Madara vs Hashirama, who is stronger?

King Of Sharingan

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Ok so we all know that Hashirama defeated Madara at the Valley of the End, I think Hashi won because he had that Will of Fire inside him, but what I want to know is how many times did Madara win?. Obito said that in Madara's time there would be battling everyday. He also said that if Senju made a move, then Uchiha would make a move as well, and they would battle time and time again. So each of those times they fought how many times did Madara win. I think we could tell who is stronger depending on the win/loss record. Only if we knew it.
 

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Judging by what we know from Sasuke and Naruto... i would say Madara but it honestly can go either way...
 

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I'm sure they tied since they didn't want to keep fighting, but then Hashirama won during their final battle. So I'm assuming Hashirama.
 
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Im pretty sure they usually tied thats why the final battle was so important someone actually had a decisive victory
 

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They tied every time except the VOTE, where Hashirama won...I think....I'm not sure though so don't take my word for it.
 

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madara is stronger now. where is hashi now. dats right he's dead and shinobi's are pimping out his dna.
 

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Im pretty sure they usually tied thats why the final battle was so important someone actually had a decisive victory

That's what I said. Apparently that's 'proposterous' by King Of Sharingan's thinking.
 

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So you're telling me that they are equal. Proposterous

If you think about it, it wasn't just them, but also their clans. Hashi was equal with Madara. Who was supposed to beat Tobirama from the Uchiha clan back then? Unless Madara took 'em both on.
 

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Hashirama raped him again and again and again and then madara brought the kyuubi and hashirama raped him once more.

Madara is a loser which is why he wants to create a world where he wins
 

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wtf do you think the will of fire is some hidden power.....the will of fire is simply a belief that all ninja in the leaf have

hashi wone because of the will of fir pffffffft

back then shinobi fought to the death so its obvious that all their fight there was no winner until the last one and it was hashi even madara said so


will of fire
It is an ideal rooting from the belief of the Senju clan ancestor that love is the key to peace.[1] It would eventually become the life philosophy

you lack of knowledge in naruto is astounding
 
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Why do people ask these kind of questions? Allow me to provide the final answer, you can't tell who is stronger because not enough info was stated about them. We don't know the full extent of their power.
 

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there's absolutely no way we can know this
we'd just be laying guesses about fictional history
 

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If you think about it, it wasn't just them, but also their clans. Hashi was equal with Madara. Who was supposed to beat Tobirama from the Uchiha clan back then? Unless Madara took 'em both on.

Are you forgetting Izuna that's who took on Tobirama
 

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Why do people ask these kind of questions? Allow me to provide the final answer, you can't tell who is stronger because not enough info was stated about them. We don't know the full extent of their power.

We know the full extent of Madara right now unless he has more jutsu up his sleeve
 
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