Madara's realism vs. Naruto's idealism

[salamander uchiha]

Stupid.

Madara wants to destroy the world and people on here actually think his way is better than Naruto's, when all Naruto wants to do is live peacefully with everyone.

No, Madara's way is the cowards way out life.




That's an idiotic statement Punk. They would all be dead and gone if it weren't for Naruto.

And naruto'd be dead if Itachi didnt save him from nagato. So the uchiha have saved and unified the world. ***** slapping the sage of 6 paths for selecting the younger son. Fodderuto's way is for dreamers and heck he doesnt even beleive it hisslef he always doubts hisself and needs external help.

 

[DeDoll]

Itachi: "Everyone live in their own illusion"
Itachi: "Here is no good or bad only ways you chosen"

Itachi is the key to the peace...

 

[-Punk-]

Stupid.

Madara wants to destroy the world and people on here actually think his way is better than Naruto's, when all Naruto wants to do is live peacefully with everyone.

No, Madara's way is the cowards way out life.




That's an idiotic statement Punk. They would all be dead and gone if it weren't for Naruto.

If you want to go that road then Naruto would have die back in the Pein arc if it wasn't for Minato & Hinata + this is not about who saved who .

 

[Kronnic]

Dude,you expect an answer for something such as world peace from a 16 years old kid.
Heck,Madara who lived 100 years and got resurrected,the best answer he found was to put the whole world in a genjutsu,cant get more retarded than that.

This ^^^^^^
So far Naruto have already accomplished more towards peace than anyone before him...

 

[The Sach]

Also, why did you not post the very panel nex to the one you posted.. where Tobirama spits in Madara's face and disagrees with him?

Tobirama spit on Madara's face because he doesn't agree with Madara controlling everything.I am talking about his 'ideology' that love and hatred co-exist.

Manga Fact Pain and Madara ideals beat naruto's ideals

also he didnt spit in his face he tried but susanoo stopped the spit

Because both of them came up with a way to turn their so called 'dream of peace' into reality, Naruto is still nowhere near the answer. Naruto is still saying the same thing after the fact that many guys from SA got killed in world war, he is still sticking to the dream which isn't realisable.

Madara realism > Naruto no matter how you look at it , he is not wrong about what he is saying , the guys has knowledge , something Naruto hasn't , the only problem with Madara is that he is trying to force people & wants to control/force them into his beliefs , but is the same shit Naruto is doing with shoving his sad speeches to everyone's throat , if you think about it , Naruto is casting his own genjutsu to people too .

There no such thing as peace in the Narutoverse , it's a cycle that will keep repeating over & over , Sauske is not wrong either , the system needs to be change , Naruto has to realize a lot of things & learn more from the world itself & not his own bubble .

+ this war already united countries & Naruto had nothing to do with it .

Actually Punk said the same thing I wanted to say. Naruto should understand that if love is part of human life hatred is part of human life too.

How can Madara and realism be used in the same sentence? That guy wants people to forget the reality and turn to illusion. Much like a turns to to drugs to 'face' his problems ..... Get real. If Madara's realism be true then the best way to bring peace in our world is by forcing every human to take something that would get them permanently high.

That comparison is rather far fetched one. Madara never said that he will take away their dreams in fact Obito said I will make Naruto hokage in the Infinite Tsukuyomi world. The only problem here is Madara ruling that world, if remove that it looks a feasible solution(in NV's case that is), rather than entire SA(people who killed each other's ancestors) joining their hands.If that happens, there will be one more Madara, and again there will be next world war. And hence Naruto need to come up with more practical answer.

 

[~Sky~]

And naruto'd be dead if Itachi didnt save him from nagato. So the uchiha have saved and unified the world. ***** slapping the sage of 6 paths for selecting the younger son. Fodderuto's way is for dreamers and heck he doesnt even beleive it hisslef he always doubts hisself and needs external help.

Sure bro. When any other character donates chakra to an entire alliance + saves them multiple times call me.

If you want to go that road then Naruto would have die back in the Pein arc if it wasn't for Minato & Hinata + this is not about who saved who .

You said Naruto had nothing to do with uniting the nations, which is far from true. Their wouldn't have been a leaf village if not for Naruto's contributions. Gaara would not have become Kazekage and attended the summit if not for Naruto. Naruto was a major part of the decision making process because he was, at the time, the only surviving Jinchuriki, because they all thought Bee was dead.

IN FACT, the entire war would not have been waged if not for Naruto evading capture multiple times.

The entire alliance was established to protect Naruto, that's a fact.

Regardless, he's their clear-cut leader at this point and he saved them so many times. He was the one who inspired everyone to keep fighting against the Shinju.

I don't get why I have to go so in-depth about his involvement in these events, anyone who's not blinded by Naruto hate would know how critical he was.