Madara = SO6P ?

[Chīkara]

Now what I see is that people really are overhyping the sage
with saying yea he soloed the Juubi he is so godlike etc.

But people forgot that..

1. Obito gathered the Biju's and quite easily controlled the Juubi ( Yes I know the 8 and 9 tails where not in there)
But the fact that he was able to use a instant sealing jutsu and control the Juubi within minutes is a huge feat.

2. For Madara this guy is up there and if not above the sage because lets be honest, we all know that the biggest feat of the sage was defeating the Juubi a ''godlike monster who can swallow oceans'' the fact that Madara can solo
9 biju's with 1 eye is a Huge feat I firmly believe that madara is equal to the sage or the sage would win with
EXTREMELY high difficulty.

And you can't go with ABC logic because he might beat the Jubi but the same does not apply with Madara.

I like Madara but this is not a fanboy thread the fact that people underestimate Madara and incredibly overestimate the S06P is just not OK.

He defeated the Juubi and was the first shinobi So ?? that doesn't mean he can be surpassed FFS.

2 rinnegan Madara => SO6P untill more plot development​

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[miromiro]

We're not overestimating the Rikudou Sennin, you're just underestimating him.
A guy who can create the moon on his deathbed after extracting the Juubi and spreading 9 Bijuu across the world can't be compared who got played football by the Bijuu couple chapters ago. He used a jutsu to push them all away but that's about it, kinda like Shinra Tensei. Also, you may be with the Edo Madara image in your mind, but he doesn't have infinite chakra anymore to simply summon 2 meteors or be immortal. Madara already lost his arm since becoming alive, and weren't it for Zetsu, he'd be armless now.

And don't compare sealing the Juubi or controlling it with defeating it. The Rikudou Sennin had to defeat it to seal it. And that with a risky new tech Ninshuu which might have easily failed.

 

[Ver55e]

We havn't seen the SO6P fight or his skill . And we can't rely on mythology of him. So nobody has prove that madara is = to so6p :stfu:

 

[- J AV -]

I think that sage > current maddy

 

[Chīkara]

We're not overestimating the Rikudou Sennin, you're just underestimating him.
A guy who can create the moon on his deathbed after extracting the Juubi and spreading 9 Bijuu across the world can't be compared who got played football by the Bijuu couple chapters ago. He used a jutsu to push them all away but that's about it, kinda like Shinra Tensei. Also, you may be with the Edo Madara image in your mind, but he doesn't have infinite chakra anymore to simply summon 2 meteors or be immortal. Madara already lost his arm since becoming alive, and weren't it for Zetsu, he'd be armless now.

And don't compare sealing the Juubi or controlling it with defeating it. The Rikudou Sennin had to defeat it to seal it. And that with a risky new tech Ninshuu which might have easily failed.

The Júbi is easily controlled by Obito so it isn't a big feat. as for madara.

This guy has

Enternal Mangekyo sharingan .
Rinnegan.
Sennin Modo.
Mokuton.
Instant heal.

Enternal Mangekyo sharingan Madara was able to fight 24 hours with Hashirama.
he already had a huge chakra pool now he even have senju DNA AND sennin Modo.

This guy can fight for days.
He really is equal to the sage as of now. If not he will surpass him when he seal the Jubi.

 

[Avinash012]

Any version of Sage > Any version of Madara.

 

[GreyWizard93]

Mecha madara >>> so6p. U.U

 

[miromiro]

The Júbi is easily controlled by Obito so it isn't a big feat. as for madara.

This guy has

Enternal Mangekyo sharingan .
Rinnegan.
Sennin Modo.
Mokuton.
Instant heal.

Enternal Mangekyo sharingan Madara was able to fight 24 hours with Hashirama.
he already had a huge chakra pool now he even have senju DNA AND sennin Modo.

This guy can fight for days.
He really is equal to the sage as of now. If not he will surpass him when he seal the Jubi.

