Madara stopped using so many jutsu when he became a Jinchuuriki

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Madara used Chibaku Tensei to create meteorites against Naruto and Sasuke.

Madara never used his MS as a MS, EMS and Rinnengan user. He never used it as a Jinchuuriki user also.
 

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No pal. It isn't Deva Path's technique. It's the 'Seventh Pain's' or "Outer Paths" technique - which give access to The Gedo Rods and utilizes Rinne-tensei.
You described the Outer Path correctly, so I can't see how you are miscategorizing Planetary Devastation. The Outer Path is the power over life and death, while the Deva Path is the power over force. If that isn't obvious enough, there's the Six Paths of Pain. The Deva Path Pain, who is restricted to using Deva Path abilities, used it. No use in arguing he could use other techniques because if that was possible he wouldn't have lost to Naruto.

Okay; even then there is a certain reason - he can't use MS - he can't use Limbo otherwise with Rinnegan, which'd switch to Mangekyou and Limbo was his greatest tool at that point. And, he can't enhancify his Rinnegan with Sharingan since his is not Sharinnegan containing tomoe.
You're right here in a certain way, like when Madara had to switch to the Sharingan to use genjutsu, but the only effective technique he uses, Susano'o, doesn't require he switch eyes. There's also him using Susano'o in conjunction with the Rinnegan to pull meteorites of the sky, meaning he has some ability of synergy, even if less than Sasuke.
 
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You described the Outer Path correctly, so I can't see how you are miscategorizing Planetary Devastation. The Outer Path is the power over life and death, while the Deva Path is the power over force. If that isn't obvious enough, there's the Six Paths of Pain. The Deva Path Pain, who is restricted to using Deva Path abilities, used it. No use in arguing he could use other techniques because if that was possible he wouldn't have lost to Naruto.
I'm actually not sure what you're trying to say here. Could you rephrase it?


You're right here in a certain way, like when Madara had to switch to the Sharingan to use genjutsu, but the only effective technique he uses, Susano'o, doesn't require he switch eyes. There's also him using Susano'o in conjunction with the Rinnegan to pull meteorites of the sky, meaning he has some ability of synergy, even if less than Sasuke.
Look, my man - Susanoo has always been an anomaly among Mangekyou. Damn Itachi used the thing without both sockets of eyes - nigh blind.
 

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I'm actually not sure what you're trying to say here. Could you rephrase it?
1. The Outer Path is the power over life and death while the Deva Path is that over force. Planetary Devastation is obviously a technique about force, completely unrelated to any of the Outer Path abilities we've seen.

2. With the Six Paths of Pain technique, each body is designated a specific path, with the user (Nagato) being the seventh. The Deva Path Pain is the one who used Planetary Devastation, meaning it has to be a Deva Path technique. If it wasn't, that would mean he could use all paths, in which case he would have done so and beat Naruto.
 

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Which means he has Rinnegan techniques. By the way, it's a Deva Path technique.



One person being unable to use one of their MS techiques in no way proves everyone can't use any. Obito said he couldn't phase with the Ten-Tails, whereas Madara did not phase, he teleported.
He didn't say he couldn't phase, he said he couldn't move between dimensions.

That could mean what you said but it could mean something else too. Kishi should have been more specific.
 
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Its not that he didn't use them....

he didnt get the CHANCE to use them (btw the uchiha fan is his gunbai)


People seem to forget that when the IT was cast and madara was peaking, he got cucked by black zetsu because madara was a puppet the entire time
 

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He had better jutsu available and he didn't need them anymore. He was twice as fast as Minato for crying out loud. You had to open the gates just to get near him. He did use Mokuton for IT tho.
 

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Because he wanted to test the power. He was a power hungry and arrogant person. He didn't want to use the old tricks up his sleeve, he wanted to feel the full power of the Juubi.
 

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1. The Outer Path is the power over life and death while the Deva Path is that over force. Planetary Devastation is obviously a technique about force, completely unrelated to any of the Outer Path abilities we've seen.

2. With the Six Paths of Pain technique, each body is designated a specific path, with the user (Nagato) being the seventh. The Deva Path Pain is the one who used Planetary Devastation, meaning it has to be a Deva Path technique. If it wasn't, that would mean he could use all paths, in which case he would have done so and beat Naruto.
Except we've seen all Rinnegan users utilize Chibaku Tensei, man. Hence it's concludable that it's an Outer Path technique. By the way, Chibaku Tensei is a sealing technique. Not a pure gravitational force composed technique, per se.
 

