[VS] Madara vs Kaguya (read thread)

[darthvader5666]

Madara has the yin and yang seals. Also has all of Nagato's rinnegan powers (but scaled up to his power level, think Nagato's CT vs Madara's) despite Kishi not letting him use them in the manga.

Location: Kaguya vs Team 7
Starting Distance: Kaguya vs Team 7
Knowledge: Manga
Mindset: IC
Win by death or sealing. So no BFR. Kaguya can still dimension switch, just can't use it for BFR. So wherever she sends Madara, she follows him there to try to kill him.

I think Madara can take this one. Kaguya is far more powerful, but Madara is far more intelligent and has a little knowledge as opposed to Kaguya having none. With the tools to defeat her (the seals), I think he can figure out a way. He needs to watch out for the planet busting Gudoudama though, if he doesn't seal Kaguya before she uses it, he's ****ed.

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

still Kaguya

 

[Scryed]

He's always had Nagato's Rinnegan powers. It's his eyes.

Kaguya wins as usual. The Madara you mentioned here is the Madara from the manga. Whether people like it or not, plot did have something to do with his performance just like it did with Kaguya. Madara lacked experience with that kind of power but so did Naruto and Sasuke and they were still tossing him around if you want to talk about experience. Madara is obviously more intelligent and would have better tactics than Kaguya but it wont be enough to cover the gap in power.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

With those yin yang seals he can possibly win, and since you gave him nagato's powers that means he can prevent her from constantly escaping into her portals with bansho tenin.

He's always had Nagato's Rinnegan powers. It's his eyes.

Kaguya wins as usual. The Madara you mentioned here is the Madara from the manga. Whether people like it or not, plot did have something to do with his performance just like it did with Kaguya. Madara lacked experience with that kind of power but so did Naruto and Sasuke and they were still tossing him around if you want to talk about experience. Madara is obviously more intelligent and would have better tactics than Kaguya but it wont be enough to cover the gap in power.

No he doesn't

 

[DHOH]

With those yin yang seals he can possibly win, and since you gave him nagato's powers that means he can prevent her from constantly escaping into her portals with

No he doesn't

It's his eyes, so yea Madara can do all Rinnegan jutsu Nagano showed.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

It's his eyes, so yea Madara can do all Rinnegan jutsu Nagano showed.

Because Madara summoning konan with animal path makes any sense. NO! He doesn't have it, even the databook shows him as not listed for any of those techniques either. It's the rinnegan NOT the sharingan.

 

[DHOH]

Because Madara summoning konan with animal path makes any sense. NO! He doesn't have it, even the databook shows him as not listed for any of those techniques either. It's the rinnegan NOT the sharingan.

Are you saying Madara gave Nagto the sharingan and Nagto obtain the Rinnegan?

 

[The Messiah]

I'm sorry to tell you my fellow Madara fan but Kaguya whoops his ass.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Are you saying Madara gave Nagto the sharingan and Nagto obtain the Rinnegan?

N O .

 

[Holy God]

Madara counters her entire arsenal.

Are you saying Madara gave Nagto the sharingan and Nagto obtain the Rinnegan?

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I'm pretty sure he thinks most of the abilities Nagato uses aren't part of the Six Paths Techniques.

 

[DHOH]

Madara counters her entire arsenal.

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I'm pretty sure he thinks most of the abilities Nagato uses aren't part of the Six Paths Techniques.

Oh okay. We'll databook and Manga says which one are.

 

[Warlocks]

still Kaguya wins

i know he is more intelligent then kaguya but don't forget that she has bz

bz was able to manipulate him or use him

+ kaguya is stronger than him in everything

 

[Unknnown]

Kaguya solos

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Madara counters her entire arsenal.

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I'm pretty sure he thinks most of the abilities Nagato uses aren't part of the Six Paths Techniques.

You should know as well as anybody that Madara cannot summon konan or any of those six Pain bodies that were before Madara's time. So how can you say that it's part of his powers?

 

[Holy God]

You should know as well as anybody that Madara cannot summon konan or any of those six Pain bodies that were before Madara's time. So how can you say that it's part of his powers?

I would never claim that Madara could summon Konan and the other bodies. Obviously those are unique summons to Nagato that did not come with the Rinnegan and differ from the actual Animal Path creatures since the former require seals to be summoned and the latter does not.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

I would never claim that Madara could summon Konan and the other bodies. Obviously those are unique summons to Nagato that did not come with the Rinnegan and differ from the actual Animal Path creatures since the former require seals to be summoned and the latter does not.

I hope you know that those unique summoning to nagato is called "Animal path," right?
Those creatures nagato summoned are not part of madara's arsenal either, while edo nagato was summoning them. Madara was trying to summon the kyubi as his animal guide.

I didn't even get to the reviver pain yet.

 

[Holy God]

I hope you know that those unique summoning to nagato is called "Animal path," right?

Maybe. Not like it matters much.

Those creatures nagato summoned are not part of madara's arsenal either, while edo nagato was summoning them. Madara was trying to summon the kyubi as his animal guide.

We don't know if the creatures are accessible to Madara. I don't know why you brought up Kurama.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Maybe. Not like it matters much.

It matters if that's animal paths' power. If he can't use it then he doesn't have it. How are you denying it?

We don't know if the creatures are accessible to Madara. I don't know why you brought up Kurama.

I brought up kurama because that was the only thing he was able to summon. Those creatures are not available to him that kind of thinking is flawed. Saying that is just like saying 'we don't know if madara can use shinsusenjuu or Wood golem, so nothing is suggesting that he doesn't have it.'

 

[Holy God]

It matters if that's animal paths' power. If he can't use it then he doesn't have it. How are you denying it?

Just because he can't summon Konan and the other bodies that Nagato made a "contract" for does not mean Madara cannot use the Animal Path.

I brought up kurama because that was the only thing he was able to summon. Those creatures are not available to him that kind of thinking is flawed. Saying that is just like saying 'we don't know if madara can use shinsusenjuu or Wood golem, so nothing is suggesting that he doesn't have it.'

It's not flawed, because that is not the logic I am using. I'm saying we don't know if he can use Nagato's creatures, but that doesn't mean he can't use the Animal Path.

 

[BLAZE]

DB and Manga explicitly says one with Rinnegan has Six Path jutsu along the seventh path