The Rikudou Sennin was Senju+Uchiha, so it's safe to assume he had healing, Mokuton and all that. He didn't need Sharingan because that's the eye of the evil, the manifestation of the Juubi. The Sage was pure, he had the Rinnegan which basically, if used correctly, can stomp the Sharingan. The Rinnegan is the eye of God, an empyrean eye, while the Sharingan is the eye of humans, of shinobi, of fighters. The Rikudou Sennin having Sage Mode too is just too obvious. Fighting the Juubi and winning is harder than fighting Hashirama and losing, even if that's your purpose. The fact that he fought 24 hours doesn't cut it, the Sage might have fought weeks. Juubi can't be compared to Hashirama. And assuming that he's equal to the Sage is just either wishful thinking or fanboyism. Since, not only we haven't seen his powers, but we also don't know the Juubi Jinchuuriki power. What Obito showed is a weaker incomplete Juubi Jinchuuriki. And since the Sage was able to defeat the Juubi, we can safely assume that his powers were bigger than the Juubi's.
So to conclude...

Any version of Sage > Any version of Madara.

 

[Meee]

We don't know anything about Rikudou

There is no point in comparing him to anyone.

 

[Ventalus]

It is hard to compare Madara with a character we have seen no action with. Rikudou Sennin is stated to be the strongest and so will he be.

Rikudou Sennin > Madara

 

[-Punk-]

Haven't seen anything from the Sage & I'm already sick of him . Madara > Sage .

 

[omarsen]

The Rikudou Sennin was Senju+Uchiha, so it's safe to assume he had healing, Mokuton and all that. He didn't need Sharingan because that's the eye of the evil, the manifestation of the Juubi. The Sage was pure, he had the Rinnegan which basically, if used correctly, can stomp the Sharingan. The Rinnegan is the eye of God, an empyrean eye, while the Sharingan is the eye of humans, of shinobi, of fighters. The Rikudou Sennin having Sage Mode too is just too obvious. Fighting the Juubi and winning is harder than fighting Hashirama and losing, even if that's your purpose. The fact that he fought 24 hours doesn't cut it, the Sage might have fought weeks. Juubi can't be compared to Hashirama. And assuming that he's equal to the Sage is just either wishful thinking or fanboyism. Since, not only we haven't seen his powers, but we also don't know the Juubi Jinchuuriki power. What Obito showed is a weaker incomplete Juubi Jinchuuriki. And since the Sage was able to defeat the Juubi, we can safely assume that his powers were bigger than the Juubi's.
So to conclude...

Getting real tired of your sht.

Madara = SO6P period

SO6P was born lucky, he didn't fight for sht, he was naturally gifted with rinnegan and the host of uchiha + senju

Madara who he failed hard, but yet kept pushing, died and got back to life. Now he got perfect young body + he stole the sage chakra from hashirama. After what Madara has been though he equally SO6P.

 

[SIR UZMAKIMADARA]

Now what I see is that people really are overhyping the sage
with saying yea he soloed the Juubi he is so godlike etc.

But people forgot that..

1. Obito gathered the Biju's and quite easily controlled the Juubi ( Yes I know the 8 and 9 tails where not in there)
But the fact that he was able to use a instant sealing jutsu and control the Juubi within minutes is a huge feat.

2. For Madara this guy is up there and if not above the sage because lets be honest, we all know that the biggest feat of the sage was defeating the Juubi a ''godlike monster who can swallow oceans'' the fact that Madara can solo
9 biju's with 1 eye is a Huge feat I firmly believe that madara is equal to the sage or the sage would win with
EXTREMELY high difficulty.

And you can't go with ABC logic because he might beat the Jubi but the same does not apply with Madara.

I like Madara but this is not a fanboy thread the fact that people underestimate Madara and incredibly overestimate the S06P is just not OK.

He defeated the Juubi and was the first shinobi So ?? that doesn't mean he can be surpassed FFS.

2 rinnegan Madara => SO6P untill more plot development​

SAGE > ALL NV

Sage alone without stealing other's powers defeated JUUBI
SAGE awakened rinnegan without waiting for 80-90 years
Sage created ninjutsu
Sage divided juubi into 9 bijuus

 

[miromiro]

Getting real tired of your sht.

Madara = SO6P period

SO6P was born lucky, he didn't fight for sht, he was naturally gifted with rinnegan and the host of uchiha + senju

Madara who he failed hard, but yet kept pushing, died and got back to life. Now he got perfect young body + he stole the sage chakra from hashirama. After what Madara has been though he equally SO6P.

I'm also tired of your shit. Do you remember this post of yours?

Yep you are right about that, I kinda hyped Madara too much :XDD

This is a reply to one of my posts where I proved you that Madara didn't defy death. It was

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. Back then you admitted you over-hyped Madara, which leads me to conclude that you're doing the same thing now.

