Madara, Sasuke and Itachi fans only...

[lucario14]

Minato only showed 1 intelligent feat and that was vs a 14/16 year old Obito.

/debate

Yes it was torture. Using Tsukuyomi IS torture you moron. Go and read the manga again(since I don't like posting scans) Then there was the hotel torture when Itachi returned to Konoha(when he tortured Sasuke-again for 24 hours!). And yes, he was an idiot since torturing Sasuke was one of the reasons why he became a supervillain. I won't even mention torturing Kakashi for 72 hours(one of Konoha's top jounin). He was also a villain for trying to make Sasuke a puppet via KA.(none of those things are what smart guys or good guys do) Try again.

Lol this guy...@bold it's what a conceited uchiha would do.

 

[Complex]

My bad, you have a point there, Complex. ChocolateVanilla, I will get back to you later.

No.. I barely know much depth about the series, I just watch it for fun XD
But it will be nice to see what are next debate will be about lol

 

[Trúth]

Did he even refer to Naruto in that scan? No, he didn't.
Minato is a sensor, and that scan proves it, unless you read selectively.

I could throw that right back at you. It only proves that he is a sensor if you read selectively.
But I don't need to. I'll just ask how does being a sensor help if he doesn't know he's trapped?

 

[PhantomChainGunner]

Yes it was torture. Using Tsukuyomi IS torture you moron. Go and read the manga again(since I don't like posting scans) Then there was the hotel torture when Itachi returned to Konoha(when he tortured Sasuke-again for 24 hours!). And yes, he was an idiot since torturing Sasuke was one of the reasons why he became a supervillain. I won't even mention torturing Kakashi for 72 hours(one of Konoha's top jounin). He was also a villain for trying to make Sasuke a puppet via KA.(none of those things are what smart guys or good guys do) Try again.

No, that wasn't his intentions to make sasuke a puppet. You read the manga. During Bee, Nagato Edo, Itachi Edo, Naruto KCM fight, he specifically said: " Where's Sasuke?!" Naruto responds: "He joined the Akatsuki and wants to destroy the Leaf!" Itachi then says: " Why hasn't he returned to the Leaf?!" He knew Sasuke left because of him. That's why he purposely let Sasuke kill him for EMS and go back to Konoha. He hid the truth from Sasuke so he won't go after the leaf. That was his whole purpose. He was Never a villain or an idiot. He only wanted to protect the leaf and make sasuke stronger so Sasuke can carry that out. And also, like said, he is a rogue ninja. to a rogue ninja there is no innocence cuz they have no village. so cut the torturing parts right out. You Try again.

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

I could throw that right back at you. It only proves that he is a sensor if you read selectively.
But I don't need to. I'll just ask how does being a sensor help if he doesn't know he's trapped?

Sensors are able to detect chakra amirite?
They are able to tell apart different chakra signatures.
If Minato's chakra signature feels different, he'll know he's in a genjutsu.

 

[Trúth]

Sensors are able to detect chakra amirite?
They are able to tell apart different chakra signatures.
If Minato's chakra signature feels different, he'll know he's in a genjutsu.

That's not the case though. Your own scan proves it. He has to check which he won't bother to because Itachi's genjutsu is that good. He won't know:bouncy:

 

[PhantomChainGunner]

Sensors are able to detect chakra amirite?
They are able to tell apart different chakra signatures.
If Minato's chakra signature feels different, he'll know he's in a genjutsu.

Since my opponent quit, I'll assure you he can't escape tsukiyomi. it traps you, and Itachi got susanoo. totsuka blade one hit ko. Minato finished.

 

[PhantomChainGunner]

That's not the case though. Your own scan proves it. He has to check which he won't bother to because Itachi's genjutsu is that good. He won't know:bouncy:

And that too. LOL

 

[Complex]

Since this thread been moved to the chatterbox, the replies decreased

 

[Trúth]

Well that was fun. It's too bad the whole base wasn't here to see me prove that Itachi beats Minato.

