Madara vs Gai Analysis

Loki d · Jan 24, 2015

Here we have Madara reacting to Gai who is moving at a certain speed.

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Gai uses Afternoon Tiger which is futile against Madara.

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Gai did not break the Gudodama shield it was the force of Madara's body being pushed against it. Madara was the only one with senjutsu power.

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Evening Elephant can't break the truth-seeking balls only similar powers can rival each other. The only way to counter tsb is with night guy, kamui, or being a sage.

Night guy breaks the truth seeking ball staff.

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Seventh Sama · Jan 25, 2015

You would still need a enormous amount of power to even break through TSB shield. I highly doubt sakura or tsunade would be able to punch madara through it....

Loki d · Jan 25, 2015

The Orange Hokage said:
You would still need a enormous amount of power to even break through TSB shield. I highly doubt sakura or tsunade would be able to punch madara through it....

If you don't have senjutsu or you are not a sage you can't break it not without those two

Lord Tywin · Jan 25, 2015

Damn, I completely missed seeing it was Gai that broke the staff.

Ryūkai1 · Jan 25, 2015

Cobra said:
Ok so what's the point of this thread again?

It's just an analysis thread

It's not meant to make a conclusion, just to analyze the events. It's up to the users to interpret the significance of the analysis.

Complex · Jan 25, 2015

Another gai and Madara thread sigh

Loki d · Jan 25, 2015

Cobra said:
Ok so what's the point of this thread again?

Evening elephants has no effect on the truth seeking balls. Night guy, Kamui, and Truth seeking balls are similar powers.

Woodzy · Jan 25, 2015

This doesn't need a separate thread seeing as there's already one similar to this. Although, I do like your points.

Seventh Sama · Jan 25, 2015

Loki d said:
If you don't have senjutsu or you are not a sage you can't break it not without those two

Yeah i know, Madara acted as a conduit for gai's evening elephant punch but it still broke through.

Limbo · Jan 25, 2015

He didn't break the staff did he? Madara didn't have a staff in his hand after he kicked him, i think that it slipped out of his hand because of the attack, look at this scan.

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But maybe you are right

Six Paths · Jan 25, 2015

I like how you theorized. But I have my own ideas.The Gudou Dama cannot be destroyed unless they are hit by a powerful senjutsu attack, or by brute strength. Yes they are malleable, but once they take a solid form, they generally keep that, and just like a normal steel rod could break, Gai was able to do the same thing.Just while using pure pure power. Gai was able to break the staff, and so with the Gudou Dama.

It was shown how Taijutsu was able to hurt the juubi's jinchuuriki, almost kill him. Just like Senjutsu attacks could.

Loki d · Jan 25, 2015

Madaras legs said:
He didn't break the staff did he? Madara didn't have a staff in his hand after he kicked him, i think that it slipped out of his hand because of the attack, look at this scan.
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But maybe you are right

I believe Gai did break it. Madara has none behind him yet after the attack was done he had one floating next to him.

Ansatsuken · Jan 25, 2015

Naruto's dimension can break it also.

Limbo · Jan 25, 2015

Loki d said:
I believe Gai did break it. Madara has none behind him yet after the attack was done he had one floating next to him.

That is not the case, he had one before Gai attacked him with Night Guy, he had 1 left after the attack as well, look here.

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He had one, and that is the one that comes back to him after Gai's attack, i honestly don't think Gai broke it but we'll see when the anime comes out.

Torche · Jan 25, 2015

Interesting.

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TRE MERCER · Jan 25, 2015

Thanks for giving us information we already know.

Seventh Sama · Jan 25, 2015

Madaras legs said:
That is not the case, he had one before Gai attacked him with Night Guy, he had 1 left after the attack as well, look here.

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He had one, and that is the one that comes back to him after Gai's attack, i honestly don't think Gai broke it but we'll see when the anime comes out.

Yeah, Gai just knocked it out of madara's hand. It wasn't his intended target (obv).

Limbo · Jan 25, 2015

The Orange Hokage said:
Yeah, Gai just knocked it out of madara's hand. It wasn't his intended target (obv).

Now that i think about, Madara's arm was blown off, the one he held the staff with, i think that the staff flew off when the hand got destroyed, the staff turned into a TSB again and returned to Madara.

SpoilerAlerts · Jan 25, 2015

Well I agree but kamui can't break a TSB he can send it to another dimension but sniping it and shaping it in 2 with kamui idk if that's possible.

startup97 · Jan 25, 2015

Believe in the Hype!!!
Fourth Databook proof!!!

