[Theory] Madara's Trump card, meachinsm of working, how it will look like and more

[KCMNaruto]

Hello guys, I just came up with idea what Madara's trump card will be and how it could work, so please read it and enjoy as I will elaborate about my theory.

First, We know from the chapter 647 What Madara's trump card requires to work:

• Black rod
• Senjutsu of Hashirama

as proved here:

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In the scan above Madara also give us subtle hints what his Trump card may be and how it will work, so let's check what Madara said to Hashirama: "In that time I will stop Obito and switch with him using your hermit power."

The bolded words, Madara uses word "switch", which gives actually better picture of what Madara is planing to do and how his trump card will work.

Also in the latest chapter Madara is shown trying to pierce Hashirama with black rod as here:

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Ok, now let's try to guess what purpouse of black rod could be in Madara's trump card. Before we do that, let's reminds what purpouses black rods already served:

Nagato and Obito were controlling dead bodies with Black rods impaled in their bodies...aka techniques called six paths.

Madara most likely plan to use Hashirama's body as one of Rinnegan paths, but how it could work on Obito... Madara still would be unable to use Hashirama's hermit powers by himself... and using Hashirama's path could very dangerous and easily backfire... if Hashirama break Rinnengan control over his body... that why I believe there is another way Madara plan to use his Trump card.

Before I elaborate about this another way. First let's explain what the Rinnengan means, Rinnengan means Samsara(Suffering) eye. The keyword here would be Samsara more often known as Samsara life which is cycle of life, death and rebirth in another body, but this is not important actually in this theory. The most important aspect is that Samsara's cycle is based on souls traveling from one body to new ones, but how it could have any connection with Madara's Trump card. Well we know that Rinnengan allows it's user to posses powers beyond life and death:

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, so this couldn't be too farfetched if Rinnengan actually allows soul's of user to leave his/her body and travel to another's body.

This is exactly How I see Madara's trump card to work. First, Madara had to pierce Hashirama with black rod allowing him to take control over Hashirama's body(so his soul won't be rejected) then thanks to Rinnengan ultimate technique Madara will transfer his soul along with all his powers into Hashirama's body taking over this body as his. Now I am not sure what could happen with Hashirama's soul, most likely it could go to Edo Madara's body and then body could adjust to Hashirama's soul(Edo Tensei body take on body according to soul residenting in it), without Sage mode which could be stolen by Rinnengan user aka Madara.

After taking over Hashirama's body, Madara's soul could cause Edo Tensei body to change forms into Edo Madara's body again with Senjutsu powers. Finally Madara could uses Senjutsu powers(maybe Senjutsu enhanced Perfect Sussano) to weaken him and getting opening to pierce him with black rod and then does the same to Obito to take over his body.

Will Madara really need Senjutsu for his trump card to work ?

Most likley not, Madara could use his trump card without Senjutsu powers of Hashirama... however it could takes much more risk as: Madara would be not enough strong to pierce through Obito with black rods, then control him. Also Hashirama or other Senjutsu users could interrupt his Trump's card and make it fail.

For what reasons Madara need Senjtusu for his trump card to work ?

1) to weaken Obito
2) to get opening in which he pierces Obito with black rods
3) to make his control over Obito's stronger
4) to make his transfer of soul faster and more perfect

Also, Madara watching Obito struggling with Senjutsu users in battle may plan to act smart by getting Senjutsu powers before he becomes Ten tails host.

In Other words Madara couldn't be affected by Senjutsu as Obito is, because Madara could counter Senjutsu with Senjtusu.

However, If Obito's soul switches with new Edo Madara's body then I wonder how it could work... Could Edo's body takes shape of Obito's body(but stay as Edo Tensei) or could it revert back to living Obito's body before becoming Ten tails host. Lastly, Ten tails Obito's body could changes into Ten tails Madara's body with Madara's soul within this body.

Of course we don't know even if Madara's trump card will work..., so we have to wait and see

Just imagine if Madara succedd, Ten tails Host Madara enhanced with Senjutsu - freaking boss

Summary:​

• Madara's trump card requires Senjutsu powers, Rinnengan soul transfer technique and black rods
• The black rods are needed to pierce victim, who will be unable to reject soul transfer technique.
• Senjtusu makes Madara's trump card to works smoothly, faster and when he becomes Ten tails Host he would counter Senjutsu with Senjutsu
• Senjutsu is also required to weaken Obito, pierce him and then make control over his body stronger thanks to Senjutsu.
• Madara plan to pierce Hashirama then transfer his soul along with all his powers and Rinnengan into Hashirama's body via soul transfer technique, then Madara will switch with Obito using same method.
• Hashirama's soul will be transfered back into Edo Madara's body which changes shape to Hashirama's body, Obito's soul will be transfered back into new Edo's Madara body, then takes shape of Obito's living body or Edo's Obito body... Madara's soul into Obito's body could makes Obito's body changes into Madara's body fused with Ten tails appearance.
• Rinnegan soul transfer technique could basically improved Orochimaru's Fushi Tensei technique, with Rinnengan actually allowing user to transfer all his/her powers along with himself/herself into new body.

