Madara vs Sasuke & Itachi

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Absurdity: Limitations are questionable..
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Itachi and Sasuke.. Madara is restricted to very few techniques. First, Mokuton: Kajukai Kōrin which either Itachi can utilize his Susano'o to absorb [unlikely] or Sasuke will employ Enton: Kagustuchi to "burn" prior to it taking effect on Itachi/Sasuke. Itachi possess the potential to utilize his Amaterasu to ignite the Kajukai Kōrin, however, Itachi shall conserve his chakura.

Mokuton: Jukai Kōtan... Again, Enton Kagustuchi will burn away any material that Madara can throw at him. Subsequent to such, Sasuke could potentially prepare for Kirin.. Mokuton, having the basis being "Wood" shall be ignited simply due to its unique moisturized qualities releasing quite a bit of heat for Kirin.

Next problem, Katon: Ryūen Hōka no Jutsu. The Jūbi-Sized Katon, can easily overwhelm the average Uchiha. Unfortunately for Madara Uchiha, they shall easily respond by utilizing their respective Susano'o or using Amaterasu to counter/equate the power of Madara's Ryūen Hōka no Jutsu.

All this shall be occurring while Madara is sitting in his own respective Susano'o; Sasuke's shall be coated with Enton as shall Itachi's which will not generate its Spiritual Weapons, yet. This restricts Madara from attacking the two Susano'o while Sasuke prepares for a Kirin which shall shatter through Madara and cause him to "fly apart". Itachi shall simply seal him via Tsurugi no Totsuka.

Question
-Can Gunbai counter Enton Kagutsuchi/Amaterasu?
-Can utilizing Gunbai Fan's "fanning" power, push away large objects such as Itachi/Sasuke's Susano'o?
-Can Gunbai deflect Kirin? [It reflected bijūdama]
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Restriction are quite unreasonable.
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[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Sasuke and Itachi win this. Itachi doesn't need to pull out his Mirror yata and Sword Totsuka Susano'o. He can be housed inside Sasuke's final Susano'o. Sasuke can summon Aoba and sit on top as well. The summon can attack Madara as well. Sasuke can use Enton Sword to damage Susano'o and Itachi can engulf the whole field with Amaterasu which can be spread with the sweep of his gaze. If he uses Flower Tree world then it'll only prep Kirin that much faster.

Itachi's V4 Susano'o was obliterated with Kirin and it burned his skin as well. Madara's form would get damaged as well. Then Sasuke can Itachi can attack simultaneously. Sasuke can use Enton arrows and Itachi can create his own V3 Susano'o to bombard Madara with Yasaka Magatama. All of Madara's attacks will be tanked by both Susano'os' or they will surely be able to sustain enough damage to last in a fight. By this time, Kirin can be used again, along with the additional attacks to create a gap in Susano'o. Once that happens, Itachi can easily pull out V4 and seal him.

That was V2, not V4 [

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]. Madara tanks Kirin comfortably, along with the Magatama's, which can be stalemated with Madara's own Magatama's [

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] or they can be deflected with sword swipes [

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On the fence with the match up, but I'd favour Madara; since I don't see how either can hurt either party, I'd say Madara outlasts them.

 

[KidGamer65]

That was V2, not V4 [

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]. Madara tanks Kirin comfortably, along with the Magatama's, which can be stalemated with Madara's own Magatama's [

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] or they can be deflected with sword swipes [

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].

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On the fence with the match up, but I'd favour Madara; since I don't see how either can hurt either party, I'd say Madara outlasts them.

V3 (What Madara is restricted to) isn't going to comfortably tank Kirin, not when Kirin completely obliterated V2, a level below it, and damaged Itachi as well. Especially since Danzo's Baku Enhanced Fuuton did some damage to it, so Kirin should do more, but it definitely won't destroy it.

