Madara will NEVER be on the Sage's level.

[NarutoSageUzumaki]

Creating celestial bodies is a level of God. If he was truly so powerful, he wouldn't have died of old age. Pick up any story, any mythology; creation is synonymous with god hood. The manga doesn't need to illustrate it, because it is common sense.

Why is the Juubi in that statement in the first place? Why couldn't he create a moon without sealing or unsealing the Juubi? If Juubi was not a factor in moon's creation, then the statement would have been made without any implications to Juubi. Look at how only Yang chakra was sealed within Naruto. It means that meddling with tailed beasts chakra is possible, not an impossible.

You have no proof to back your claim that Hashirama or Madara (EMS + Rinnegan) are far below sage in his base form, as there is no proof in the manga to suggest it. All we know is that he was a sage, he split the ten tails and created moon. Now look at Madara. He wanted to be reborn with his non-edo form. Do you think he is stupid that he would want to take on the 10 tails and seal it within him if he was not sure about his own power? He had been planning this for decades and he missed this important detail? Oh snap, I am weaker than Juubi. What i was I thinking. Back to the drawing board Obito.

Come on...

i dont get it . while everyone agrees you just tend to disagree - whatever , your opinion



i think if anyone it will be Naruto .......


Sasuke - will obtain the eyes , but - i do not see him getting on the same level as the sage


but Naruto , it is just obvious - he is the Child of prophecy

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he is the only jinchuuriki who's chakra reacts this way when merged with it's Bijuu

 

[~Puppet Master~]

When he becomes the Juubi host, he will.

 

[Byakuya K]

idk because madara said he had just unlocked his rinnegan before his death so idk about his mastery.

 

[shelke]

i dont get it . while everyone agrees you just tend to disagree - whatever , your opinion



i think if anyone it will be Naruto .......


Sasuke - will obtain the eyes , but - i do not see him getting on the same level as the sage


but Naruto , it is just obvious - he is the Child of prophecy

Again, why do you care what I think? Post your opinions and get on with your life.

 

[NarutoSageUzumaki]

Again, why do you care what I think? Post your opinions and get on with your life.

do whatever the hell you want ..... it is pointless wasting time

 

[natssuu]

Sage was a mere human without the Juubi, people shouldn't forget that.

 

[shelke]

Sage was a mere human without the Juubi, people shouldn't forget that.

Pretty much this.

 

[Sephy100]

But he's not trying to be. And anyone saying that Naruto will be the closest is smoking crack. When Naruto can create jutsu from nothing then we can talk.

 

[KidGamer65]

Creating celestial bodies is a level of God. If he was truly so powerful, he wouldn't have died of old age. Pick up any story, any mythology; creation is synonymous with god hood. The manga doesn't need to illustrate it, because it is common sense.

Since when did you being ultra powerful mean that you were immortal?

Why is the Juubi in that statement in the first place? Why couldn't he create a moon without sealing or unsealing the Juubi? If Juubi was not a factor in moon's creation, then the statement would have been made without any implications to Juubi. Look at how only Yang chakra was sealed within Naruto. It means that meddling with tailed beasts chakra is possible, not an impossible.

The statement only referred to Juubi by saying he sealed it's body inside the moon, so I don't what implication you are talking about. There is no reason to believe he created the moon with Juubi's power even though it clearly states that he did it after removing the beast from his body.

You have no proof to back your claim that Hashirama or Madara (EMS + Rinnegan) are far below sage in his base form, as there is no proof in the manga to suggest it. All we know is that he was a sage, he split the ten tails and created moon. Now look at Madara. He wanted to be reborn with his non-edo form. Do you think he is stupid that he would want to take on the 10 tails and seal it within him if he was not sure about his own power? He had been planning this for decades and he missed this important detail? Oh snap, I am weaker than Juubi. What i was I thinking. Back to the drawing board Obito.

Come on...

Are you serious? It should be common sense they are far below him, when Madara in his old age can create moons then we can seriously compare them.

Since when do you have to be stronger than a Bijuu to seal it?

Minato sealed Kyuubi, Mito sealed Kyuubi..etc.

He said he will seal it..not beat it in combat.

 

[shelke]

Since when did you being ultra powerful mean that you were immortal?

I don't think you have read many godhood mythos then. A god is aligned with eternal life and immortality. The fact that he died a man, means that he was no god. This should be proof enough. His mortality was his humanity's proof.