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Translation: Hiruzen earned the title of professor for being a researcher. He was trained by both Hashirama and Tobirama, as the man that would succeed them. At a young age he showed greater talent than Tobirama in the Nature Elements. He wields all five Nature Alterations, Hiden, Genjutsu, all Ninjutsu existing in Konoha which explains his reputation as the Professor. Hence the essence of Hiruzen is his talent with Ninjutsu. Everyone in the village is his family member

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Viz Scan Orochimaru - "Knew and could perform all existing Konoha Jutsu"
Hiruzen knows all Hidden Leaf Jutsu which equals =

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Hidden Leaf Tech

Neutalizer technique, , Bringer of Darkness, Great Clone Explosion and all 8 Gates at will.
Water Clone Technique
Water Release: Water Colliding Wave (Anime only)
Water Release: Water Dragon Bullet Technique
Water Release: Water Encampment Wall
Water Release: Water Trumpet
Demonic Illusion: Hell Viewing Technique
Earth Release: Double Suicide Decapitation Technique
Earth Release: Earth-Style Wall
Earth Release: Hiding Like a Mole Technique
Earth Release: Multiple Earth-Style Wall (Anime only)
Eight Gates
Evil Sealing Method
Eye Mind Reading
Front Lotus
Lion Combo
Multiple Shadow Clone Technique
One Thousand Years of Death
Shadow Clone Technique
Shadow Imitation Technique
Water Needle
Shadow of the Dancing Leaf
Silent Killing
Summoning: Earth Release: Tracking Fang Technique
Wind Release: Great Breakthrough

Hiruzen (sarutobi clan)
Fire Release: Ash Pile Burning
Fire Release: Great Flame Technique
Dead Demon Consuming Seal
Earth Release Shadow Clone
Earth Release: Double Suicide Decapitation Technique
Earth Release: Earth Dragon Bullet
Earth Release: Earth Flow River
Earth Release: Earth-Style Wall
Fire Release: Fire Dragon Bullet
Fire Release: Fire Dragon Flame Bullet
Roof Tile Shuriken
Shadow Clone Technique
Shuriken Shadow Clone Technique
Summoning Technique (Monkey King: Enma)
Telescope Technique

Hiruzen w/ Enma
Beast Human Clone
Dynamic Marking
Fang Passing Fang
Fang Rotating Fang (Manga only) - Capable of crushing stone
Fang Wolf Fang - The power is great enough to dent a Rashōmon gate
Four Legs Technique
Human Beast Combination Transformation: Double-Headed Wolf
Passing Fang

Akimichi clan
Butterfly Bullet Bombing
Calorie Control
Double Human Bullet Tank
Human Bullet Tank
Multi-Size Technique
Partial Multi-Size Technique
Spiked Human Bullet Tank
Super Multi-Size Technique
Super Open Hand Slap

Nara clan
Black Spider Lily
Shadow Gathering Technique
Shadow Imitation Shuriken Technique
Shadow Imitation Technique
Shadow Sewing Technique
Shadow–Neck Binding Technique

Yamanaka Clan
Mind Body Disturbance Technique
Mind Body Switch Technique
Mind Clone Switch Technique
Mind Disturbance Dance Performance Technique (Anime only)
Mind Puppet Switch Cursed Seal Technique
Yamanaka Clan Telepathy

Uchiha Clan
Fire Release: Dragon Flame Release Song Technique
Fire Release: Great Dragon Fire Technique
Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique
Fire Release: Phoenix Sage Fire Technique
Fire Release: Phoenix Sage Flower Nail Crimson
Manipulating Windmill Triple Blades

VIZ PROOF.

"The sandaime, in particular, was a genius nicknamed the 'Professor,' and was called the strongest of all the Hokage".

the Sandaime was the strongest.

Databook 1, Page 117

The "Professor" revered as the strongest Hokage in history.

Databook 1, Page 119

"History's Strongest", "Genius", etc., there are many words that describe the Sandaime Hokage.

DB2 Pg 84
Konohamaru paragraph:

Konohamaru, descended from Sandaime, who was praised as history’s strongest Hokage.

"Hiruzen in his Prime was able to counter every Leaf Jutsu in Existance including all MS and EMS skills." DB2 Pg 84

Konohamaru paragraph:

Konohamaru, descended from Sandaime, who was praised as history’s strongest Hokage.

He who even holds the affectionate name of "Professor," being well-versed in every jutsu that exists in the village of Konohagakure

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