Madara + Sage mode shenanigans

[valandil988]

I read this chapter and I was like wtf?

Madara randomly knows how to balance senjutsu, if he could do it anyway he could have just used his OWN sage mode LOL. Its not something solely exclusive to the Senju, Jiraiya could use a partial mode.

He acted like Sage mode was just a "little" extra power? I mean wtf!? its a third extra in sheer quantity of chakra and its also something like 3 or 4 times greater in potency. That is not a "little" extra power. Kishi isn't being consistent with his own powers.

Essentially it means he could spam 3 or 4 meteors in the place of one using his base chakra levels. To me that's a massive power up.

Also it seems like Hashirama's sage mode is the source of his hand seal-less healing, kinda lame that it was just handed to him on a plate compared to Tsunade who had to work hard to create her own senjutsu free version.

Also whats with Hashirama's symbiotic head gaining the Sage mode markings? Does that mean that Madara himself isn't managing the senjutsu chakra mix?

 

[Young Thug]

please explain how madara is going to outrun 3 or 4 large meteors

 

[valandil988]

=_= its a quantitative example to help everyone visualize how powerful Sage mode actually makes the user.

 

[SixPathsOfTobi]

Madara can't just spawn meteors out of nothing, he bansho tennins them out of orbit. the meteor first has to pass by.

 

[rollin]

Madara had to use hashis sage mode because he has hashis cells that's why hashis face has the markings
Madara calling sage mode a little power was him being arrogant
You have to work hard for sage mode it's not handed on you to a plate
Madara has to get hashis DNA to do it

 

[valandil988]

Nah all you need for Sage mode is big Chakra reserves, and I think we can all agree Madara has them, so why not just gain his own Sage mode.

Madara seems to have also gained the ability to absorb chakra and use it to heal himself, thats not the same as what Tsunade or Hashi do.. Hmm its more like Petra path than anything else, Mokuton can do it to. I thought Mokuton ninjutsu could absorb charka into itself not the user itself. Thats different than what Hashi seem to do...

 

[valandil988]

Madara can't just spawn meteors out of nothing, he bansho tennins them out of orbit. the meteor first has to pass by.

Meteors aren't completely round like they have been made by Chibaku tensei. I think Madara created them in orbit using Chibaku Tensei and then pulled them to earth, they weren't natural meteors.

 

[jorgelius]

madara did get jackzhit worth of sennin chakra. its obvious hashirama dont want to give it?!?? get it?

 

[SixPathsOfTobi]

Meteors aren't completely round like they have been made by Chibaku tensei. I think Madara created them in orbit using Chibaku Tensei and then pulled them to earth, they weren't natural meteors.

where and when did he make them then..

 

[edo tensai wilmaso]

where and when did he make them then..

lmao you remember when pain did that same move right ... its not that different bro and its not that complicated

also this chapter had me going wtf a lot of this shyt is challenging naruto logic oh well

 

[valandil988]

Lol its pretty funny that the no named nobody that faced Sasuke in the Chunin exams who at the time apparently had a fodderish power turns out to be the same as the one Madara is using lol to drain chakra.

 

[SharinganisOP]

Madara has part of hashi in his chest. This allows for something to be compatible with the sage mode chakra.

Orochimaru explained juugo's chakra to be able to be compatible with Sasuke, so it wasn't surprising that Sasuke's Sussano could use the natural chakra too. This made a sage mode sussano.

Replace Sasuke with Hashirama, and replace Sussano with the hashi face on Madara's chest.

It could also be very possible that Madara is just amazing at handling natural chakra even with no experience.

 

[SixPathsOfTobi]

lmao you remember when pain did that same move right ... its not that different bro and its not that complicated

also this chapter had me going wtf a lot of this shyt is challenging naruto logic oh well

What do you mean? chibaku tensei? again where and when did he make them.

 

[Draxus]

I read this chapter and I was like wtf?

Madara randomly knows how to balance senjutsu, if he could do it anyway he could have just used his OWN sage mode LOL. Its not something solely exclusive to the Senju, Jiraiya could use a partial mode.

He acted like Sage mode was just a "little" extra power? I mean wtf!? its a third extra in sheer quantity of chakra and its also something like 3 or 4 times greater in potency. That is not a "little" extra power. Kishi isn't being consistent with his own powers.

Essentially it means he could spam 3 or 4 meteors in the place of one using his base chakra levels. To me that's a massive power up.

Also it seems like Hashirama's sage mode is the source of his hand seal-less healing, kinda lame that it was just handed to him on a plate compared to Tsunade who had to work hard to create her own senjutsu free version.

