[VS] Madara vs Kaguya (read thread)

[Rikudou Tobi]

Just because he can't summon Konan and the other bodies that Nagato made a "contract" for does not mean Madara cannot use the Animal Path.

That doesn't make sense Just because he can't use animal path, doesn't mean he doesn't have animal?
And by what standards do you follow this by? As far as Databook goes, Nagato is the sole caster for all six pains. Madara and Obito are only there for Gedo mazou summoning along with Nagato.

It's not flawed, because that is not the logic I am using. I'm saying we don't know if he can use Nagato's creatures, but that doesn't mean he can't use the Animal Path.

:lol that is not logic in the slightest, absence of evidence is no evidence at all.

 

[Holy God]

That doesn't make sense Just because he can't use animal path, doesn't mean he doesn't have animal?
And by what standards do you follow this by? As far as Databook goes, Nagato is the sole caster for all six pains. Madara and Obito are only there for Gedo mazou summoning along with Nagato.

I don't think you're reading my posts correctly. I didn't say just because Madara can't use Animal Path doesn't mean he has no animals. What you quoted had nothing to do with the creatures and if I said he couldn't use Animal Path this wouldn't be an argument. I'm saying Madara being unable to summon Konan and the Six Paths of Pain is not evidence for him being unable to use Animal Path. Obviously the summons are customizable by the user, and so those would only belong to Nagato. This isn't refutable unless you were to say they came with the Rinnegan, which would be utter nonsense.

Don't know what you're talking about with the last two sentences. This discussion has nothing to do with using the Six Paths of Pain, although contrary to what you said,

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, thus Nagato is not the sole user.

:lol that is not logic in the slightest, absence of evidence is no evidence at all.

I didn't even once yet assert in this discussion that Madara can use Animal Path, so I don't know where you got that I'd be using absence of evidence for a point I haven't claimed yet. I've just been replying to what you've been claiming. But if you want me to start, I'm sure you can explain why Obito is able to use the Animal Path if it's so special to Nagato?

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

I don't think you're reading my posts correctly. I didn't say just because Madara can't use Animal Path doesn't mean he has no animals. What you quoted had nothing to do with the creatures and if I said he couldn't use Animal Path this wouldn't be an argument. I'm saying Madara being unable to summon Konan and the Six Paths of Pain is not evidence for him being unable to use Animal Path. Obviously the summons are customizable by the user, and so those would only belong to Nagato. This isn't refutable unless you were to say they came with the Rinnegan, which would be utter nonsense.

Don't know what you're talking about with the last two sentences. This discussion has nothing to do with using the Six Paths of Pain, although contrary to what you said,

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, thus Nagato is not the sole user.

The whole time I was implying that nagato's creatures and pains IS animal path itself, which Madara has absolutely no capability of summoning. The "contract" thing was completely ignored because I never read specifically that the rinnegan 'gives' you a set of different contracts for summoning.

And what Tobi did was bind temporarily biju to an edo tensei body, the process and power is completely different. Where as nagato uses animal path to summon deceased humans and creatures with his rinnegan, Obito is using Gedo mazou as a medium to hold 6 biju. And even further he is still unable to summon them from what we've seen.
Making nagato the sole user once again.

I didn't even once yet assert in this discussion that Madara can use Animal Path, so I don't know where you got that I'd be using absence of evidence for a point I haven't claimed yet. I've just been replying to what you've been claiming. But if you want me to start, I'm sure you can explain why Obito is able to use the Animal Path if it's so special to Nagato?

You did said that Madara is capable of using animal path, and by no means did Obito used the same. Last time I checked, Obito couldn't handle the rinnegan so he couldn't use it.

 

[Holy God]

The whole time I was implying that nagato's creatures and pains IS animal path itself, which Madara has absolutely no capability of summoning. The "contract" thing was completely ignored because I never read specifically that the rinnegan 'gives' you a set of different contracts for summoning.