Also, being lucky doesn't have anything to do with anything. We're talking here about each of them power-wise, not luck-wise. Besides, being born lucky? Yes, very lucky, to have to defeat the biggest monster of the planet all by yourself. Also, in the recent chapters it was stated that he awakened the Rinnegan, not born with it. Madara kept pushing? Yeah, stealing powers from everyone. First Senju DNA, now Hashirama's Senjutsu. Don't compare fighting with Hashirama being the same as fighting the Juubi. He discovered the truth about chakra, so this is another hard-pushing. Also, it was nowhere stated that he is equal to the Rikudou Sennin, so this is just something you assume.

 

[omarsen]

I'm also tired of your shit. Do you remember this post of yours?


This is a reply to one of my posts where I proved you that Madara didn't defy death. It was

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. Back then you admitted you over-hyped Madara, which leads me to conclude that you're doing the same thing now.

Also, being lucky doesn't have anything to do with anything. We're talking here about each of them power-wise, not luck-wise. Besides, being born lucky? Yes, very lucky, to have to defeat the biggest monster of the planet all by yourself. Also, in the recent chapters it was stated that he awakened the Rinnegan, not born with it. Madara kept pushing? Yeah, stealing powers from everyone. First Senju DNA, now Hashirama's Senjutsu. Don't compare fighting with Hashirama being the same as fighting the Juubi. He discovered the truth about chakra, so this is another hard-pushing. Also, it was nowhere stated that he is equal to the Rikudou Sennin, so this is just something you assume.

Yep that was me said that, but now i over thought about it and found Madara =< SO6P.

He didn't discover the chakra his Mom did. He didn't discover/do sht, it was al his mom, so he is a mama boy.

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Yep he is VERY LUCKY to be born this gifted and talented, and taught everything from his mom, BORN with Rinnegan.

Here are 4 hokages fodderize the juubi.

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Conclusion: Madara earned his power though hard work, and highest level of intelligence with a brilliant plan.

Meanwhile SO6P ate a fruit and became god= gg wp

 

[miromiro]

It was the Rikudou Sennin who "gave birth to ninjutsu itself" through his knowledge and skills. He has worked hard to achieve knowledge in order to invent Ninshuu, and his skills to do it are also hard-work.

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And haha, in the exact scan that you posted, Madara states clearly that HE is the "first who unveiled the secrets of chakra and of ninjutsu" so saying Kaguya is the one who did all this is basically denying Manga facts. He was taught everything from his mom? Taught what if he was the one who DISCOVERED and UNVEILED the secrets of chakra? Born with Rinnegan? I thought I already explained you that he wasn't born but awakened it. Fodderize the Juubi? Fodderizing means defeating, beating with upper power, not controlling it with a trick like that.

Only because he may have been born with these powers doesn't cut the fact that he's more powerful than Madara.

 

[omarsen]

It was the Rikudou Sennin who "gave birth to ninjutsu itself" through his knowledge and skills. He has worked hard to achieve knowledge in order to invent Ninshuu, and his skills to do it are also hard-work.

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And haha, in the exact scan that you posted, Madara states clearly that HE is the "first who unveiled the secrets of chakra and of ninjutsu" so saying Kaguya is the one who did all this is basically denying Manga facts. He was taught everything from his mom? Taught what if he was the one who DISCOVERED and UNVEILED the secrets of chakra? Born with Rinnegan? I thought I already explained you that he wasn't born but awakened it. Fodderize the Juubi? Fodderizing means defeating, beating with upper power, not controlling it with a trick like that.

Only because he may have been born with these powers doesn't cut the fact that he's more powerful than Madara.

How could he possible "awaken" the Rinnegan? He was already born with it, we can asume that because his mom ate the fruit, untill manga says otherwise.
There again you mostly comparing only POWER wise.

They are edo's, if they kept doing what they were doing for awhile, they would have controlled it. Madara & Obito was huge threat back then.

LOL, you give a scan where Jiariya said something? who is he again? was he the one who read the tablet? no therefore Madara facts > Jiariya facts

Madara didn't say anything about him "unveiled the chakra" Read the scan again.

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Conclusion. Madara's hard work+masterplan > SO6P


Edit: I agree with you power based, If SO6P comes back to live, in any given state, he would break Madara's neck neg diff.