 

[Avani]

Yes it was torture. Using Tsukuyomi IS torture . Go and read the manga again(since I don't like posting scans) Then there was the hotel torture when Itachi returned to Konoha(when he tortured Sasuke-again for 24 hours!). And yes, he was an idiot since torturing Sasuke was one of the reasons why he became a supervillain. I won't even mention torturing Kakashi for 72 hours(one of Konoha's top jounin). He was also a villain for trying to make Sasuke a puppet via KA.(none of those things are what smart guys or good guys do) Try again.

In normal circumstances yes, I would agree. But you have to pay attention on Itachi's circumstances too. He was with Kisame who didn't know Itachi had left his brother alive. When Sasuke suddenly appeared then only he found it out. Someone like Kisame was not likely to not ask questions if Itachi was going to be nice to him. Not to mention rest of Konoha also needed to see him as a villain or again people would suspect. Secondly and more importantly- Sasuke needed to learn the scope of sharingan to unlock them faster. With the whole clan gone it took Sasuke quite a while to realize he had awakened sharingan. His early progress was not that fast. Itachi showed him how much more he could do with his eyes and how much the gap was. Sasuke was terribly underestimating him at that point.

If you think back Kakshi too gained MS ages ago along with Obito when Rin died. But he didn't realize what he had and if he could use it till Itachi used it on him. Only after being put in tsukoyomi he trained his eye further than just copying other techs or using it to fix his raikiri. Hokage might have made him in charge of only other remaining sharingan but he didn't know that much about it himself to train Sasuke more at the time.

Itachi even then had few options to keep his facade up and still leave hints to Sasuke. He needed to do enough to shut Kisame up and not let others suspect him. Akatsuki back then would have made him toast if his game was known or suspected.

In the end they are all shinobies in a shonnen manga. Itachi was leading ANBU almost around round same age.

You guys make things complicated and always judge the verse in the manga with your own rl ... Sometimes I wonder how come we are not getting threads demanding to know why child labour is not illegal and they are even allowed to go on dangerous missions when they were under 18. :|

 

[Trúth]

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In normal circumstances yes, I would agree. But you have to pay attention on Itachi's circumstances too. He was with Kisame who didn't know Itachi had left his brother alive. When Sasuke suddenly appeared then only he found it out. Someone like Kisame was not likely to not ask questions if Itachi was going to be nice to him. Not to mention rest of Konoha also needed to see him as a villain or again people would suspect. Secondly and more importantly- Sasuke needed to learn the scope of sharingan to unlock them faster. With the whole clan gone it took Sasuke quite a while to realize he had awakened sharingan. His early progress was not that fast. Itachi showed him how much more he could do with his eyes and how much the gap was.

If you think back Kakshi too gained MS ages ago along with Obito when rin died. But he didn't realize what he had and if he could use it till Itachi used it on him. Only after being put in tsukoyomi he trained his eye further than just copying other techs or using it to fix his raikiri. Itachi even then had few options to keep his facade up. He needed to do enough to shut Kisame up and not let others suspect him. Akatsuki back then would have made him toast if his game was known or suspected.

In the end they are all shinobies in a shonnen manga. Itachi was leading ANBU almost around round same age.

You guys make things complicated... Sometimes I wonder how come we are not getting threads demanding to know why child labour was allowed and they were even allowed to go on dangerous missions when they were under 18. :|

Saved. I'll be using this on USSJ Trunks.

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

Since my opponent quit, I'll assure you he can't escape tsukiyomi. it traps you, and Itachi got susanoo. totsuka blade one hit ko. Minato finished.

Lol

That's not the case though. Your own scan proves it. He has to check which he won't bother to because Itachi's genjutsu is that good. He won't know:bouncy:

Since when was Itachi that good?
If he was, he could have easily genjutsu'd Jiraiya.
When he does it to a Kage level contender, then he is >Minato

 

[Conspirator.]

