Madara's Trump Card And obito!

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If anything, Obito isn't even opposing Naruto. He and Naruto share similar views, they want peace. But Obito takes the wrong actions like Nagato did. He does not meet the criteria for final villain, the Juubi isn't even complete yet.
 

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I could say the same to you, because you try to deny the fact that characters like Madara and Naruto are a part of DESTINY, Obito himself said so. Obito is NOT a part of that DESTINY, and never will be.
what destiny are you talking about? Lol

scans?

and you still didn't answer my question? why is that? :p
 

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Don't change the subject,

answer this, what is madara's conection to naruto?
Obito's connection to Naruto is that he's the dark version of Naruto

Madara is the cause of this darkness and the cause of the Uchiha's infamous reputation, which down the years is what caused Sasuke's downfall


Naruto will ultimately defeat Obito 1v1 because of them being something like two sides of the same coin

whereas Madara will probably be defeated by either Sasuke+Naruto or kage/Naruto/Sasuke/Orochimaru.....he's a villain who vexes everyone, the whole ninja world and not just Naruto
 

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Yeah don't flame me or go cray but

Madara Uchiha is very much relevant and much so a villain probably not at this moment the main but the one who started it all, he was mentione from the start of the show/manga they did a middle of showing them older and with mysterious two other ninja aka sai and Yamato an older Sasuke then
They showed the whole kyubbi and Sasuke and naruto
Kurama specifically told Sasuke he reminded him of madara Uchiha aka foreshadowing the main villain of all of this the would not have had to ever ever mention it but they did why?? Cause he is now the villain of this situation he is the mastermind so we found out and he is using obito
Madara is not retarded he is prideful yeah and is cocky with his powers
But he sure as hell is not stupid enough to reveal everything to obito why cause was admitte he was always a pawn so he doesn't know or we don't know what madara true intentions are and his trump card could be anything I'm not gonna guess he is unpredictable weirdly
But point being he was mentioned in from the star and was mentioned as someone being under a mask him being alive
Him being Tobi leader of the akatsuki but then protrayed as madara a fake his name itself was mentioned through the show

And as for obito he is all juiced up on juubi powers
He hasn't used his eyes like either of them

Neither has madara but what him and madra have in common is the rinnengan
And madara may not be the juubi jinchuruki but sage of six paths stopped juubi by himself with the rinnengan and his ninjutsu hence being the first ninja

Point being madara may know alot of things in Uchiha jutsu and six paths
Rinnengan

Just cause he failed at the rinne Tensei doesn't mean anything obviously to him it was literally sitting crossed legged laughing and smiling oh so big
Just said "oh well that was a failure"

Why was he so cool cause like he said he has something else seems very confident that it will work a last resort thing possibly


Just cause Hashirama there don't mean anything madara has Hashirama in him and rinnengan
He is stronger than HASHRIAMA ; Hashirama. Barely made it out last time tht was with only kyubbi and EMS
Just pouting out the facts
And obito is in control now but

I'm gonna say it

Madara will and hopefully be the main villain it's just the build up for so long on his name
It was madara's plan but obito was the one who made it happen, Madara just came bac kas a zombie and Is riding obito's plan, it was all obito's doing.

Reason madara is one of the main characters we are focusing on is because it is his plan, but it doesn't change the fact that Obito did everything and is the exact opposite of the main character.

Obito = Main character

Madara = hashirama
 

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Obito's connection to Naruto is that he's the dark version of Naruto

Madara is the cause of this darkness and the cause of the Uchiha's infamous reputation, which down the years is what caused Sasuke's downfall


Naruto will ultimately defeat Obito 1v1 because of them being something like two sides of the same coin

whereas Madara will probably be defeated by either Sasuke+Naruto or kage/Naruto/Sasuke/Orochimaru.....he's a villain who vexes everyone, the whole ninja world and not just Naruto
actually the first son of the sage was the one who started the curse of hatred, Sasuke will be the one to finish off Madara.

naruto as the main character is more important to plot which means that Naruto and obito's roles play a greater importance for the entire story.
 

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what destiny are you talking about? Lol

scans?

and you still didn't answer my question? why is that? :p
Unbelievable.

It's the Destiny of the Uchiha and Senju chosen wonders.

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Naruto has a connection with Hashirama. Madara has a connection with Hashirama. Therefore... (I'm sure you can do the math)

Tell me, do you honestly think that Obito is one of the chosen ones?
 
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Unbelievable.

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Naruto has a connection with Hashirama. Madara has a connection with Hashirama. Therefore... (I'm sure you can do that math)
are you serious? lmao

Everyone who believes in the younger son of the sage has the will of fire, even iruka does.

The will of fire vs the curse of hatred will be extinguished between naruto vs sasuke.

naruto representing the will of fire vs sasuke who represents the curse of hatred.

It was forshadowed many times,

But obito's Connection with naruto is far greater than that, Hes a exact parallel of naruto and is the darker Rikudo sennin.

Naruto is the light, Obito is the dark.

madara is only connected to hashirama, All he cares about is hashirama, All he wants is to be a winner, not a loser.

Once madara and hashirama deal with thier problems, Sasuke will be the one to finally eliminate the uchiha curse of hatred that dwells whiten their clan.