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

V3 (What Madara is restricted to) isn't going to comfortably tank Kirin, not when Kirin completely obliterated V2, a level below it, and damaged Itachi as well. Especially since Danzo's Baku Enhanced Fuuton did some damage to it, so Kirin should do more, but it definitely won't destroy it.

Yeah, I guess you're right.

 

[shelke]

That was V2, not V4 [1]. Madara tanks Kirin comfortably, along with the Magatama's, which can be stalemated with Madara's own Magatama's [2] or they can be deflected with sword swipes [3].

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On the fence with the match up, but I'd favour Madara; since I don't see how either can hurt either party, I'd say Madara outlasts them.

Whether people agree with me or not, I don't know. But, it was definitely V4. Why? Look at the way Susano'o is reconstructing back to its former state. You can see a Complete Susano'o face with Mirror Yata, which is impossible as Itachi has brought it out several times as an Edo and whether in Four Armed forming Complete Form, Yasaka Magatama Complete form, these Spiritual Weapons are completely missing.

This can be further proven by the fact that Itachi had to bring out V4 to seal Nagato. It he could wield them with V3, he could have done so in lieu of upping to Final Susano'o. He definitely blocked it with V4, given by these factors. Also, he cannot deflect attacks from both parties. If Sasuke uses Magatama as well, then how many would he deflect? Not many.

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Whether people agree with me or not, I don't know. But, it was definitely V4. Why? Look at the way Susano'o is reconstructing back to its former state. You can see a Complete Susano'o face with Mirror Yata, which is impossible as Itachi has brought it out several times as an Edo and whether in Four Armed forming Complete Form, Yasaka Magatama Complete form, these Spiritual Weapons are completely missing.

This can be further proven by the fact that Itachi had to bring out V4 to seal Nagato. It he could wield them with V3, he could have done so in lieu of upping to Final Susano'o. He definitely blocked it with V4, given by these factors. Also, he cannot deflect attacks from both parties. If Sasuke uses Magatama as well, then how many would he deflect? Not many.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by the bold. All I see is Itachi going from V2 to final Susano'o.

What stage he used to seal Nagato doesn't really matter. People can transform into whatever stage of Susano'o at any time, instantly. It isn't like Itachi was short of chakra, being an Edo is testament to that.

Well, Madara's Susano'o wields two swords. If he were to use them defensively to parry oncoming Magatama's, he should get most of them; his swords are larger than any projectile, and if they're coming straight for Susano'o anyway then he should be able to deflect the majority.

 

[shelke]

@SasoriOfTheRedSand This Susano'o form is irrelevant, as it was broken through, which resulted in Itachi's cloak getting burned.

That is not even my point. My point is when spirit weapons appear. They only appear with V4 Susano'o, which means they cannot be wielded at lower forms. Itachi upped his form as he needed to seal Nagato when he was already using V3.

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- Look at the visible black outline of a higher Susano'o form. It's a small image, but it's still visible.

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- Yata Mirror with a V3 Susano'o. Here is that same Mirror with V4 -

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. This proves that the Susano'o recovered gradually to its former state.

Magatamas are not that slow that a Susano'o will parry them given its large size. Itachi was able to use them effectively use them against Kabuto and entrap him which resulted in Sasuke's arrow pinning his tail; something he couldn't manage before. They are larger, but Sasuke can create a lot of projectiles and Sasuke and Itachi can attack them from two opposite ends as well, by using the summon.

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

@SasoriOfTheRedSand This Susano'o form is irrelevant, as it was broken through, which resulted in Itachi's cloak getting burned.

That is not even my point. My point is when spirit weapons appear. They only appear with V4 Susano'o, which means they cannot be wielded at lower forms. Itachi upped his form as he needed to seal Nagato when he was already using V3.

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- Look at the visible black outline of a higher Susano'o form. It's a small image, but it's still visible.

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- Yata Mirror with a V3 Susano'o. Here is that same Mirror with V4 -

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. This proves that the Susano'o recovered gradually to its former state.

