Madara timeline + Orochimaru/Rikudo Sennin connection.

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Ok, so as I was re-reading the manga for other purposes, I got again to the Madara chapters. And as we all are curious about Madara timeline, here's what I found while browsing through the page's chapter.

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So Madara knew about the Impure World Ressurection. And he knew it from who other than Orochimaru?

As we can see, he knows about the jutsu.

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Who other besides Tobirama who made the jutsu and Orochimaru who's been conducting different researches about all the jutsus, knew how to use it? So that's why is safe to asume that Madara knew Orochimaru. Not only because of that, as well because Kabuto says I am *his* supporter. Who has Kabuto supported his entire life?

As well, it is safe to assume that he lived around the First Shinobi World War or even a bit longer than that. Why do I said that? Well, because first, Tobirama was the one to create it and then somehow stollen by Orochimaru, therefore leading to the idea that this is the period of Madara's life. Tobirama is known to have died in the 1st Shinobi World War.

Why am I into the Madara timeline? Because I think that his timeline is the answer to all our questions!

Plus there is something else that bothers me... What's about Madara's body and his golden age and the link with the Rinnegan? *As we can see here*

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As well, their plan (Orochimaru and Madara's) as we can see here:

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Also, it made it clear that the Rinnegan techniques were created by Madara? As he says "To test my techniques a little better"?

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I think an important part of the plan was to collect all the Bijuus (Akatsuki's job/plan) as we can see he is very interested in summoning Kurama.

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And he specifies that "You haven't been able to capture the Kyuubi yet".

My guess with all of this, was that they were trying to revive/host the power of Sage of Six Paths within Madara.
From where that idea came?

Well, we know this. All Bijuus will going to reunite one day in a host, as pointed in the chapter 9 Names.

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But the problem would be that Madara's body wouldn't probably take it. So that's why he took some of Madara's DNA, as we all know. And we know that Senju + Uchiha = The Sage of Six Paths.

So, briefly, this is about Madara's and Orochimaru's plan to bring through an improved Edo Tensei the power of the Rikkudo Sennin back to life.

We all know that there's a scroll who holds the power to change the trajectory of this war and that scroll has that info "thanks to" Orochimaru's researches. As stated here by Suigetsu:

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Who is the greatest power of all time if not the one of the Rikkudo Sennin? I wonder if that was their plan all-along. :)


LaterEDIT: Also, what I think that if this in the end is something like that, I would find something fishy regarding Orochimaru, in the end turning all this to his favor.
Meaning to have that curse on Madara's neck in order to be able to obtain all the power the Sage's power as well, "thanks" to binding Madara thorugh that cursed seal... since he always wanted to know the secret behind any jutsu and to know them as well.
But in the end, these are assumptions. We should wait and see.


PS: I don't know if this thread has been made before, but in my search results and over the threads I've been browsing, no such topic has been brought up.
 
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Sounds good only bit I found a bit sketchy was the "Rinnegan techniques were created by Madara" he probably meant "My techniques" as in his newly acquired techniques
 

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I'm pretty sure he was talkin about Tobirama when he said it seemed like 'his doing' because Everyone who's been brought back who lived in Madaras time (2nd Mizu and Tuschikage) immediately though Tobirama was behind it. +Rep for effort though
 

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Couldn't read because the images are broken for me.
Hmm, strange, for me they're working...

Sounds good only bit I found a bit sketchy was the "Rinnegan techniques were created by Madara" he probably meant "My techniques" as in his newly acquired techniques
It was a question. My techniques could've meant something like that, of course. But I am sure that the creator was the Sage. Probably, him, planning to be the next Rikkudo Sennin, that's why he reffered as "my".

Also, what I think that if this in the end is something like that, I would find something fishy regarding Orochimaru, in the end turning all this to his favor.
Meaning to have that curse on Madara's neck in order to be able to obtain all the power the Sage's power as well, "thanks" to binding Madara thorugh that cursed seal... since he always wanted to know the secret behind any jutsu and to know them as well.
But in the end, these are assumptions. We should wait and see.


Well, it seems legit. Ain't got much to say, I'll just watch how the thread will go.
It would seem. As I said, this is just my assumption. In the end we have to wait and see what Kishi has for us.

Wow, great thread. I've read it all and make it's sense. I'm just really curious on how Orochimaru knows Madara..
Thank you! Well, that is an interesting question nonetheless but I am sure they know eachother. Maybe they met along the way when Orochimaru ran away from Konoha?

I'm pretty sure he was talkin about Tobirama when he said it seemed like 'his doing' because Everyone who's been brought back who lived in Madaras time (2nd Mizu and Tuschikage) immediately though Tobirama was behind it. +Rep for effort though
Well, yeah, you would he thinking that but the thing is that I don't see Madara making a plan with Tobirama taking into consideration the fact that:

1. Tobirama declared this a forbidden jutsu and didn't want to use it anymore.
2. Orochimaru was the one who always went after forbidden jutsus and he clearly knows about Edo Tensei, because he's been researching. Otherwise Kabuto wouldn't know it either. All that Kabuto knows is from Orochimaru. :)

So I am pretty sure that it is about Orochimaru, in the end.
 
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Right, you see the part about 'I am his supporter', supposedly Kabuto was referring to Tobi:

Madara - あいつらのすることだ… 何か考えがあってのことなんだ ろ う が あまり計画通りに事が運んで な い ようだな オレをこんな形で復活さ せ る と は… この穢土転生の術者は誰だ? -> Those guys, to have done such a thing... What's the reason behind this, to be revived in such a state. Things don't seem to be going according to the plan... Who is the caster of this Edo Tensei jutsu?

