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Madara became evil why again? Because his clan doesnt like him anymore. He gave a young boy his eyes so he could revive him DIDNT TELL HIM THE PLAN. Gets lucky an uchiha falls in his cave gives him godly powers and trusts him with his lifes work even though he said he wasnt going to do it his way. Gets lucky hes brought back as an edo his back up plan is to control obito. His control over him is so wesk that a guy with almost no chakra and a giant hole in his chest could completely resist. Its okay he has a trump car hes going to use the same plan but rely on fodder to beat a demi god. Goes 1v1 with the guy who kicked his arse all his life LOSES and almost gets sealed. Taunts sasuke about amaterasu being weak yet throws off armor(its not as if sasuke couldnt have done it again). Tries to fight the strongest entities in naruto by charging at them freefalling from the air. Most of madaras plans succeed by sheer luck and nothing else.
 

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If Madara sucks at planning in a way so does Itachi lool, which isn't the case.
 

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He was planning to wait till Nagato was older, then do the same thing he did with Obito, and force Nagato to revive him.

Nagato didn't need to know about the plan, he was just a living tool.
 

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And Obito sucks even more.
 

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If Madara sucks at planning in a way so does Itachi lool, which isn't the case.

Itachis planing is equally as bad as madaras. He wanted sasuke to be a hero yet he wanted him to kill his best friend a leaf shinobi? If naruto died 9tails wouldve rampaged in konoha. Not to mention he trusted his brother to an evil pedophile that was tryi h to steal his body.
 

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If Madara sucks at planning in a way so does Itachi lool, which isn't the case.

Itachis planing is equally as bad as madaras. He wanted sasuke to be a hero yet he wanted him to kill his best friend a leaf shinobi? If naruto died 9tails wouldve rampaged in konoha. Not to mention he trusted his brother to an evil pedophile that was tryi h to steal his body.
 

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He is...eccentric...let's just leave it at that. Or he is a fetishist...perhaps he likes the pain.
That and well his obsession with Hashi...well...you know.
 

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I think Madara is a kind man deep down! He is just distraught! Can't think straight anymore! Just doing random things!
 

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He was planning to wait till Nagato was older, then do the same thing he did with Obito, and force Nagato to revive him.

Nagato didn't need to know about the plan, he was just a living tool.
WRONG nagato was almost 20 when obito fell in or atleast he was a young adult. He cant control nagato because nagato does not have senju dna not only that but maddy cant leave the cave drops dead if he isnt on life support.
 

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WRONG nagato was almost 20 when obito fell in or atleast he was a young adult. He cant control nagato because nagato does not have senju dna not only that but maddy cant leave the cave drops dead if he isnt on life support.

''That brat Nagato finally grew up''

That's all I have to say.
 

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Itachis planing is equally as bad as madaras. He wanted sasuke to be a hero yet he wanted him to kill his best friend a leaf shinobi? If naruto died 9tails wouldve rampaged in konoha. Not to mention he trusted his brother to an evil pedophile that was tryi h to steal his body.

dude itachi planned ahead great, and madara had a huge plan n had many different ways of working it he is mad smart dude, and itachi is as good or maybe even better at planning.... but opinions are opinions i can see somestuff but not a lot that might not be planned good
 

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If we are talking about Master Planner and Master Manipulator Obito takes it neg diff.
When things come to Improvising Madara takes it high diff.
 

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I have a theory regarding the connection of black Zetsu with Oro and Kabuto. This theory has to do with Zetsu leaking info and valuable stuff to Oro and Co to sabotage Obito and his Akatsuki. Zetsu have always knew that Obito was not following the plan, and he kept an act as a loyal subordinate. Ever wonder how Oro get all those Hashi dna to experiment with in hundreds of children. How about the secrets of Madara's body? Where did even Kabuto get the Dna to revive Madara? How about a few chapters back on Madara's revival, when he was talking about his henchmen's subordinate? Kabuto is clearly the henchman's subordinate, but who is the henchman? Clearly at that moment Madara doesn't acknowledge Obito as an ally anymore. I also doubt black Zetsu wouldn't act to fulfill Madara's plan. Its clear to me Zetsu have done deals behind Obito's back. Well this is getting long, I meant to post this on it's own thread.
 

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Madara's planning is as best as he could do. Times can change and after he is dead he can't change what other people do. So yes while he is dead his plan is based on luck, but he can predict a high chance of it succeeding.

Obito falling into his lap? Maybe not part of his plan, but it was his plan for someone to carry on after he was dead so he would get one eventually before dying and while he was connected to the gedo he wasn't going to die.

He left the convincing of Nagato up to Obito, and honestly regardless of whether or not Nagato betrayed Obito there was nothing Nagato could ever possibly do to even harm Obito, so Obito could have forced Madara's revival and Madara knew that. Madara also knew that if Nagato died Obito could take the rinnegan and revive him. He also planned for it to be possible for black zetsu to be able to control another person and force them to revive him. Madara also knew that edo tensei exists and if someone wanted someone powerful, he would be a person to go after. So no matter what Madara thought there was a high chance of his revival, you can't force something to happen when your dead but he can plan it very well. Which he did.

Even if Obito had a hole in his chest and was lowish on chakra, he still wasn't really near being dead. You forget nearly half of his body was crushed before and he survived. And nearly half of his body is constructed of extremely strong zetsu goo which pretty much forces him to live. Plus Obito has a huge drive from Rin to overcome Madara's control. A normal person definitely wouldn't have been able to resist control. Eventually Obito succumbed when he was truly in a weakened state, Which Madara was planning on doing himself, but instead got to have fun fighting Hashi.

The armor thing you bring up is pointless. He probably would have taken it off anyways since he wanted to feel the fight, and honestly needs to feel the fight since he is blind. He can't feel wind created by movement as easily with a bunch of armor on, it also might slow him down. Also he probably wanted to show Hashi the face on his chest and explain to him what was up, so taking off the armor was likely part of his plan. Sasuke's amaterasu had nothing to do with it.

You are right he tries to fight the strongest entities in Naruto and fails at first, but remember he is doing this with no eyes and still managed to survive. And after obtaining one eye he subsequently knocked all those entities down by looking at them and then forcefully made them his *****es.

Madara's plans take their own shape after he is dead and he doesn't have direct control over them, but he set up his plans very well and knew his plan of being revived would most likely come to fruition. While he is edo and brought back to life he makes his plans happen while having fun fighting. IMO he is great at planning. How many people could honestly prepare a long term plan like Madara's and actually have it work? Maybe only someone with the ability to see the future.
 

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Obito is a pawn to society to kishi/madara madara plan would still been in motion just not as fast
 
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