And what Tobi did was bind temporarily biju to an edo tensei body, the process and power is completely different. Where as nagato uses animal path to summon deceased humans and creatures with his rinnegan, Obito is using Gedo mazou as a medium to hold 6 biju. And even further he is still unable to summon them from what we've seen.
Making nagato the sole user once again.

You're saying the Six Paths of Pain technique is part of the Animal Path? That doesn't make sense. It's a technique used to control corpses and divide power amongst them by implanting the chakra rods in them. Nothing more or less. You'd also have to be saying Konan, a regular living human, is part of the path, since your only association with the technique and the Animal Path is that they are able to be summoned by it.

The extra addition of the Tailed Beasts that Obito did is a separate discussion and just an additive to the Six Paths of Pain ability. He could have just used the hosts with no Tailed Beasts. I addressed him being able to use Animal Path below.

You did said that Madara is capable of using animal path, and by no means did Obito used the same. Last time I checked, Obito couldn't handle the rinnegan so he couldn't use it.

I didn't once say Madara is capable of using Animal Path in the previous replies. I only was refuting what you were saying as not proof of him not being able to. Obito is listed as an Animal Path user in the Databook, so he must have used it at some point, although I don't know exactly when. Either way, that's concrete proof.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

You're saying the Six Paths of Pain technique is part of the Animal Path? That doesn't make sense. It's a technique used to control corpses and divide power amongst them by implanting the chakra rods in them. Nothing more or less. You'd also have to be saying Konan, a regular living human, is part of the path, since your only association with the technique and the Animal Path is that they are able to be summoned by it.

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As for sticking a punch of rods into things as animal path is completely wrong and was never stated in the manga. Madara stock rods into Hashirama and Tobirama's body, yet no animal path.

The extra addition of the Tailed Beasts that Obito did is a separate discussion and just an additive to the Six Paths of Pain ability. He could have just used the hosts with no Tailed Beasts. I addressed him being able to use Animal Path below.

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I didn't once say Madara is capable of using Animal Path in the previous replies. I only was refuting what you were saying as not proof of him not being able to. Obito is listed as an Animal Path user in the Databook, so he must have used it at some point, although I don't know exactly when. Either way, that's concrete proof.

That's not a refute, like I said before you lack evidence. He doesn't have it because he's never showed it, and that's how it works in every logical sense of disputes out there. Proof requires substantiation to be validated.

 

[Holy God]

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That does not prove the Six Paths of Pain technique is part of the Animal Path, it only proves the bodies can be summoned by it, which is common sense. Konan disproves this entire thing. She isn't related to the Rinnegan yet she can be summoned.

As for sticking a punch of rods into things as animal path is completely wrong and was never stated in the manga. Madara stock rods into Hashirama and Tobirama's body, yet no animal path.

You misunderstood, once again. I said controlling corpses and splitting the Rinnegan's power between them is the Six Paths of Pain technique, not Animal Path.

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That does prove not the hosts needed the Tailed Beast chakra.

That's not a refute, like I said before you lack evidence. He doesn't have it because he's never showed it, and that's how it works in every logical sense of disputes out there. Proof requires substantiation to be validated.

The Databook says Obito can, which is concrete evidence. You cannot refute it, thus this argument is already pointless. Why did you ignore addressing this?

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

That does not prove the Six Paths of Pain technique is part of the Animal Path, it only proves the bodies can be summoned by it, which is common sense. Konan disproves this entire thing. She isn't related to the Rinnegan yet she can be summoned.

Animal path using those human summoning is proof of being animal path because animal path summoned it in the first place. That is common sense. Everything else is your speculation. Konan being a contract of animal path proves that nagato created a path that included konan as being a human summoning.
There is no basic six path jutsu granted to all rinnegan users, that's garbage. No one has shown path abilities of the same thing.

You misunderstood, once again. I said controlling corpses and splitting the Rinnegan's power between them is the Six Paths of Pain technique, not Animal Path.