The statement only referred to Juubi by saying he sealed it's body inside the moon, so I don't what implication you are talking about. There is no reason to believe he created the moon with Juubi's power even though it clearly states that he did it after removing the beast from his body.

That is my point. Why is the Juubi in that statement? This is not how story writing works. Kishi has left Juubi in the equation for a reason. Let's wait and see.

Are you serious? It should be common sense they are far below him, when Madara in his old age can create moons then we can seriously compare them.

Since when do you have to be stronger than a Bijuu to seal it?

Minato sealed Kyuubi, Mito sealed Kyuubi..etc.

He said he will seal it..not beat it in combat.

I never once said Madara (EMS + Rinnegan) > SO6P or Juubi. I said he is not far below his level as you make it sound like. Two very different things. And read my above point for the moon reference along with the mythos point.

 

[KidGamer65]

I don't think you have read many godhood mythos then. A god is aligned with eternal life and immortality. The fact that he died a man, means that he was no god. This should be proof enough. His mortality was his humanity's proof.

By this logic he never would have been a god since even with the Juubi (when he was supposed to be a god) he aged and was about to die.

So you can't say creating the moon is a God's feat since by your logic he never was a god since he died a man.

That is my point. Why is the Juubi in that statement? This is not how story writing works. Kishi has left Juubi in the equation for a reason. Let's wait and see.

The Juubi was in that statement because of course the Juubi is going to be mentioned when the Sage creates the moon since he sealed its body in there.

I never once said Madara (EMS + Rinnegan) > SO6P or Juubi. I said he is not far below his level as you make it sound like. Two very different things. And read my above point for the moon reference along with the mythos point.

I never said that you said that he was stronger than the Sage, but you did say he was stronger than Juubi, all I said was that he was far above them and provided an example why.

I quote from you: "Oh snap, I am weaker than Juubi. What i was I thinking. Back to the drawing board Obito."

 

[shelke]

By this logic he never would have been a god since even with the Juubi (when he was supposed to be a god) he aged and was about to die.

So you can't say creating the moon is a God's feat since by your logic he never was a god since he died a man.

Because he acquired a godly power; Juubi. But he unsealed it. Meaning, he reduced himself to mortality again.

The Juubi was in that statement because of course the Juubi is going to be mentioned when the Sage creates the moon since he sealed its body in there.

Wait for the manga to unfold. Juubi is there for a reason. I am positive he consumed its Chakra, and then unsealed it, created the moon, and split the beast.

I never said that you said that he was stronger than the Sage, but you did say he was stronger than Juubi, all I said was that he was far above them and provided an example why.

I quote from you: "Oh snap, I am weaker than Juubi. What i was I thinking. Back to the drawing board Obito."

Stronger to subdue it. I have been talking about weakening or subduing it from the start, not raw Juubi power. My statement in this regard still holds; Madara (EMS + Rinneggan) > Juubi. And that was a joke part man. Come on. :/

 

[KidGamer65]

Because he acquired a godly power; Juubi. But he unsealed it. Meaning, he reduced himself to mortality again.

He was about to die of old age...that's the whole reason he unsealed Juubi in the first place.

Wait for the manga to unfold. Juubi is there for a reason. I am positive he consumed its Chakra, and then unsealed it, created the moon, and split the beast.

Yeah I guess we just have to wait and see then..

Stronger to subdue it. I have been talking about weakening or subduing it from the start, not raw Juubi power. My statement in this regard still holds; Madara (EMS + Rinneggan) > Juubi. And that was a joke part man. Come on. :/

Oh...my bad.

As for the joke part...I thought it was a funny way to illustrate your view on the matter.

Again...my bad.

 

[shelke]

He was about to die of old age...that's the whole reason he unsealed Juubi in the first place.

Which makes my original point valid, that he was only human, not a god. Old age is synonyms with mortality. Godhood with immortality.

No problem on the rest. I am really interested to see what Madara has up his sleeve for Juubi. If only we can fast forward Obito's chapters. lol

 

[KidGamer65]

Which makes my original point valid, that he was only human, not a god. Old age is synonyms with mortality. Godhood with immortality.

No problem on the rest. I am really interested to see what Madara has up his sleeve for Juubi. If only we can fast forward Obito's chapters. lol

But you said that creating celestial bodies is something only a god can do, since he was called a god with Juubi, but he would have died of old age whether he had Juubi or not.

I know, I can't believe i'm saying this but i'm kinda tired of seeing Obito's flashbacks..I just want to go back to the present.

 

[shelke]

Yes, it's time for Obito's flash backs to end already. I want to see Madara in action.