Madara vs Sasuke and Kakashi

[Holy God]

Madara wins both scenarios. PS and Limbo obliterate Kakashi and Sasuke.

Madara's Susanoo is a good ways above Sasuke's, and Sasuke's is stronger than Kakashi's. Limbo counters Kamui. Adding BSM Naruto and Gai doesn't help since they can't bust Susanoo even when together. Evening Elephant would take multiple hits just to damage Madara's regular PS let alone one enhanced by Rikudo Senjutsu, and he can't see Limbo, which could hurt since Madara will be protected from his attacks here. Kakashi and Sasuke can't harm him. PS Chidori might do something, but if it does it'll be so insignificant that it was a waste. Sasuke can take regular sized Bijuu Dama from RSM Naruto, who is stronger than The Last BSM Naruto. So if he wants to scratch PS, he's going to need to supercharge his Bijuu Dama, something Madara won't let him do considering Limbo can slap him around like it did in canon. Despite Naruto being enhanced, this is JJ Madara's Limbo. Last time it was only SM Madara's Limbo, and there was only one. Or he can just counter by attacking with PS, but Limbo is better since he can stop him and take care of the others.

And there's more. Madara wins. Mid diff. Maybe mid-high in S2.

I swear I can remember you believing that both Naruto and Sasuke were above Madara.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

I would go with madara high diff

 

[KidGamer65]

Since when does JJ Madara have susano? I don't remember him using it.

He had Susanoo before. Getting Juubi shouldn't make him lose it.

If Madara wanted to couldn't he in theory split his power between him and a Mokuton clone if the power between his PS and Saske's PS is that big so that he could deal with Kakashi and Sasuke at the same time?

If he does that then his PS won't be strong enough to beat Sasuke's. So no.

I swear I can remember you believing that both Naruto and Sasuke were above Madara.

Bijuu Susanoo Sasuke and Ashura Avatar Naruto. Neither are in this matchup.

 

[ARGUS]

ST? how would he use st while in ps? if he is out of ps he gets raped neg dif. then theres the fact that it would leave him vulnerable due to the cooldown, putting himself in danger more. so dunno why you mentioned st

ST is just an intangible force,
if you think he cant use it due to him being unable to use preta inside susanoo then youre wrong here, since preta actually requires the chakra flow to be in reverse, ST just requires some chakra thats all
and Sasukes strongest attack which is PS chidori gets nullified, thus eliminating any possiblilty for him to inflict even a scratch on madaras construct

the cooldown for ST would only apply for ST itself, doesnt stop him from using his other techniques, so at the end of the day madara isnt in anny danger whatsoever when he can use PS to manhandle them any time

 

[Eng nawashi]

Sasuke and kakashi duo. They don't even have to move.

Scenario:- Kakashi opens kamui , sasuke puts madara through it with amenotejikara. Game over in a second. Madara in other dimension. That counts as a win.

I liked your post by mistake .

 

[EZQ]

He had Susanoo before. Getting Juubi shouldn't make him lose it.

Obito had kamui intangibility and he lost it after getting Juubi. Madara could use susano even without eyes, but suddenly he stopped using it when he became JJ, he didn't even use it against Gai who almost killed him, so obviously gaining the juubi makes your previous MS ability useless and JJ Madara using susano is just a fanfic.

 

[Omar19992010]

Obito had kamui intangibility and he lost it after getting Juubi. Madara could use susano even without eyes, but suddenly he stopped using it when he became JJ, he didn't even use it against Gai who almost killed him, so obviously gaining the juubi makes your previous MS ability useless and JJ Madara using susano is just a fanfic.

Probably because anything other than Perfect Susano'o would have been busted by Guy and he can't use PS without both eyes in his socket plus he had better techniques up his sleeves when he was the JJ.

 

[KidGamer65]

Obito had kamui intangibility and he lost it after getting Juubi. Madara could use susano even without eyes, but suddenly he stopped using it when he became JJ, he didn't even use it against Gai who almost killed him, so obviously gaining the juubi makes your previous MS ability useless and JJ Madara using susano is just a fanfic.

That's Obito. Not to mention he only lost intangibility, not Kamui as a whole. Lmao. Then there's the fact that Madara used Kamui, and MS Jutsu, as the Juubi Jin. So much for JJ losing their MS techs. So your whole post falls apart right there. All because you didn't read the Manga correctly.

He didn't use PS because you need both eyes for PS. Not because he couldn't. JJ Madara using Susanoo is fact until anyone can give a logical explanation or proof for him not being able to do so.

 

[EZQ]

That's Obito. Not to mention he only lost intangibility, not Kamui as a whole. Lmao. Then there's the fact that Madara used Kamui, and MS Jutsu, as the Juubi Jin. So much for JJ losing their MS techs. So your whole post falls apart right there. All because you didn't read the Manga correctly.

He didn't use PS because you need both eyes for PS. Not because he couldn't. JJ Madara using Susanoo is fact until anyone can give a logical explanation or proof for him not being able to do so.

Obito lost both kamui and intangibilitiy. They are the same jutsu. He didn't use Kamui even when it would have been very useful.

You needed both eyes to use susano? Oh sure. Then how did madara use Susano with 0 eyes? Madara stopped using susano just when he became JJ and its a fact that using susano is not related to having both eyes, since madara used it without them.

A logical explanation for him not being able to use susano doesn't exist since kishi wrote what came up his ass and we have to deal with it.

Evidence he can't use susano: He didn't use it when he needed to, if he could use he would have used it against Gai (dont come with that argument that he didn't because he didn't have the second rinnengan there, since that argument is already refuted, you don't need both eyes to use susano)


Cut the crap, you are logical, saying that BS doesn't fit you at all.