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[LUMOS ULTIMATUM]

Nice manga pic.......

 

[Shinato]

Probably one of the better Theories I've seen in a long time!

 

[Naijakid]

Best theory in a while

 

[valandil988]

Nah, Madara even if he did take over Hashirama's body still couldn't use Sage mode, its a skill not a talent. Do you not think Madara has the chakra for Sage mode? Don't make me laugh, its because Madara never had a chance to learn it, as during life his chakra reserves were not great enough.

I believe its Madara's plan to use the Black rods that are still in Obito's body to channel Hashiram's sage power through the Rinnegan link into Obito. There by using Hashirama's Suppression technique to sever Obito's connection with the God tree and take over the Jutsu for himself. He will "swap" with Obito he won't become a Jin. This however it reliant of Madara OVERPOWERING Hashirama's will....no mean feat.

Your reasoning doesn't make sense, If Madara could transfer via souls why not just transfer to Obito right now? Its not like Madara really TRIED to control Obito with the black rods, he seemed far more intent on TESTING the connection than anything else. Overall it seems to me that Madara is one driven dude, Obito is a fodder compared to him in will and conviction.

 

[Imperius]

I didn't like the idea of Madara becoming the Juubi's Jinchuriki as he does nothing aside from sitting down, I was happy that Obito became Juubi Jinchuriki and boy was I wrong, Obito is making himself look weak and pathetic and not to mention he isn't doing much crap either whilst talking on and on and on the whole time, atleast Madara actually DOES something when he's serious.

 

[aznflyer14]

Well, you are forgetting one thing... If you recalled back then when Nagato tried to control Naruto after impaling him with one of his chakra black rod but Naruto (with being infused with Kurama's chakra and senjustu) was able to overcome Nagato's control despite his rinnegan. And Hashirama did assess Naruto's chakra as it was on a same level as him when being augmented by Kurama's chakra and senjustu. I believe it would be highly unlikely that Hashirama would concede his body to Madara and beside, his will of fire would prevent this, anyway.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Thanks to everyone for your feedback It is very helpfull

 

[NaruSasuRival]

DOes Hashirama even have a body? Do you forget that Madara already has another of Hashirama's body in his ET?

 

[KCMNaruto]

DOes Hashirama even have a body? Do you forget that Madara already has another of Hashirama's body in his ET?

Yeah Edo Hashirama has his body made of dust/ashes for Edo Tensei technique. I know that Madara already has piece of Hashirama(his face on his chest) but only Hashirama's body is able to go Sage mode and has muscles knowledge to do that(learning by body.), so even although Madara has great body as well, he still can't enter Sage mode due to lack of knowledge or training. That why also Madara need to take over Hashirama's body to get his hermit powers.

I hope this clear up and let you understand it's better

 

[altaire uchiha]

"meachinsm of working"? Jesus Christ what the narutobase posters do to the english language should be a crime, somewhere, somehow. Its just not right.

 

[PIOLO]

Hello guys, I just came up with idea what Madara's trump card will be and how it could work, so please read it and enjoy as I will elaborate about my theory.

First, We know from the chapter 647 What Madara's trump card requires to work:

• Black rod
• Senjutsu of Hashirama

as proved here:

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

In the scan above Madara also give us subtle hints what his Trump card may be and how it will work, so let's check what Madara said to Hashirama: "In that time I will stop Obito and switch with him using your hermit power."

The bolded words, Madara uses word "switch", which gives actually better picture of what Madara is planing to do and how his trump card will work.

Also in the latest chapter Madara is shown trying to pierce Hashirama with black rod as here:

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

Ok, now let's try to guess what purpouse of black rod could be in Madara's trump card. Before we do that, let's reminds what purpouses black rods already served:

Nagato and Obito were controlling dead bodies with Black rods impaled in their bodies...aka techniques called six paths.

Madara most likely plan to use Hashirama's body as one of Rinnegan paths, but how it could work on Obito... Madara still would be unable to use Hashirama's hermit powers by himself... and using Hashirama's path could very dangerous and easily backfire... if Hashirama break Rinnengan control over his body... that why I believe there is another way Madara plan to use his Trump card.

Before I elaborate about this another way. First let's explain what the Rinnengan means, Rinnengan means Samsara(Suffering) eye. The keyword here would be Samsara more often known as Samsara life which is cycle of life, death and rebirth in another body, but this is not important actually in this theory. The most important aspect is that Samsara's cycle is based on souls traveling from one body to new ones, but how it could have any connection with Madara's Trump card. Well we know that Rinnengan allows it's user to posses powers beyond life and death:

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

, so this couldn't be too farfetched if Rinnengan actually allows soul's of user to leave his/her body and travel to another's body.