Naruto will then fight sasuke to finally end the cycle of hatred and instant peace will happen.

Madara has no connection to naruto any more than he has a connection to iruka who also believes in the will of fire.
 

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actually the first son of the sage was the one who started the curse of hatred, Sasuke will be the one to finish off Madara.

naruto as the main character is more important to plot which means that Naruto and obito's roles play a greater importance for the entire story.
No, the older son's actions did not reflect to future generations; only their will and destiny was left, and that's something uncontrollable.

Madara's deliberate actions affected the Ninja world drastically. Him fighting and rebelling against Hashirama was the ripple that lead to the Uchiha slaughter and the jinchuriki

he created Obito and the second to awaken the rinnegan, bringing about Nagato's misfortune as well.

he was the first one to obtain the EMS, the final stage of the sharingan and the most "evil" in a sense since with each new stage, one falls into more darkness.



The final villain will not be a villain that Naruto will defeat on his own, and here's the reason. Itachi told Naruto to not to shoulder everything on his own, otherwise he'd fail and become like Madara from being to arrogant and egotistic from all the power he gained.

Obito is not arrogant nor egotistic, at least not as much as Madara; and it's been foreshadowed that Naruto will defeat Obito 1v1.

That is why Madara will be defeated by not just Naruto, but by many combining their powers.


Also, another important point is that everyone is currently focusing their attention on defeating Obito and not Madara
 
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are you serious? lmao

Everyone who believes in the younger son of the sage has the will of fire, even iruka does.

The will of fire vs the curse of hatred will be extinguished between naruto vs sasuke.

naruto representing the will of fire vs sasuke who represents the curse of hatred.

It was forshadowed many times,

But obito's Connection with naruto is far greater than that, Hes a exact parallel of naruto and is the darker Rikudo sennin.

Naruto is the light, Obito is the dark.

madara is only connected to hashirama, All he cares about is hashirama, All he wants is to be a winner, not a loser.

Once madara and hashirama deal with thier problems, Sasuke will be the one to finally eliminate the uchiha curse of hatred that dwells whiten their clan.

Naruto will then fight sasuke to finally end the cycle of hatred and instant peace will happen.

Madara has no connection to naruto any more than he has a connection to iruka who also believes in the will of fire.
I don't need to post a highly detailed rebuttal about your non detail orientated mind because at the end of your post, not only did you contradict your opening post, but you admit that Naruto and Obito will not be the final fight. Sasuke and Naruto are fated, not Obito and Naruto. Naruto has a connection with Hashirama, who in the latter has a connection with Madara. Obito's connections with Naruto have been going on for 16 years. The cursed destiny has been going on since Rikudo's death. So which connection is stronger? A 16 year connection or a generational destiny?

I rest my case.
 
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I don't need to post a detailed rebuttal about your non detail orientation because at the end of your post, not only did you contradict your opening post, but you admit that Naruto and Obito will not be the final fight.

Sasuke is not a villain anymore.

Sasuke vs naruto's fight will be to finally end the curse of hatred, sasuke killing madara would mean the curse of hatred that effected the past generations would be extinguished,

but who says sasuke wont go crazy again later? Thats where naruto comes into play and ultimatly extinguish the hatred inside sasuke and bring fourth peace.
 

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Sorry, I edited my post.

Sasuke and Naruto are fated, not Obito and Naruto. Naruto has a connection with Hashirama, who in the latter has a connection with Madara. Obito's connections with Naruto have been going on for 16 years. The cursed destiny has been going on since Rikudo's death. So which connection is stronger? A 16 year connection or a generational destiny?
 

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Madara IS relevant to the story, but not as much as Obito.

He proved to EVERYONE that he wasn't Madara's pawn like Nagato was, and he fooled Madara himself by absorbing the juubi. So, I don't know why and how people still think that Obito is Madara's pawn. Second of all, Obito IS responsible for everything that has happened, NOT Madara. He simply said this to Obito "Go and do the Moon's Eye Plan under the disguise of me; Madara Uchiha." HE NEVER said, "Hey go kill naruto for the nine tails so we can do this thing and start an s rank organization."

Obito did all of those steps himself. That was all HIM. And he could've simply said "No, Madara. **** you I wanna go back to the Hidden Leaf." And Madara would let him. Obito IS the character that has impacted almost everyone in NV.

Madara isn't responsible for that, and there's no denying that either.
 

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=DNice theory=D...


But i dont know madara seem to be very calm about his trump card. He made it seem like he was going help the kage when said "As much as its fun to see the hokage shrinking back, and thinking to himself " Obito became like the hermit of the six paths he might anticipate before i can use my trump card. that can mean two things he work with the kages/against obito or help obito. i do think it was the older son who gave birth to cursed of hate not madara.


I dont think everything was madara plan. madara plan eye moon plan was put everyone in genjutsu be revive by nagato and collect the tail beasts. Obito had nine tails but order it to attack the village instead of leaving and collecting the beast. Obito had years to complete the eye moon plan but did not. Obito wanted revenge for Rin. I really dont think killing madara going end hatred it seem be caused by pain or losing someone. Only way i see the hatred will stop is the the 5 village become united and no wars

But knowing Kishi he gonna do something.

Have good night or good morning or afternoon xd
 
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