Its exactly backwards, JJ Madara doesn't have susano unless you give proof or just a reason that explains why he chose to not use it.

 

[EZQ]

Probably because anything other than Perfect Susano'o would have been busted by Guy and he can't use PS without both eyes in his socket plus he had better techniques up his sleeves when he was the JJ.

Madara used susano even without eyes. He clearly doesn't need both eyes to use susano.

I dont think TSB and onmyoudon are better than susano, if madara could have used it he would, really.

 

[KidGamer65]

Obito lost both kamui and intangibilitiy. They are the same jutsu. He didn't use Kamui even when it would have been very useful.

Please read the manga. It's annoying having to read the Manga to some scrub who can't do it himself.

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"...Can't pass through things..."

That is intangibility. Same jutsu, different functions. Him not being able to use one function doesn't mean that he can't use the rest. Where the hell would teleporting away have been useful against these guys? Lmao. Then there's this:

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End of story. Juubi Jins can use their MS techs. Get that "They lose their MS techs" fanfic outta here.

You needed both eyes to use susano? Oh sure. Then how did madara use Susano with 0 eyes? Madara stopped using susano just when he became JJ and its a fact that using susano is not related to having both eyes, since madara used it without them.

Once again. Read the Manga. This is annoying. You need both eyes to use PERFECT SUSANOO. Don't twist my words around.

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. The full power of his eyes is PS. Thus one eye=no PS. Fact. Don't try and dispute facts like you did above. You'll only look silly.

A logical explanation for him not being able to use susano doesn't exist since kishi wrote what came up his ass and we have to deal with it.

No...

One doesn't exist because no one ever stated he can't use it. Fans have assumed he can't use it based on nothing at all.

Evidence he can't use susano: He didn't use it when he needed to, if he could use he would have used it against Gai (dont come with that argument that he didn't because he didn't have the second rinnengan there, since that argument is already refuted, you don't need both eyes to use susano)

Smh. Please read above.

Cut the crap, you are logical, saying that BS doesn't fit you at all.

Its exactly backwards, JJ Madara doesn't have susano unless you give proof or just a reason that explains why he chose to not use it.

Let's use common sense for once in our lives. Madara having Susanoo is a fact. Unless you can prove that getting the Juubi's power would make his technique vanish, then don't bother. End of story. You have no point. You just sound silly as all hell.

 

[EZQ]

Please read the manga. It's annoying having to read the Manga to some scrub who can't do it himself.

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"...Can't pass through things..."

That is intangibility. Same jutsu, different functions. Him not being able to use one function doesn't mean that he can't use the rest. Where the hell would teleporting away have been useful against these guys? Lmao. Then there's this:

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End of story. Juubi Jins can use their MS techs. Get that "They lose their MS techs" fanfic outta here.



Once again. Read the Manga. This is annoying. You need both eyes to use PERFECT SUSANOO. Don't twist my words around.

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. The full power of his eyes is PS. Thus one eye=no PS. Fact. Don't try and dispute facts like you did above. You'll only look silly.

No...

One doesn't exist because no one ever stated he can't use it. Fans have assumed he can't use it based on nothing at all.



Smh. Please read above.



Let's use common sense for once in our lives. Madara having Susanoo is a fact. Unless you can prove that getting the Juubi's power would make his technique vanish, then don't bother. End of story. You have no point. You just sound silly as all hell.

Getting the juubi's power restricted PS from madara obviously. He had killing intent against Naruto and Sasuke, if he had a Susano
stronger than rinnengan sasuke's (as you're saying) he would have used it.

Let me make this clear, Kishimoto obviously restricted PS from JJ madara because he would be unvincible with it. Madara doesn't have it because Kishimoto made it that way. Don't go saying i'm right until i'm proven wrong on something that's obviously a fail from the mangaka himself.

Obito lost his intangibility being a juubi jin, why? Just because if he had it, how the hell would naruto beat him? This is a manga that moves by PLOT and it always benefits the main character.

If madara had susano he would have used it. We know being a JJ restricts powers from the user, apparently Obito lost his kamui intangibility and madara lost his susano.

 

[KidGamer65]

Getting the juubi's power restricted PS from madara obviously. He had killing intent against Naruto and Sasuke, if he had a Susano
stronger than rinnengan sasuke's (as you're saying) he would have used it.

He used CT as a distraction so he could cast IT. His main goal. Killing Naruto and Sasuke comes afterwards. Please tell me where PS would fit into a distraction? Lmao. Stop reaching. It's getting pathetic.

Let me make this clear, Kishimoto obviously restricted PS from JJ madara because he would be unvincible with it. Madara doesn't have it because Kishimoto made it that way. Don't go saying i'm right until i'm proven wrong on something that's obviously a fail from the mangaka himself.

Lol, are you daft or something? Madara has PS. When you can prove that getting new power made him lose it, then we can say he lost it. Until then, you are merely assuming that he can't based on absolutely nothing. And I don't care for baseless assumptions.

Obito lost his intangibility being a juubi jin, why? Just because if he had it, how the hell would naruto beat him? This is a manga that moves by PLOT and it always benefits the main character.

Irrelevant.

If madara had susano he would have used it. We know being a JJ restricts powers from the user, apparently Obito lost his kamui intangibility and madara lost his susano.

Addressed. Being a JJ doesn't restrict powers from the user. Obito losing his intangibility due to the Juubi isn't proof that abilities are restricted. That's only proof that the certain ability in question is restricted.

Learn how to debate. When you can prove that Madara lost Susanoo, he did. That simple.