This is exactly How I see Madara's trump card to work. First, Madara had to pierce Hashirama with black rod allowing him to take control over Hashirama's body(so his soul won't be rejected) then thanks to Rinnengan ultimate technique Madara will transfer his soul along with all his powers into Hashirama's body taking over this body as his. Now I am not sure what could happen with Hashirama's soul, most likely it could go to Edo Madara's body and then body could adjust to Hashirama's soul(Edo Tensei body take on body according to soul residenting in it), without Sage mode which could be stolen by Rinnengan user aka Madara.

After taking over Hashirama's body, Madara's soul could cause Edo Tensei body to change forms into Edo Madara's body again with Senjutsu powers. Finally Madara could uses Senjutsu powers(maybe Senjutsu enhanced Perfect Sussano) to weaken him and getting opening to pierce him with black rod and then does the same to Obito to take over his body.

Will Madara really need Senjutsu for his trump card to work ?

Most likley not, Madara could use his trump card without Senjutsu powers of Hashirama... however it could takes much more risk as: Madara would be not enough strong to pierce through Obito with black rods, then control him. Also Hashirama or other Senjutsu users could interrupt his Trump's card and make it fail.

For what reasons Madara need Senjtusu for his trump card to work ?

1) to weaken Obito
2) to get opening in which he pierces Obito with black rods
3) to make his control over Obito's stronger
4) to make his transfer of soul faster and more perfect

Also, Madara watching Obito struggling with Senjutsu users in battle may plan to act smart by getting Senjutsu powers before he becomes Ten tails host.

In Other words Madara couldn't be affected by Senjutsu as Obito is, because Madara could counter Senjutsu with Senjtusu.

However, If Obito's soul switches with new Edo Madara's body then I wonder how it could work... Could Edo's body takes shape of Obito's body(but stay as Edo Tensei) or could it revert back to living Obito's body before becoming Ten tails host. Lastly, Ten tails Obito's body could changes into Ten tails Madara's body with Madara's soul within this body.

Of course we don't know even if Madara's trump card will work..., so we have to wait and see

Just imagine if Madara succedd, Ten tails Host Madara enhanced with Senjutsu - freaking boss

Summary:​

• Madara's trump card requires Senjutsu powers, Rinnengan soul transfer technique and black rods
• The black rods are needed to pierce victim, who will be unable to reject soul transfer technique.
• Senjtusu makes Madara's trump card to works smoothly, faster and when he becomes Ten tails Host he would counter Senjutsu with Senjutsu
• Senjutsu is also required to weaken Obito, pierce him and then make control over his body stronger thanks to Senjutsu.
• Madara plan to pierce Hashirama then transfer his soul along with all his powers and Rinnengan into Hashirama's body via soul transfer technique, then Madara will switch with Obito using same method.
• Hashirama's soul will be transfered back into Edo Madara's body which changes shape to Hashirama's body, Obito's soul will be transfered back into new Edo's Madara body, then takes shape of Obito's living body or Edo's Obito body... Madara's soul into Obito's body could makes Obito's body changes into Madara's body fused with Ten tails appearance.
• Rinnegan soul transfer technique could basically improved Orochimaru's Fushi Tensei technique, with Rinnengan actually allowing user to transfer all his/her powers along with himself/herself into new body.

Thanks for reading !

Please share your thoughts on this topic

this is so simple all what we saw right now is rinnegan of whom? is it came from obito? nagato? itachi?? naruto???????? only madara has only his own eyes, what you see obito's left eye is eye of madara it is so obvious........ and ofcourse madara has a plan for it, nothing more nothing less, obito it is payback time you shall pay to what you theft all to madara..... it is the risk why you wear madara's eye in the first place? it is just right to give it back and face your consequence......MADARA IS YOUR BOSS WHO MADE YOU AND PLAN ALL OF THIS IT IS JUST RIGHT TO GIVE IT BACK YOUR JUST A FAKE, A SHADOW OF MADARA

 

[altaire uchiha]

this is so simple all what we saw right now is rinnegan of whom? is it came from obito? nagato? itachi?? naruto???????? only madara has only his own eyes, what you see obito's left eye is eye of madara it is so obvious........ and ofcourse madara has a plan for it, nothing more nothing less, obito it is payback time you shall pay to what you theft all to madara..... it is the risk why you wear madara's eye in the first place? it is just right to give it back and face your consequence......MADARA IS YOUR BOSS WHO MADE YOU AND PLAN ALL OF THIS IT IS JUST RIGHT TO GIVE IT BACK YOUR JUST A FAKE, A SHADOW OF MADARA

WHAT DOES THIS EVEN MEAN???? Geez if you dont know english why are you trying to post on an english speaking board? This is what I mean who can understand this? If I say "do you to not how of was kept in Madara is getting places of torn" can you read that? Cuz thats what you guys syntax and grammar look like to english speakers.

 

[nite]

i think its gona more less be, using hashi senjutsu + black rod.

stab obito to mess with the flow of the natural energy, obito = turns to stone slowly maybe dies, madara becomes juubi jink.

im missing few steps. but i defo think will come to obito turning slowly to stone as we seen way back in day wen naruto learned sage mode.