Also whats with Hashirama's symbiotic head gaining the Sage mode markings? Does that mean that Madara himself isn't managing the senjutsu chakra mix?

The thing that takes all the training is creating senjutsu by blancing natural energy w/ chakra. Madara isn't doing that, he took the already balanced senjutsu Hashirama made and storing it inside the Hashi cells on his body.

Madara has always been a cocky douche, just because he acts as if it's nothing much doesn't mean it is. Clearly his ability to sense attacks while blind and seal-less healing is nothing to scoff at.

Madara created 2 meteor's and he was not base levels. He was an edo w/ infinite chakra. If he did that now he could be completely drained of chakra... and dead from the impact.

It was already established Hashi's self healing was part of his senjutsu mode during the flashback VoTE fight, nothing lame about it. Completely understandable as Hashi isn't a med-nin and would need a considerable power up to be able to do that.

The marking is on the Hashi face because the sage energy is inside the hashi cells, not Madara's.

 

[Rikudou Sennin balls]

I'm thinking how'd he get Hashirama sage mode when Hashirama wasn't even in sage mode. Maybe that's why he said it wasn't that powerful because he didn't absorb all Hashirama senjutsu.

 

[valandil988]

I'm thinking how'd he get Hashirama sage mode when Hashirama wasn't even in sage mode. Maybe that's why he said it wasn't that powerful because he didn't absorb all Hashirama senjutsu.

^ yep, pretty much, Hashi wasn't in sage mode how did he get senjutsu from him in this case. I know why, because its not possible lol, Naruto doesn't have Sage chakra left over when he exhausts Sage mode. So clearly same logic must apply. And theres no way Madara could have held hashirama still enough in order to gather Senjutsu before he let go of him as Madara hasn't had the sage mode training.

The thing that takes all the training is creating senjutsu by blancing natural energy w/ chakra. Madara isn't doing that, he took the already balanced senjutsu Hashirama made and storing it inside the Hashi cells on his body.

Madara has always been a cocky douche, just because he acts as if it's nothing much doesn't mean it is. Clearly his ability to sense attacks while blind and seal-less healing is nothing to scoff at.

Madara created 2 meteor's and he was not base levels. He was an edo w/ infinite chakra. If he did that now he could be completely drained of chakra... and dead from the impact.

It was already established Hashi's self healing was part of his senjutsu mode during the flashback VoTE fight, nothing lame about it. Completely understandable as Hashi isn't a med-nin and would need a considerable power up to be able to do that.

The marking is on the Hashi face because the sage energy is inside the hashi cells, not Madara's.

I refer you to above, my musing on Hashi's self healing was just on how hax it is compared to Naruto's mode. And Most of senjutsu training is just sensing it in the first place, IE staying still. Somthing nobody can do apparently without the correct training which Madara doesn't have.

Edos don't have infinite chakra they have infinite replenishing reserves. Their reserves are just the same as they always were in life.

 

[Draxus]

I refer you to above, my musing on Hashi's self healing was just on how hax it is compared to Naruto's mode. And Most of senjutsu training is just sensing it in the first place, IE staying still. Somthing nobody can do apparently without the correct training which Madara doesn't have.

Edos don't have infinite chakra they have infinite replenishing reserves. Their reserves are just the same as they always were in life.

First off, I think Hashirama always has some natural energy in him. I think it's why his cells and mukoton is so special. Second, Sage mode requires more than just sitting still. You can gather natural energy while moving it's just harder to balance it that way. Third, I understand how Edo's work. What in my statement is countered by saying they have infinite replenishing reserves? It's exactly what I said... w/o his chakra restoring itself, he may not be able to do even 2 w/o running out of chakra.

 

[Floydical]

I think when the natural energy was absorbed, it was drawn to the center of the senju DNA within Madara, that being the hashi face.

 

[Honord Sage]

Using Sage chakra is not the same as being train in Senjutsu,Sasuke use Sage Chakra by having Jugo provide it, Madara use it because He has the First Hokage DNA to store in after draining it from Him and His like Jugo's balance is very precarious it can Kill Him if it get unbalance. A Perfect Sage Like Naruto can force feed Madara too much Sage Energy and kill Madara like an addict taking in too much Heroin in one sitting.

 

[yuredonitemare]

Alright, So now he have a mega over powered Madara.. lol

Madara + sharingan+ mangekyo sharingan+ enternal Mangekyo sharingan+ rinnegan (once he gets a pair of eyes)+ Mukuton wood realease kekkie genkai(absorbs Chakra) + sage mode via Hashiramas implanted face which is the medium that allows Madara to use hashiramas powers..

Does this mean Madara can now perform sage art?

What if Madara unleashes thousand hand jutsu + perfect susanoo in a combined attack