In normal circumstances yes, I would agree. But you have to pay attention on Itachi's circumstances too. He was with Kisame who didn't know Itachi had left his brother alive. When Sasuke suddenly appeared then only he found it out. Someone like Kisame was not likely to not ask questions if Itachi was going to be nice to him. Not to mention rest of Konoha also needed to see him as a villain or again people would suspect. Secondly and more importantly- Sasuke needed to learn the scope of sharingan to unlock them faster. With the whole clan gone it took Sasuke quite a while to realize he had awakened sharingan. His early progress was not that fast. Itachi showed him how much more he could do with his eyes and how much the gap was. Sasuke was terribly underestimating him at that point.

If you think back Kakshi too gained MS ages ago along with Obito when rin died. But he didn't realize what he had and if he could use it till Itachi used it on him. Only after being put in tsukoyomi he trained his eye further than just copying other techs or using it to fix his raikiri. Itachi even then had few options to keep his facade up. He needed to do enough to shut Kisame up and not let others suspect him. Akatsuki back then would have made him toast if his game was known or suspected.

In the end they are all shinobies in a shonnen manga. Itachi was leading ANBU almost around round same age.

You guys make things complicated... Sometimes I wonder how come we are not getting threads demanding to know why child labour was allowed and they were even allowed to go on dangerous missions when they were under 18. :|

So on a scale of 1 to 10, how good was I at imitating USSJ? Lol, but seriously you are right.

 

[Trúth]

Lol

Since when was Itachi that good?
If he was, he could have easily genjutsu'd Jiraiya.
When he does it to a Kage level contender, then he is >Minato

But he could have easily genjusu'd Jiraiya. He just didn't.
Do you consider Orochimaru not to be Kage level?

 

[PhantomChainGunner]

In normal circumstances yes, I would agree. But you have to pay attention on Itachi's circumstances too. He was with Kisame who didn't know Itachi had left his brother alive. When Sasuke suddenly appeared then only he found it out. Someone like Kisame was not likely to not ask questions if Itachi was going to be nice to him. Not to mention rest of Konoha also needed to see him as a villain or again people would suspect. Secondly and more importantly- Sasuke needed to learn the scope of sharingan to unlock them faster. With the whole clan gone it took Sasuke quite a while to realize he had awakened sharingan. His early progress was not that fast. Itachi showed him how much more he could do with his eyes and how much the gap was. Sasuke was terribly underestimating him at that point.

If you think back Kakshi too gained MS ages ago along with Obito when rin died. But he didn't realize what he had and if he could use it till Itachi used it on him. Only after being put in tsukoyomi he trained his eye further than just copying other techs or using it to fix his raikiri. Itachi even then had few options to keep his facade up. He needed to do enough to shut Kisame up and not let others suspect him. Akatsuki back then would have made him toast if his game was known or suspected.

In the end they are all shinobies in a shonnen manga. Itachi was leading ANBU almost around round same age.

You guys make things complicated... Sometimes I wonder how come we are not getting threads demanding to know why child labour was allowed and they were even allowed to go on dangerous missions when they were under 18. :|

That was extremely, beautifully put down, but you're a little on him, I already booted him back to the mangas. I couldn't have said it that good though. I woulda took him out in one post! Lol

 

[Conspirator.]

The problem with genjutsu is not breaking out of it-unless it's Tsukuyomi or advanced paralysis genjutsu. It's the fact that in the period that you are breaking the genjutsu, you are a sitting duck who is open to attack. Orochimaru was actually resisting Itachi's genjutsu(it was one of his weaker ones) but when he was about to break it Itachi chopped off his arm.(it could have easily been his head). Minato will have to avoid Itachi's genjutsu outright if he is to win IMO.(although there are ways he can do it)

 

[Trúth]

Lol it's so fun being right. Tell why he couldn't have used genjustu on Jiraiya right here please.

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[PhantomChainGunner]

Lol it's so fun being right. Tell why he couldn't have used genjustu on Jiraiya right here please.

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Ya Serious? Ya just love being right don't you?

 

[Avani]

Saved. I'll be using this on USSJ Trunks.

So on a scale of 1 to 10, how good was I at imitating USSJ? Lol, but seriously you are right.

~_~;


Leave that one alone. He is in a Izanami loop. He will come out of it only when he changes his ways. We cannot help him.