Madara Rinnegan Misconseption

[SabakuNoGaaraOVZ]

A lot of people on here think Madara is just a little bit more skilled with the rinnegan than Obito is, but nowhere near Nagato. That's not true. The manga does state that Madara didn't master all of its abilities, BUT, the same goes for nagato. Let me explain.

The Rinnegan gives you the ability to use the powers of the seven paths right? Now the most memorable path to me was the Deva path, the one that allows you to control gravity. The misconception here is that being able to use this path grants you the techniques Shinra tensei, Chibaku tensei and Banshō Ten'in and thats it. No, this is how Nagato used it. Madara was by far more skilled than Nagato in this aspect of the rinnegan (deva path), because his 'Banshō Ten'in' pulled a meteor out of space (which I believe the susano'o was necessary for to enhance the power of the pull).

The point is that techniques like Tengai Shinsei and Chibaku Tensei are creative uses of the deva path. Madara said he didnt master all the techniques of the rinnegan because he didnt get to try out all the possible combinations/techniques you could actually come up with with all these paths.

Also, I think his trumpcard will be a rinnegan technique that we havent seen yet. I mean, think about it, if he just pulls such a big card as Tengai shinsei in his very first fight (which mainly was against fodders) since his revival, then he must have some special rinnegan technique that's stronger and more impressive/creative than tengai shinsei, in order to still stand a chance against obito.

 

[Raekwon26]

Hmmm, I actually kind of agree.

For more clarification, we need to actually see Madara using his Rinnegan more often.

 

[AllomnisymbolsparttwoT]

Madara in an old age BROKE RIKUDO'S SEAL Nagato couldn't make a rikudo seal on the kyuubi, and people still thinks nagato is more skilled than Madara gtfo out of this planet people

 

[xcoyote]

Madara in an old age BROKE RIKUDO'S SEAL Nagato couldn't make a rikudo seal on the kyuubi, and people still thinks nagato is more skilled than Madara gtfo out of this planet people

I am sorry sir but you have to be retarded to believe that Madara is more skilled than Nagato when it comes to Rinnengan.Just sayin.

 

[reizon]

madara and nagato are at same level at using rinnegan.
both better than obito.!!

since it was madara's eyes to begin with he dint need to master it, he knew the secrets of rinnegan from the time he awakend it..

nagato masterd it with time..

both are equally good

 

[Grammar Nazi]

I think so too. Madara being the originator of the rinnegan must have known more than Nagato did. A lot of people say Nagato had spent more time with those eyes so naturally he was better than Madara. But I think Madara hadn't shown all the rinnegan techniques in combat because he has other jutsu's in his arsenal like susanoo, perfect susanoo, katon etc. unlike Nagato who only relies on rinnegan. But with that being said, Madara definitely is capable of doing everything Nagato could do and probably some more new rinnegan techniques

 

[Raekwon26]

I am sorry sir but you have to be retarded to believe that Madara is more skilled than Nagato when it comes to Rinnengan.Just sayin.

Why?
Have you seen Madara's full capabilities to make a comment like that?

 

[AllomnisymbolsparttwoT]

I am sorry sir but you have to be retarded to believe that Madara is more skilled than Nagato when it comes to Rinnengan.Just sayin.

Lol O...k Just speaking what's shown in the manga, given the fact, madara broke rikudo's seal on the moon and brought the gedo mazou down AT AN OLD AGE while nagato with a young age couldn't even make a rikudo seal clearly gives madara the upper hand that he is more skilled and mastered at it

 

[UchihaNagashi]

Lol O...k Just speaking what's shown in the manga, given the fact, madara broke rikudo's seal on the moon and brought the gedo mazou down AT AN OLD AGE while nagato with a young age couldn't even make a rikudo seal clearly gives madara the upper hand that he is more skilled and mastered at it

As said by Zetsu in Itachi vs. Sasuke fight. Even a high-level stoneskipper can beat an amateur shuriken user. Even if you know more techniques it doesn't mean you're more skilled. Nagato used his techniques with skill, he used 6 bodies for his fights isn't that skill? Maybe Madara has more techniques but for now he hasn't shown that much, he rather uses his Susano'o. He doesn't care that much about the Rinnegan. Nagato lived almost his entire life with Rinnegan, and using only Rinnegan techniques, he does HAVE skill. Don't assume things with techniques if the person doesn't have the skill to use it properly.

 

[Alphachu]

I'm wondering what can be more impressive then a meteor lol

 

[Gerkak]

Then you could say obito is more skilled then madara since madara couldn't recognise that obito was making a sealing jutsu instead of rinne tensei

 

[SabakuNoGaaraOVZ]

As said by Zetsu in Itachi vs. Sasuke fight. Even a high-level stoneskipper can beat an amateur shuriken user. Even if you know more techniques it doesn't mean you're more skilled. Nagato used his techniques with skill, he used 6 bodies for his fights isn't that skill? Maybe Madara has more techniques but for now he hasn't shown that much, he rather uses his Susano'o. He doesn't care that much about the Rinnegan. Nagato lived almost his entire life with Rinnegan, and using only Rinnegan techniques, he does HAVE skill. Don't assume things with techniques if the person doesn't have the skill to use it properly.