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Omg this dimwit again. Holy God, don't try, you can't explain to him that anybody with rinnegan can use 6 paths techniques
(Deva, Asura, Animal, Preta, Naraka, Human + Outer (7th)). He just thinks that Nagato was the only one who could use them because others haven't really shown us using them (which i count as a plot hole....there is no way Madara wasn't able to use those paths but Nagato was, since those were Madara's eyes and Nagato wasn't his relative...)
Might as well try. It's not like there's any evidence on their side.

Except we've seen all Rinnegan users utilize Chibaku Tensei, man. Hence it's concludable that it's an Outer Path technique. By the way, Chibaku Tensei is a sealing technique. Not a pure gravitational force composed technique, per se.
That's not a logical statement though. To say it's an Outer Path technique because everyone can use it only works if we assume people can't use the other paths, which we can't assume because that's the entire argument in the first place. Essentially you're saying I'm wrong because you're right, which isn't evidence at all. And what about absorbing chakra, which we've seen Madara and Sasuke do? Is that also an Outer Path technique despite only the Preta Path Pain being able to do it?

And Planetary Devastation isn't a sealing technique in the traditional sense. Yes, it's entire purpose is to seal, but by force itself, whereas other sealing techniques use an actual seal, like when you see the black markings encompass the person or technique, or through some "magic" like the Totsuka Sword and Sage of Six Paths Treasures. There's also things like the sealing of souls with the Rinnegan, which doesn't fall under the Outer Path.
 

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Might as well try. It's not like there's any evidence on their side.



That's not a logical statement though. To say it's an Outer Path technique because everyone can use it only works if we assume people can't use the other paths, which we can't assume because that's the entire argument in the first place. Essentially you're saying I'm wrong because you're right, which isn't evidence at all. And what about absorbing chakra, which we've seen Madara and Sasuke do? Is that also an Outer Path technique despite only the Preta Path Pain being able to do it?

And Planetary Devastation isn't a sealing technique in the traditional sense. Yes, it's entire purpose is to seal, but by force itself, whereas other sealing techniques use an actual seal, like when you see the black markings encompass the person or technique, or through some "magic" like the Totsuka Sword and Sage of Six Paths Treasures. There's also things like the sealing of souls with the Rinnegan, which doesn't fall under the Outer Path.
Chibaku Tensei is categorized as a sealing technique, in the 4th Databook.

Shinra and Bansho Tensei, on the other hand are categorized as pure forces - it's stated that the user manipulates a natural gravity field and emits an attractive force from thier palms, respectively - in the Databook.

Plus, if you still want to argue otherwise; we've seen The Deva Path cannot utilize CT by himself so he had to get close to Nagato.

If your next argument is that he was out of Chakra - then, that's also false. We see him ressurecting the civillians of The Leaf with no difficulty, after putting up a planetoid, big enough to trap the Kyuubi. Plus, we see Nagato himself concentrating to build the CT and he himself said he had concentrate. That proves Planetary Devastation is a technique personally cast by Nagato and he is shown to weave the signs for it, himself.

Whereas the other 6 Paths; do not require hand seals to activate thier jutsu except The Animal Path - which is pretty much self explanatory - as signs are always required to summon otherworldly creatures, even the cancelling of The Infinite Tsukiyomi required hand seals.

Preta Path is a type of absorption technique just like the many other absorption techniques, that exist in the Narutoverse. Many are under the misconception that it's a Rinnegan technique because Nagato - a Rinnegan user - used it, which isn't the case. Rinnegan has an absorption technique of it's own; which is unidirectional in it's application, whereas we've seen Nagato using it omnidirectionally and in collaboration with the other paths of his - whereas Madara couldn't utilize them in collaboration with his Susano'o as we've seen and by his own words as he comment's that Susano'o interfered in fully absorbing Jinton.

And, he claims Naruto's Rasenshuriken was too much energy for him to absorb - implying his absorption technique is limited in it's Chakra intake - whereas we've seen that the Preta Path has no limits in absorption and The Databook states it (that it has no limits on how much it can absorb, and says that the absorbed chakra become part of the user's chakra pool and keeps absorbing like a bottomless swamp.)

I expect a reply addressing all these points in detail or don't reply at all, as we won't get anywhere, going off in a tangent.
 

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He used Planetary Devastation.



He used Kamui.