Magatamas are not that slow that a Susano'o will parry them given its large size. Itachi was able to use them effectively use them against Kabuto and entrap him which resulted in Sasuke's arrow pinning his tail; something he couldn't manage before. They are larger, but Sasuke can create a lot of projectiles and Sasuke and Itachi can attack them from two opposite ends as well, by using the summon.

Susano'o isn't "reconstructing" back to it's former state. He is simply going from

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, to

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, all happening in the space of 3 scans.. The only reason Yata was starting to appear was because Itachi can wield Yata in V3. Look at

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; Itachi is wielding Yata in V3 after his V4 devolved due to Itachi's illness [

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]. This not only explains Yata appearing with V3, but it disregards your proposition completely tbh. He also went from V3 to V4 within the space of one scan, showing that his Susano'o was merely evolving; again, all that was happening was Susano'o evolving.

Also, if Yata appearing in V3 is a testament to Itachi previously having V4 as you say it is, wouldn't that mean Kirin busted through Yata? This is a notion I find laughable. Kishi isn't so retarded as to claim it renders all attacks useless in the Databook [

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] only to notice Sasuke busted through. Especially since this Databook entry was written after Itachi vs Sasuke. Meaning, it couldn't have happened.

So by collapsing the ceiling that makes Magatams too fast for Susano'o to react to? These guys were fighting in a cave, where there is limited space and the distance is short. Sure it's large, but using swords as a shield doesn't exactly mean you have to be some speedster. Arrows is a different case, which is effortlessly tanked. Arrows hold no role in getting past Susano'o, seriously. That'd be like trying to stab through it with a hot knife. It wouldn't do shit.

And what's there answer to flower tree world? They have no Canon knowledge on the technique, meaning they wouldn't know it's able to knock them out. The Gokage, who had knowledge on the tech, and were able to fly, were caught by this technique, so where do Itachi and Sasuke stand here? FTW creates an opening and Madara finishes them off.

 

[Minator93]

Edo Madara low-med Diff U_U

 

[shelke]

@SasoriofTheRedSand

It IS reconstructing. Especially in this image you posted -

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. See the beak/long nose of the Final Susano'o silhouette on it? Then in the next image, you can see Mirror Yata -

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. The one you posted. It's obvious that Itachi cannot equip both of these artifacts without pulling out a Level 4 Susano'o. And THAT Silhouette is visible as a solid black line in the image I posted. What does that tell you?

In fact, the guy brought out two complete forms in his fight with Kabuto and then alongside two Jinchurikis' In all three Complete Susano'o forms - Forming with four arms and with Yasaka Magatama - there is no Yata Mirror or Sword Totsuka. In fact, Itachi brought out V4 or Final Susano'o to stab through Edo Nagato and use it. IF he could equip it with V3, there was no need to bring out the level 4 form. V4 also would have made battle with Kabuto easy.

Kirin itself in not an attack, but natural lightening. There is no way in the darkest pits of hell that databook statement is even applicable. How is Mirror Yata - that alters the property of an attack - supposed to do so with ACTUAL electrical discharge? You must be joking. V4 is not blocking it, because it isn't an attack.

Show me a scan with Madara's Final Susano'o blocking any high speed attack and you have an argument. Don't give me that Wood Dragon image either. That was hardly fast. A lot of projectiles blocking with swords is outlandish and impossible. Sure, he may even get half of them but the remaining half still go through. And I am being generous with the half here.

What about the Flower Tree? Mei's acid Mist couldn't get past Susano'o and only managed to burn his arms when he tried to climb to a higher tier and lost a ton of chakra. Both Mei and Karin confirm that. Heck, even Zetsu would enter Susano'o by the point, it was that weak. A person is never knocked out instantly as there is always dizziness that precedes it. And besides, they will have to pull out their Susano'os against a Susano'o anyway. It wouldn't make much difference whether they know about it or not.