[VS] Madara>Sasuke

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I have seen too many people say Sasuke is stronger than Madara and can beat Madara so I just had to say something about it.

Katons

The Uchiha clans signature element,out of all the Uchiha's Madara has shown the most powerful Katon's in the manga and has shown some of the largest Katon's and his Fire Release: Great Fire Annihilation took multiple Water users to stop this jutsu [ ] while Sasuke's most powerful Katon the Fire Release: Great Dragon Fire Technique is a powerful tech but is nowhere as powerful as Madara's tech [ ].

Taijutsu

Both Uchiha are good Taijutsu but Madara grew up in war and fought nearly everyday also he could even guard himself against a kick from Tsunade who had suddenly appeared on the battlefield and later defended himself against A's punch while the latter was clad in his Lightning Release Armour, without being protected by Susanoo on either occasion and Sasuke has good Taijutsu skills himself but his preferred style of fighting is kenjutsu. Also Madara has better reflexes than Sasuke being able to block A's punch and Tsunade's kick without Susano'o [[U [/U]].

Stamina

Madara possess great stamina being able to fight for a whole day against the Senju clan [[U [/U]] and was able to fight against Hashirama at the VOTE in a long and fierce battle, Sasuke has a fair amount of Stamina himself but he feels alot of drawbacks from using his Mangeyko Sharingan and we have seen EMS Madara use his Susano'o and haven't seen him display any drawbacks such as Sasuke has.

Intelligence

Madara has had years of battle experience and has displayed his intelligence in cases as placing the Susano'o army on the Kyuubi to make his defence even stronger and quickly finds counters to jutsu's aside from his battle skills, Madara has also displayed high-level intellect, as well as strategic and manipulative skills. He is able to create elaborate plans that span across decades such as the Eye of the Moon and setting up various pawns by playing with and twisting their own ideals, feelings and goals, in order to aid him through direct or indirect ways, such as Obito and Nagato respectively and He is also an adept tactician as seen when he preferred to use the Ten-Tails's matured powers to destroy the Allied Forces HQ in order to cripple their intelligence centre, rather than directly engaging the Allied Forces army. Madara is also versed in psychological warfare, choosing to focus his efforts into breaking his the battle spirits of his adversaries through manipulation and intimidation with deliberate displays of his overwhelming power. He targets the enemies that have the greatest charisma and leadership skills of a group, such as Ōnoki and Naruto on separate occasions and is rarely caugt off guard. Sasuke is a genius himself being able to fool Danzo who had years of battle experience into thinking he still had a Sharingan open and that Inzanagi was still active and has been praised by multiple shinobi such as Orochimaru [[U [/U]]
about how smart he is but Madara's intelligence is higher than Sasuke as Madara is more knowledgeable about Sharingan techniques compared to Sasuke and most likely knows counters for most for Sasuke's MS Techs and Madara's Susano'o is stronger than Sasuke's as Madara's Susano'o was able to tank a Bijuudama while Sasuke's Susano'o could have gotten destroyed by Danzo's Fuuton jutsu.

Conclusion

They are both powerful Shinobi but Sasuke isn't on Madara's level yet as Madara's Susano'o destroys mountains with ease and his Susano'o towers over Sasuke's plus Madara has more powerful Katon's, is better in Taijutsu and is smarter and more knowledgeable in battle than Sasuke.
 

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I thought this obvious, but the Stamina part was wrong......the MS takes a lot Chakra and puts Pain in your body which is why Sasuke had a low Stamina back then, but the EMS increases your Chakra and doesn't take the much Chakra from the use of your techniques and it won't put that much of Pain in to your body.
 
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Katons

The Uchiha clans signature element,out of all the Uchiha's Madara has shown the most powerful Katon's in the manga and has shown some of the largest Katon's and his Fire Release: Great Fire Annihilation took multiple Water users to stop this jutsu [ ] while Sasuke's most powerful Katon the Fire Release: Great Dragon Fire Technique is a powerful tech but is nowhere as powerful as Madara's tech [ ].

Taijutsu

Both Uchiha are good Taijutsu but Madara grew up in war and fought nearly everyday also he could even guard himself against a kick from Tsunade who had suddenly appeared on the battlefield and later defended himself against A's punch while the latter was clad in his Lightning Release Armour, without being protected by Susanoo on either occasion and Sasuke has good Taijutsu skills himself but his preferred style of fighting is kenjutsu. Also Madara has better reflexes than Sasuke being able to block A's punch and Tsunade's kick without Susano'o [[U [/U]].

that was EDO MADARA wid infinite chakra we do not know if non edo madara's fire style was so effective and

if yes ..... it wud consume a lot of chakra

the same applies to taijutsu too..........

--- agree wid you abt the better reflexes ---

ofc just like you said madara's fire style is superior to sasuke's but not to the extent we saw in edo tensei mode ......