Once again. Summoning corpse is an animal path ability, sticking rods into some corpse doesn't cut it like I said before because of the example I gave before about hashirama and tobirama. The splitting of rinnegan powers was ignored because it is irrelevant.

That does prove not the hosts needed the Tailed Beast chakra.

Yes it does otherwise temporarily binding would've not been said by the four tails. Either way, I never said that it did in the first place. I'm showing you the difference between gedo mazou and animal path utilization.

The Databook says Obito can, which is concrete evidence. You cannot refute it, thus this argument is already pointless. Why did you ignore addressing this?

Databook said that nagato and obito have rinnegan summoning which is Gedo mazou. That's why I ignored it

 

[Holy God]

There is no basic six path jutsu granted to all rinnegan users, that's garbage. No one has shown path abilities of the same thing.

Have you ever actually come across someone who agrees with you on this? Many people have been shown using the same paths.

Animal path using those human summoning is proof of being animal path because animal path summoned it in the first place. That is common sense. Everything else is your speculation. Konan being a contract of animal path proves that nagato created a path that included konan as being a human summoning.

No, it's not. The Animal Path is summoning. That's it. It does not allow you to control corpses. Why do you think there are chakra rods in them? To control them and share chakra. The Six Paths of Pain is clearly an Outer Path technique. Nagato did not create the Animal Path because if he did then there wouldn't be originally six paths, but only five. There are additions, which is why he has to use hand signs for them but not for the creatures.

Once again. Summoning corpse is an animal path ability, sticking rods into some corpse doesn't cut it like I said before because of the example I gave before about hashirama and tobirama. The splitting of rinnegan powers was ignored because it is irrelevant.

Once again, I'm not saying sticking rods in a body is an Animal Path ability. If you have the urge to reply with that again you should re-read my reply until you realize what I'm saying.

"I said controlling corpses and splitting the Rinnegan's power between them is the Six Paths of Pain technique, not Animal Path. "

Yes it does otherwise temporarily binding would've not been said by the four tails. Either way, I never said that it did in the first place. I'm showing you the difference between gedo mazou and animal path utilization.

I already know his chakra is bound to the hosts. You'd have to explain how that in any way means the host can't be controlled without the Tailed Beast. I already know that this bounding is not the Animal Path.

Databook said that nagato and obito have rinnegan summoning which is Gedo mazou. That's why I ignored it

Incorrect. The image depicted along with the description clearly shows the animal creatures that are a part of the Animal Path. You're either saying that the aren't a part of the Animal Path, which you already agreed to so you can't deny it, or that the Demonic Statue is part of the Animal Path.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Have you ever actually come across someone who agrees with you on this? Many people have been shown using the same paths.

I really don't care. Most people on this section don't even agree with kishi let alone me. If animal paths summon pain, then without question summoning six human corpse is part of animal paths power. It doesn't matter how you feel or think about the situation.
And no, nobody has been shown using the same paths or any paths excluding nagato. All we've seen is the rinnegan power gedo mazou and chibaku tensei, and those powers are not 'SIX paths of pain.'

No, it's not. The Animal Path is summoning. That's it. It does not allow you to control corpses. Why do you think there are chakra rods in them? To control them and share chakra. The Six Paths of Pain is clearly an Outer Path technique. Nagato did not create the Animal Path because if he did then there wouldn't be originally six paths, but only five. There are additions, which is why he has to use hand signs for them but not for the creatures.

There's controlling which and then there's also summoning. The six path bodies being summoned are animal paths power, otherwise he wouldn't be able to summon it in the first place. The rest of what you're saying doesn't really make much sense.

Once again, I'm not saying sticking rods in a body is an Animal Path ability. If you have the urge to reply with that again you should re-read my reply until you realize what I'm saying.
"I said controlling corpses and splitting the Rinnegan's power between them is the Six Paths of Pain technique, not Animal Path. "

Those corpse of pain being summoned is the animal path power. Splitting the power is not relevant. When you started to compare what Obito did to nagato's animal path power, that is what you were heavily implying.

