Madara's immortality

[oxtopus]

That's the dumbest thing I've read in a while.

I hope you remember that Obito was the one who put the Shinjuu there in the first place.

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So if you believe the Shinjuu makes you immortal, then Obito was immortal. If not, then nobody is.

Obito wasn't immortal because he never absorbed the shinju,he only released the shinju as a part of the juubi within him while madara fused with the tree becoming one with it & kaguya. Stay butthurt.

 

[Joon]

Are you ****ing serious right now? Obito created it.

You're seriously trying to tell me Obito created matter out of nothing? That he was able to expel the Shinjuu from within him without actually having the Shinjuu within him?

Kaguya and the Juubi are one and the same. Madara is not the Juubi, and will never be.

To think I actually respected you before now. I'm out of here. This is too much for 3:30 am.

This scan supports my claim that Madara absorbed it. :|

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[muhalakau]

1)Nothing there's a hyperbole

2) Read:

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What are you even referring to? [/FONT][/INDENT]

Yep, so essentially means the 'basic' definition of immortality or the essence of the word, not the literal meaning of the word.

Vaporizing Madara won't kill him when he's hosting the physical essence and power of the immortal Shinju within his Nature; he'll just Regenerate.

based on what? Do you have a scan of madara doing so? What will he regenerate from? Immortal, undefeatable, unbeatable, absolute, have been thrown around throughout the entire manga, they are all hyperbole, even edo tenseis were stated to be unkillable, yet they get killed. If Madara's body and chakra are erased, then what does he regenerate from and what powers the regeneration?

ans: nothing.

 

[Joon]

Yep, so essentially means the 'basic' definition of immortality or the essence of the word, not the literal meaning of the word.


based on what? Do you have a scan of madara doing so? What will he regenerate from? Immortal, undefeatable, unbeatable, absolute, have been thrown around throughout the entire manga, they are all hyperbole, even edo tenseis were stated to be unkillable, yet they get killed. If Madara's body and chakra are erased, then what does he regenerate from and what powers the regeneration?

ans: nothing.

Edo Tensei were not killed. :/ They were sealed.

 

[muhalakau]

Edo Tensei were not killed. :/ They were sealed.

tobirama stated that juubi jinchuriki obito had the power to kill edo tenseis....

 

[Wparker6804]

He still would have aged & died like Hagoromo. Heck he was actually less powerful than Juubijin Hagoromo and he aged & died (hence his need for dividing the Juubi)

 

[Joon]

tobirama stated that juubi jinchuriki Obito had the power to kill edo tenseis....

Yeah, because of Yin-Yang applied Jutsu (e.i Truth-Seeking Ball) can neutralize Ninjutsu, which Edo Tensei is.

 

[-immortal-]

He was because he absorbed the shinju.
Besides the useless debate here with tired necromancer.

Naruto and sasuke didn't try to seal hij with yin&yang only did they.

 

[muhalakau]

Yeah, because of Yin-Yang applied Jutsu (e.i Truth-Seeking Ball) can neutralize Ninjutsu, which Edo Tensei is.

right, so don't you think that means my point stands: that edo tensei is an example of something that was called immortal, yet isn't under all circumstances?

 

[Joon]

right, so don't you think that means my point stands: that edo tensei is an example of something that was called immortal, yet isn't under all circumstances?

We can agree to disagree.

 

[muhalakau]

We can agree to disagree.

I'm having trouble understanding why you don't agree.

 

[Uchihakil]

Yea either kaguya or madara can regenerate out of nothingness, why? Because the bijuus can, they can reform even if destroyed to nothing, heck juubito and juudara regenerated half their bodies without said immortality, so madara and kaguya with immortality can surely regenerate out of nothingness

 

[Uchihakil]

He still would have aged & died like Hagoromo. Heck he was actually less powerful than Juubijin Hagoromo and he aged & died (hence his need for dividing the Juubi)

Yea that just means hags did'nt absorb the shinjuu tree like madara did that's why he does'nt have the rinne sharingan, and that's why, hagoromo himself said that madara is becoming closer to his mom in power

 

[Waltz]

Yep, so essentially means the 'basic' definition of immortality or the essence of the word, not the literal meaning of the word.

Another failed attempt at being witty. The basic definition of immortality is the same as it's essential definition because the fundamental of wielding immortality and obtaining eternity is being able to live forever for all times. ​

based on what? Do you have a scan of madara doing so? What will he regenerate from? Immortal, undefeatable, unbeatable, absolute, have been thrown around throughout the entire manga, they are all hyperbole, even edo tenseis were stated to be unkillable, yet they get killed. If Madara's body and chakra are erased, then what does he regenerate from and what powers the regeneration?

ans: nothing.

Based on the fact that he was immortal and Waltz does not need to provide a scan of an actual feat because the Manga already explained his state as being immortal and the fact that due to his new acquired nature his body now wields the ability to regenerate from anything.

@Bold: Madara being vaporized simply means his physical body being reduced and converted to steam; the properties of the Shinju would reverse the process to coagulation and Madra would regenerate. The only true immortal in the Manga that can be eradicated by vaporization is Hidan and this is not because he is mortal but because he does not have the ability to regenerate. ​

He still would have aged & died like Hagoromo. Heck he was actually less powerful than Juubijin Hagoromo and he aged & died (hence his need for dividing the Juubi)

No. The entire thing about the Sage being on his death bed was a lie and was probably apart of the material Black Zetsu edited on the Naka Shrine. Obito stated that while Hagoromo was on his death bed and about to die; he magically had two sons, separated the Juubi's power into the Biju and sealed it's body int the moon. All false. Even after removing the Juubi's Chakra from his body he was still alive (longevity) :

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And was only ever claimed to have died in that state: Not being a host. ​

 

[muhalakau]

Another failed attempt at being witty. The basic definition of immortality is the same as it's essential definition because the fundamental of wielding immortality and obtaining eternity is being able to live forever for all times. ​

exactly, it's a battle against time and age, not circumstances.

Based on the fact that he was immortal and Waltz does not need to provide a scan of an actual feat because the Manga already explained his state as being immortal and the fact that due to his new acquired nature his body now wields the ability to regenerate from anything. ​

So that means you must believe every statement in the manga is true.

@Bold: Madara being vaporized simply means his physical body being reduced and converted to steam; the properties of the Shinju would reverse the process to coagulation and Madra would regenerate. The only true immortal in the Manga that can be eradicated by vaporization is Hidan and this is not because he is mortal but because he does not have the ability to regenerate.

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If Madara's body is completely vaporized, and his body contains the shinjuu, then the shinjuu is also completely vaporized and therefore its properties can't help madara regenerate since it no longer exists.

 

[Uchihakil]

exactly, it's a battle against time and age, not circumstances.




So that means you must believe every statement in the manga is true.

@Bold: Madara being vaporized simply means his physical body being reduced and converted to steam; the properties of the Shinju would reverse the process to coagulation and Madra would regenerate. The only true immortal in the Manga that can be eradicated by vaporization is Hidan and this is not because he is mortal but because he does not have the ability to regenerate. [/FONT][/INDENT]
If Madara's body is completely vaporized, and his body contains the shinjuu, then the shinjuu is also completely vaporized and therefore its properties can't help madara regenerate since it no longer exists.

Just like how the bijuus can reform, either madara or kaguya can also reform