See the above.
Its clear that guy likes to write moronic posts. First he says he can't use Rinnegan while ignoring that he used 3 Rinnegan jutsu ( CT, absorbation, and limbo), then he says Mokuton get weaker while completely ignoring the fact he used Mokuton on planetary level feat that surpass anything Hashirama ever did.

Only thing that makes sense in his post is that Katon is kinda weak.
 

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Chibaku Tensei is categorized as a sealing technique, in the 4th Databook.
Because it's only use is sealing. It's mechanism still differs from traditional seals which don't utilize pure force. That's why Sasuke had to use genjutsu.

Plus, if you still want to argue otherwise; we've seen The Deva Path cannot utilize CT by himself so he had to get close to Nagato.
He got close so that he could receive more chakra. Pain obviously did it himself because he weaved the sign and casted the sphere.

If your next argument is that he was out of Chakra - then, that's also false. We see him ressurecting the civillians of The Leaf with no difficulty, after putting up a planetoid, big enough to trap the Kyuubi.
That lies upon the assumption that reviving people takes a lot of chakra, which is unlikely since it kills you regardless.

Plus, we see Nagato himself concentrating to build the CT and he himself said he had concentrate. That proves Planetary Devastation is a technique personally cast by Nagato and he is shown to weave the signs for it, himself.
Nagato is concentrating because he is the one controlling Pain. All the actions and chakra are provided by his will. As far as I'm concerned Nagato's hands were completely bound and he didn't cast a thing.

Whereas the other 6 Paths; do not require hand seals to activate thier jutsu except The Animal Path - which is pretty much self explanatory - as signs are always required to summon otherworldly creatures, even the cancelling of The Infinite Tsukiyomi required hand seals.
I can't see how this helps you since Pain weaved the signs and not Nagato.

Preta Path is a type of absorption technique just like the many other absorption techniques, that exist in the Narutoverse. Many are under the misconception that it's a Rinnegan technique because Nagato - a Rinnegan user - used it, which isn't the case. Rinnegan has an absorption technique of it's own; which is unidirectional in it's application, whereas we've seen Nagato using it omnidirectionally and in collaboration with the other paths of his - whereas Madara couldn't utilize them in collaboration with his Susano'o as we've seen and by his own words as he comment's that Susano'o interfered in fully absorbing Jinton.
I don't understand what you're saying here. Any chakra absorption done by the Rinnegan is Preta Path. That's the entire point of the path itself. And no, you're using a wrong translation for Madara and the Kage, which I've previously addressed .

And, he claims Naruto's Rasenshuriken was too much energy for him to absorb - implying his absorption technique is limited in it's Chakra intake - whereas we've seen that the Preta Path has no limits in absorption and The Databook states it (that it has no limits on how much it can absorb, and says that the absorbed chakra become part of the user's chakra pool and keeps absorbing like a bottomless swamp.)
No, Madara only says "too much", with no reference to what he's talking about, so this is just an assumption
 

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He had better jutsu available and he didn't need them anymore. He was twice as fast as Minato for crying out loud. You had to open the gates just to get near him. He did use Mokuton for IT tho.
Even Gates couldn't get near him.

People have selective memory and quickly discard the fact that Minato took away Madara's main offense and defense to give Gai an advantage (teleported all Madara's truth seeking balls) and that Kakashi kamuid the omnyoudon barrier that Madara put up for himself so that Gai can land a hit.

They also forget that had he chosen to, Madara could have pawned Gai with Limbo.

He stated that he didn't use Limbo earlier coz Obito would see it with his rinnegan, but then Obito went to Kamui world to help Naruto, allowing Madara to use Limbo again, and yet he didn't.

He didn't use PS either for whatever reason.
 

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Even Gates couldn't get near him.

People have selective memory and quickly discard the fact that Minato took away Madara's main offense and defense to give Gai an advantage (teleported all Madara's truth seeking balls) and that Kakashi kamuid the omnyoudon barrier that Madara put up for himself so that Gai can land a hit.

They also forget that had he chosen to, Madara could have pawned Gai with Limbo.

He stated that he didn't use Limbo earlier coz Obito would see it with his rinnegan, but then Obito went to Kamui world to help Naruto, allowing Madara to use Limbo again, and yet he didn't.

He didn't use PS either for whatever reason.
Tbh, you’re the one with selective memory. If Gai teleported all of Madara’s TSB, what did Madara launch at Gai as he laid dying and what did Madara use to block RSM Naruto’s speed blitz?
 
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