I already know his chakra is bound to the hosts. You'd have to explain how that in any way means the host can't be controlled without the Tailed Beast. I already know that this bounding is not the Animal Path.

Nagato's pains are not temporarily bond to their powers nor is it anchored by some gedo mazou chain. So to prove the bold part. Look here.

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Incorrect. The image depicted along with the description clearly shows the animal creatures that are a part of the Animal Path. You're either saying that the aren't a part of the Animal Path, which you already agreed to so you can't deny it, or that the Demonic Statue is part of the Animal Path.

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[BLAZE]

six path powers come in set and anyone with rinnegan can use them

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[Holy God]

I really don't care. Most people on this section don't even agree with kishi let alone me. If animal paths summon pain, then without question summoning six human corpse is part of animal paths power. It doesn't matter how you feel or think about the situation.
And no, nobody has been shown using the same paths or any paths excluding nagato. All we've seen is the rinnegan power gedo mazou and chibaku tensei, and those powers are not 'SIX paths of pain.'

The Demonic Statue and Planetary Devastation are part of the Six Paths Techniques. Obviously they are not a part of the Six Paths of Pain because that is just a technique to control bodies. You do know that all of the Rinnegan abilities fall under one of the six (seven) paths, right? The Demonic Statue is part of the Outer Path and Planetary Devastation is part of the Deva Path. We've also seen Madara and Sasuke use Preta Path for absorption, and Obito claims to be able to do the Human Path.

There's controlling which and then there's also summoning. The six path bodies being summoned are animal paths power, otherwise he wouldn't be able to summon it in the first place. The rest of what you're saying doesn't really make much sense.

Those corpse of pain being summoned is the animal path power. Splitting the power is not relevant. When you started to compare what Obito did to nagato's animal path power, that is what you were heavily implying.

I already know summoning them is the Animal Path's ability. What I'm saying is that the Six Paths of Pain technique is part of the Outer Path, which is factual because it requires chakra rods. The technique isn't actually a part of the Animal Path, like Konan, the bodies are just able to be summoned by it. A technique can only belong to one path.

Nagato's pains are not temporarily bond to their powers nor is it anchored by some gedo mazou chain. So to prove the bold part. Look here.

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How does that prove they can't be used without the Tailed Beasts? Clearly all of them aren't being used in that scan because the rods are removed from them and they are being returned from Impure World Resurrection.

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The summoning of the Demonic Statue has its own page.

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[KidGamer65]

six path powers come in set and anyone with rinnegan can use them

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Rikudou Retard will say the Databook is lying. :lol

 

[Belserion]

Rikudou Retard will say the Databook is lying. :lol

Don't forget the Manga! The manga is also lying!
Madara didn't totally teach Obito the six paths nor did Konan say that all Rinnegan User can ultilize the six paths.

Look at the thread in my sig, dude's one delusional cuck.

 

[KidGamer65]

Look at the thread in my sig, dude's one delusional cuck.

Lmao this idiot will swear that it's not his main in that OP. :lol

 

[rinnegan human puppet]

I really don't care. Most people on this section don't even agree with kishi let alone me. If animal paths summon pain, then without question summoning six human corpse is part of animal paths power. It doesn't matter how you feel or think about the situation.
And no, nobody has been shown using the same paths or any paths excluding nagato. All we've seen is the rinnegan power gedo mazou and chibaku tensei, and those powers are not 'SIX paths of pain.'




There's controlling which and then there's also summoning. The six path bodies being summoned are animal paths power, otherwise he wouldn't be able to summon it in the first place. The rest of what you're saying doesn't really make much sense.



Those corpse of pain being summoned is the animal path power. Splitting the power is not relevant. When you started to compare what Obito did to nagato's animal path power, that is what you were heavily implying.



Nagato's pains are not temporarily bond to their powers nor is it anchored by some gedo mazou chain. So to prove the bold part. Look here.

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my eyes hurt.