Kabuto - ボクはカブト… 彼の協力者です… -> I am Kabuto... His partner/coworker.

Madara was referring to the Allied Forces, he was wondering what made those guys unite like that.
Kabuto was referring to Tobi.
 

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Great thread but, madara did not create the rinnegan techniques at all..
I know, I know, that's why I added a question mark there. And up there I also answered this matter as in him talking as some sort of Rikkudo Sennin.


Right, you see the part about 'I am his supporter', supposedly Kabuto was referring to Tobi:
Hmm... could be that as well. But Kabuto knowing so many things about Edo Tensei and Madara as well could be as well related to Orochimaru.

But in the end it is an assumption. We will see when Kishi will clear this matter as well. :)
 
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Madara knew Edo Tensei seals through Tobimara or a scroll before he died, since it was a forbidden justu.

Its not Madara and Orochimaru's plan, Its Madara and Obito's plan (Mugen Tsukiyomi or "The Moon's Eye Plan")

The Rinnegan techniques were created by The Sage of Six Paths, not Madara.

It was an important part to get all of the Bijuu to recreate the Juubi.

They didn't want the Sage's power, they wanted the Juubi's power for Mugen Tsukiyomi.

And Madara had Senju DNA before he died. +Rep though for effort
 

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I wanna see how Madara knows Nagato because Madara thought at first that he resurrected him via Rinne Tensei.

Yes! Lets get back to what Madara was doing after he fought Hashirama in the Final Valley.
 

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Madara knew Edo Tensei seals through Tobimara or a scroll before he died, since it was a forbidden justu.

Its not Madara and Orochimaru's plan, Its Madara and Obito's plan (Mugen Tsukiyomi or "The Moon's Eye Plan")

The Rinnegan techniques were created by The Sage of Six Paths, not Madara.

It was an important part to get all of the Bijuu to recreate the Juubi.

They didn't want the Sage's power, they wanted the Juubi's power for Mugen Tsukiyomi.

And Madara had Senju DNA before he died. +Rep though for effort
1. I don't kinda see it like that because as I stated before, Madara hated the Senju's. So I find it more accurate to know it from Orochimaru. And in the chapter with Orochimaru's ressurection, it is clear that they know themselves because Orochimaru reffers to them as, well... "them", inclining us to believe that he knows them. Meaning both Madara and "Fake" Madara as Kabuto states.

2. I am sure that Orochimaru is involved in this plan as well because they needed someone who would known medical techniques such as how to unite DNA and stuff like that. So maybe in the end is Madara + Tobi + Orochimaru's plan.

3. I know that, I explained higher on several post where that statement came from. I think I should add it to the main one, though, lol.

4. To recreate the Jubii or to host Rikkudo's Sennin power as well... But maybe in the end will be like this, as well. Meaning Madara the Juubi and Naruto the Rukkudo's Reincarnation. Though I wonder where Sasuke fits here, lol.

5. Well, yeah, have to agree with that one. Forgot about it.

6. I know about that. I didn't said he didn't had it before that. But don't you think that Orochimaru has been the one who implanted the Senju DNA? :) Who else is known for doing such medical techniques, besides Tsunade (although these DNA things she has never been showed to do, but I was reffering to medical techniques, generally).

6. Thanks! :)


Madara knows about edos cuz he foughtmany times against hashi and Tobirama.

But I like your theory.......good one
First: thanks! But Madara has been shown to fight only against Hashirama, not Tobirama although they are both from the Senju clan.

I wanna see how Madara knows Nagato because Madara thought at first that he resurrected him via Rinne Tensei.

Yes! Lets get back to what Madara was doing after he fought Hashirama in the Final Valley.
I know. That's my curiosity as well... Buut, when exactly the Uzumaki land was attacked? Maybe it was in the first shinobi world war? :shrughs: and that's how he got to meet Nagato? Just an assumption, though.

I think is very important to know what Madara did after that battle as it holds the answer to many questions in the present events. :)
 
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I'm also gonna say that perhaps Madara doesn't know Orochimaru because remember Madara was astonished to find out that Kabuto knows so much about "the secret tablet" in Naka Shrine that was left behind by the S06P. He was surprised because Kabuto and Orochimaru aren't Uchiha and yet they knew a lot about it.....

- If you have a regular Sharingan, you can read certain parts.
- If you have the Mangekyo Sharingan, you can read other parts.
- And finally if you have the Rinnegan you can read what the rest says about the tablet.

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Then again I could be wrong
 

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I'm also gonna say that perhaps Madara doesn't know Orochimaru because remember Madara was astonished to find out that Kabuto knows so much about "the secret tablet" in Naka Shrine that was left behind by the S06P. He was surprised because Kabuto and Orochimaru aren't Uchiha and yet they knew a lot about it.....

- If you have a regular Sharingan, you can read certain parts.
- If you have the Mangekyo Sharingan, you can read other parts.
- And finally if you have the Rinnegan you can read what the rest says about the tablet.

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Then again I could be wrong
Hmmm, you do have a point there...Seemed I kinda skipped that part. Yet, still, I do believe they have a connection because as I've mentioned, I don't see anyone knowing medical techniques besides Orochimaru/Kabuto.

Well, in the end I might be right, might be wrong, this is just an assumption of mine. :)
 

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Images are all broken for me too :(

It would be cool if you put the chapter/page numbers

I'm also thinking orochimaru knew madara in the past. I really wanna know what him and sasuke are up to because we are gona find out something big once the focus changes
 
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