But intelligence + hard work wise madara > SO6P

 

[miromiro]

It has been stated here clearly in the 659th chapter that the Sage awoke the Rinnegan just like Madara. Awakening it doesn't mean being born with it.

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His mother ate the fruit, however it wasn't stated that she had Rinnegan, thus it doesn't lead towards a theory of Hagoromo being born with it. And exactly because they're Edos they're able to do that. Were they not, the chakra of them would have been used and would remain less to fight Madara. And even if Jirayia hadn't read the tablet, what he says isn't bullshit. The scan you showed me isn't the one I was referring to. Here's the picture of the whole page:

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Take a look at the bottom left tablet of that page. It clearly says "the first one who unveiled the secrets of chakra and of ninjutsu" - don't confuse it. Explaining and understanding it like Hagoromo did isn't the same as using it like Kaguya, without really knowing how it works. But then again, we can't really count this, since we still don't know what powers Kaguya used. Madara says the same thing as Jirayia, that the Sage was the one to create ninjutsu, with his skills and knowledge, meaning that he was extremely wise to discover and understand chakra, a new concept to this world.

Madara's hard work? Yeah, stealing one's DNA, implanting in yours, and stealing someone else's Sage Mode. If he was that wise why didn't he learn Senjutsu himself instead of stealing it? Masterplan? Sure, he was very smart to set up such a plan that would go on after his death. But then again, what Rikudou Sennin did is on a different level. He was able to foreshadow that there will be a time when the Bijuu will be one again, that the Juubi might be revived.

That's about it. But then again, why did you bring this here? You say that I'm talking power-wise, but actually, this topic is related to power, not intelligence. You're the one who brought intelligence matters here. If you agree with me that power-wise he's above Madara, why do you even need to argue about a different subject?

 

[KCMNaruto]

Now what I see is that people really are overhyping the sage
with saying yea he soloed the Juubi he is so godlike etc.

But people forgot that..

1. Obito gathered the Biju's and quite easily controlled the Juubi ( Yes I know the 8 and 9 tails where not in there)
But the fact that he was able to use a instant sealing jutsu and control the Juubi within minutes is a huge feat.

2. For Madara this guy is up there and if not above the sage because lets be honest, we all know that the biggest feat of the sage was defeating the Juubi a ''godlike monster who can swallow oceans'' the fact that Madara can solo
9 biju's with 1 eye is a Huge feat I firmly believe that madara is equal to the sage or the sage would win with
EXTREMELY high difficulty.

And you can't go with ABC logic because he might beat the Jubi but the same does not apply with Madara.

I like Madara but this is not a fanboy thread the fact that people underestimate Madara and incredibly overestimate the S06P is just not OK.

He defeated the Juubi and was the first shinobi So ?? that doesn't mean he can be surpassed FFS.

2 rinnegan Madara => SO6P untill more plot development​

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Fine, let me play in the same game as you

Manga facts about Sage of six paths:

1) First human to discover chakra and create Ninjutsu
2) ALONE DEFEATED COMPLETE FINAL FORM Ten tails beast then sealed it WITH NOT HELP
3) AT HIS DEATH BED SPLIT TEN TAILS BEASTS INTO NINE PARTS AND five them form while sending empty Ten tails's body into space creating The Moon.(Massive Chibaku Tensei)
4) Kabuto called Edo Tensei Madara's Tengai Shinsei(meteorite technique) A FRAGMENT OF GOD's power while comparing to SOSP.
5) Kabuto was reffering to SOSP when he claimed to be the strongest man in the world
6) Everyone tried to recreate SOSP's power that how powerfull and almighty he was.
7) Created Nunoboko sword to shape the world how he wish to.
8) Created five treasured tools which can godly powers.
9) Nagato called his Chibaku Tensei being nothing in compre to SOSp's Moon
10) Never lost to anyone or never needed any help in his life.

^^ These all 10 hard manga facts prove your wrong. SOSP's can never recieve enough hype and credit as he has unlimited potential and could be Kishimoto's himself in NV universe.

SOSP is NV God, deal with it

 

[Tera Path]

The Juubi that the Sage fought was weaker, it kind of looked like the 1st stage of the Juubi when it was revived.

Obito also sealed a weaker Juubi, still was a good feat.


Juubi>9 Bijuu.

Only reason the Juubi could swallow oceans was because it was a tree that needed water and it has to do photosynthesis.