Obito who had the rinnegan for like 5 minutes used 6 bodies. You call that skill? Zetsu's remark is completely not applicable in this case. Madara knows more techniques and has more skill (when it comes to being a shinobi) than nagato

 

[Gerkak]

Madara in an old age BROKE RIKUDO'S SEAL Nagato couldn't make a rikudo seal on the kyuubi, and people still thinks nagato is more skilled than Madara gtfo out of this planet people

Just because madara broke the seal dosen't mean he broke the moon. What it means to break the seal is to summon the gedo mazo. Anyone with both DNA can summon the gedo mazo. Madara is very powerfull but don't overpower him and underpower others.

 

[SabakuNoGaaraOVZ]

I'm wondering what can be more impressive then a meteor lol

good point lol

Then you could say obito is more skilled then madara since madara couldn't recognise that obito was making a sealing jutsu instead of rinne tensei

I dont understand the logic in your comment, you're saying this as if this is the logic i used in the thread...
But either way, we dont know if madara couldnt recognise it, I mean, he was trying to control obito and that just didnt work. If it did, it wouldnt've meant that he actually recognised that it wasnt rinne tensei.. Also, it didnt look like he thought he succeeded in controlling him..

 

[UchihaNagashi]

Obito who had the rinnegan for like 5 minutes used 6 bodies. You call that skill? Zetsu's remark is completely not applicable in this case. Madara knows more techniques and has more skill (when it comes to being a shinobi) than nagato

Of course he has I never said otherwise. But the thing is that these days people are saying he doesn't have skill, isn't true. He mastered it alone (Jiraya didn't know much about the Rinnegan). Guess who taught Obito? Madara. Madara was probably master of it (If S06P and Elder Son are not in equation) and master of Obito. Who can use all techniques from Rinnegan if he's never taught them in less than 5min? Exactly. No one. Madara was maybe master of Rinnegan, but Nagato definitely HAD skill. I've never said otherwise. But as I said. Madara hasn't shown us that much techniques from it, from himself, can't judge. Maybe he doesn't need to use them yet.

 

[Gerkak]

that's what i mean even though madara was trying to control obito the fact that he was looking at obito with his rinnegan most of the time, hence knowing sasuke was going to attack obito with susanoo arrow he should have recognised obito was not using rinne tensei. But he didn't, I mean even naruto did. This means that madara didn't know the handseals for rinne tensei or he....forgot them?

 

[UchihaNagashi]

that's what i mean even though madara was trying to control obito the fact that he was looking at obito with his rinnegan most of the time, hence knowing sasuke was going to attack obito with susanoo arrow he should have recognised obito was not using rinne tensei. But he didn't, I mean even naruto did. This means that madara didn't know the handseals for rinne tensei or he....forgot them?

Nah he knew what was happening. He didn't want to kill Obito at that time then the pressure of the alliance leans on him (and he doesn't want that). He didn't care he has a backup-plan on his sleeve.

 

[syed47]

nagato was a genius with rinnegan. it's just badluck, and bad timing that he lost....

 

[the last shinobi]

TE=xcoyote;12786423]I am sorry sir but you have to be retarded to believe that Madara is more skilled than Nagato when it comes to Rinnengan.Just sayin.[/QUOTE]

The Two Meteors That He Dropped Has Shown Who's Better, He Even Pulled The Statute From The MOON how IsThis Even A Discussion. Beside The Big Rock That Failed In Capturing Nine Tails What HaS He Done

 

[SabakuNoGaaraOVZ]

Of course he has I never said otherwise. But the thing is that these days people are saying he doesn't have skill, isn't true. He mastered it alone (Jiraya didn't know much about the Rinnegan). Guess who taught Obito? Madara. Madara was probably master of it (If S06P and Elder Son are not in equation) and master of Obito. Who can use all techniques from Rinnegan if he's never taught them in less than 5min? Exactly. No one. Madara was maybe master of Rinnegan, but Nagato definitely HAD skill. I've never said otherwise. But as I said. Madara hasn't shown us that much techniques from it, from himself, can't judge. Maybe he doesn't need to use them yet.

Well then I guess I've misinterpreted you're comment, my bad. But i don't think Madara taught Obito how to use 6 bodies though, how could he teach obito that without giving him the eye? Also, why would he teach him that (he only taught him stuff that was necessary for his tsuki no me plan). I just dont think that using the 6 bodies in general (so without actually knowing all the paths' techs, just the body usage) is that hard to do. But I definetly do agree with you that Nagato was skilled.

that's what i mean even though madara was trying to control obito the fact that he was looking at obito with his rinnegan most of the time, hence knowing sasuke was going to attack obito with susanoo arrow he should have recognised obito was not using rinne tensei. But he didn't, I mean even naruto did. This means that madara didn't know the handseals for rinne tensei or he....forgot them?

Lets say he did. What could he possibly do to stop it? Do you think he wouldve done his best to stop it the way sasuke did? Madara is not really the type to put all his efforts in something he knows is not gna work. Definetly not if he's got nothing to worry about (cus he has a trump card). Im talking form his point of view now (cus for me, a juubi jinn is enough to worry about), this made more sense to me..