buster

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