Stamina

Madara possess great stamina being able to fight for a whole day against the Senju clan [[U [/U]] and was able to fight against Hashirama at the VOTE in a long and fierce battle, Sasuke has a fair amount of Stamina himself but he feels alot of drawbacks from using his Mangeyko Sharingan and we have seen EMS Madara use his Susano'o and haven't seen him display any drawbacks such as Sasuke has.

just like madara fought wid senju for a whole day ... even sasuke has shown great feats of stamina when he had MS he fought the kages at the summit and later fought danzo .... and even managed to hold of kakashi until obito arrived
..and iam sure EMS sasuke will be able to fight for a longer time as EMS allows the user to weild it with a smooth chakra consumption ......

again the the susnaoo feats shown by EMS madara is in the EDO TENSEI mode which cant pe applied to non edo madara


Intelligence

Madara has had years of battle experience and has displayed his intelligence in cases as placing the Susano'o army on the Kyuubi to make his defence even stronger and quickly finds counters to jutsu's aside from his battle skills, Madara has also displayed high-level intellect, as well as strategic and manipulative skills. He is able to create elaborate plans that span across decades such as the Eye of the Moon and setting up various pawns by playing with and twisting their own ideals, feelings and goals, in order to aid him through direct or indirect ways, such as Obito and Nagato respectively and He is also an adept tactician as seen when he preferred to use the Ten-Tails's matured powers to destroy the Allied Forces HQ in order to cripple their intelligence centre, rather than directly engaging the Allied Forces army. Madara is also versed in psychological warfare, choosing to focus his efforts into breaking his the battle spirits of his adversaries through manipulation and intimidation with deliberate displays of his overwhelming power. He targets the enemies that have the greatest charisma and leadership skills of a group, such as Ōnoki and Naruto on separate occasions and is rarely caugt off guard. Sasuke is a genius himself being able to fool Danzo who had years of battle experience into thinking he still had a Sharingan open and that Inzanagi was still active and has been praised by multiple shinobi such as Orochimaru [[U [/U]]
about how smart he is but Madara's intelligence is higher than Sasuke as Madara is more knowledgeable about Sharingan techniques compared to Sasuke and most likely knows counters for most for Sasuke's MS Techs and Madara's Susano'o is stronger than Sasuke's as Madara's Susano'o was able to tank a Bijuudama while Sasuke's Susano'o could have gotten destroyed by Danzo's Fuuton jutsu.

totally agree wid ya abt the intelligence


Conclusion

They are both powerful Shinobi but Sasuke isn't on Madara's level yet as Madara's Susano'o destroys mountains with ease and his Susano'o towers over Sasuke's plus Madara has more powerful Katon's, is better in Taijutsu and is smarter and more knowledgeable in battle than Sasuke.

madaras katon is better than sasuke's but not to an overwhelming extent besides sasuke has raiton and amaterasu unlike madara

madara exceeds sasuke in taijutsu , reflexes and intelligence and also possess a more durable susanoo --- which you have already mentioned

i feel madar wins this fight ..... high diff though


also we do not know if after transplantation of itachis eye sasukes susanoo can weild yata and totsuka -----

if yes i feel sasuke can stomp madara --


PS = great thread .... and plz dont flame me ..... :win:
 
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Are you serious man?

I thought this obvious, but the Stamina part was wrong......the MS takes a lot Chakra and puts Pain in your body which is why Sasuke had a low Stamina back then, but the EMS increases your Chakra and doesn't take the much Chakra from the use of your techniques and it won't put that much of Pain in to your body.

Believe it or not most people think Sasuke would "destory" Madara.
 

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What?
EMS Madara alone is so far above EMS Sasuke it's laughable that people would think otherwise.
I guess they think Edo Madara is trying :|
The fact that EMS Madara could compete with Hashirama says more than enough.
 

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that was EDO MADARA wid infinite chakra we do not know if non edo madara's fire style was so effective and

if yes ..... it wud consume a lot of chakra

the same applies to taijutsu too..........

--- agree wid you abt the better reflexes ---

ofc just like you said madara's fire style is superior to sasuke's but not to the extent we saw in edo tensei mode ......





just like madara fought wid senju for a whole day ... even sasuke has shown great feats of stamina when he had MS he fought the kages at the summit and later fought danzo .... and even managed to hold of kakashi until obito arrived
..and iam sure EMS sasuke will be able to fight for a longer time as EMS allows the user to weild it with a smooth chakra consumption ......

again the the susnaoo feats shown by EMS madara is in the EDO TENSEI mode which cant pe applied to non edo madara




totally agree wid ya abt the intelligence




madaras katon is better than sasuke's but not to an overwhelming extent besides sasuke has raiton and amaterasu unlike madara

madara exceeds sasuke in taijutsu , reflexes and intelligence and also possess a more durable susanoo --- which you have already mentioned

i feel madar wins this fight ..... high diff though


also we do not know if after transplantation of itachis eye sasukes susanoo can weild yata and totsuka -----

if yes i feel sasuke can stomp madara --


PS = great thread .... and plz dont flame me ..... :win:

Sasuke was healed by Karin as Obito made him take a break before he fought Danzo also we have seen EMS Madara fight Hashirama at the VOTE and he didn't look fatigued at all [ ]plus he was able to put his Susano'o armour on the Kyuubi and when he was about to engage Hashirama and other Senju's in battle he used his Susano'o [ ]
And also the Senju he fought for an entire day included Hashirama(Who could solo the 5 kage) and Tobirama the two strongest Senju.
 
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Only a fanboy would disagree with this.
Madara >>> Sasuke
 

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Yeah I too feel currently Madara is more powerful than Sasuke.... Sasuke will eventually surpass Madara.... :D :D
Though it's a bit obvious Bro.... :D :D
 
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