Madara or Kabuto's Puppet

[raziel777]

A lot of people discounts Madara as being part of Kabuto's arsenal because he "knows the seals". What a joke. Doesn't Tobirama know the seals ? Yet he's Orochimaru's puppet. Why ? Because even though you know the seal, if you don't have free will you can't form them. The only reason Madara could break free was because Kabuto gave him his will (he wanted to see him fight by himself) So people, in the end Kabuto owns Edo Madara. Cold hard truth right there.

 

[Darksharinnegan]

Uchiha. 100 percent of uchihas revived gained their freedom

 

[The Necromancer]

Doesn't matter, as Kabuto's still a ***** for using Edo tensei.

 

[hixa kuogame]

i agree you genius

 

[itachi4real]

Yea then that would mean only itachi and hashirama truly broke free from it

 

[raziel777]

Yea then that would mean only itachi and hashirama truly broke free from it

Exactly. Itachi because of the strongest genjutsu and Hashirama because apparently he's Hashirama and he can do whatever the hell he wants.

 

[raiban]

Uchiha. 100 percent of uchihas revived gained their freedom

^This^
Total fact.

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

Yea then that would mean only itachi and hashirama truly broke free from it

agreed
when Itachi broke free Kabuto wasn't in coma

 

[raziel777]

Doesn't matter, as Kabuto's still a ***** for using Edo tensei.

Well, it was a cheap trick but Kishi had no way to show us how good the ancient generations were.

 

[Bronze]

sorry madara broke out:

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[MinatoTheYellowFlash]

If he didn't give Madara his powers, he would have been facked long before Sasuke and Itachi arrived.

 

[raziel777]

^This^
Total fact.

Biased fact. Madara only gained his freedom because Kabuto gave him the opportunity to do so. If he was being even partially controlled like Itachi, this war would have been over by now

 

[Sefirosu Masamune]

Uchiha. 100 percent of uchihas revived gained their freedom

This...dont revive uchiha...they are too beastly to be puppets...kabuto does not have any uchiha puppets because uchiha are not tamable. even other uchiha cant control other uchiha.

Biased fact. Madara only gained his freedom because Kabuto gave him the opportunity to do so. If he was being even partially controlled like Itachi, this war would have been over by now

lol whats a biased fact? ...facts are facts....he gave madara freedom to see what he could do and because he had motive to listen to kabuto in the first place...its kabuto's fault he is free but in the end he let himself be controlled by kabuto aswell..he could have released the ET soon as he got freedom but he didnt so the argument goes either way

 

[raziel777]

sorry madara broke out:

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Whoever said he didn't ? All I said was he could break out only because Kabuto left him the opportunity to do so by givinh im free will. Most people automatically remove Edo Madara from Kabuto's arsenal because "Madara would just break free if he were summoned". Total bull, Kabuto would summon Madara and restrict his movement. Kabuto owns Edo Madara, he is his tool to use.

 

[Deadai]

Doesn't matter, as Kabuto's still a ***** for using Edo tensei.

You're name is Necromancer yet you are discrediting Kabuto for the use of Edo Tensei which is basically Necromancy this gets me every time.

OT: I agree with the host plain and simple.

 

[Sefirosu Masamune]

And all the Edo's had freedom at one point. when kabuto was incapacitated by Izamani, then he lost control of all the Edos. all the Edos had free will at some point.

 

[syed47]

yup. Kabuto turned Madara loose and that's why he was able to do the hand seals.

 

[SasukeTheViper EMS]

Puppet:
Pronunciation: /ˈpʌpɪt/

A person, group, or country under the control of another.

Edo Madara is, at the very least, around Hashirama's level. And Hashirama was able to move freely, according to Orochimaru who failed to assume control over the former after he was revived along with the other Hokage. Thus, we can deduce that Kabuto did not "choose" to give Madara free will, rather, he simply could not assume control over Madara. Which means that he's certainly not his puppet. Furthermore, Madara did successfully break free of the Edo Tensei on his own, afterwards, and if it was due to Kabuto "choosing to give him free will" like what you're saying... then all of the Edo's would've broken out if they knew the seal, since Kabuto lost control after getting trapped in Izanami. In other words, it wouldn't have mattered in the end.

 

[raziel777]

Edo Madara is, at the very least, around Hashirama's level. And Hashirama was able to move freely, according to Orochimaru who failed to assume control over the former after he was revived along with the other Hokage. Thus, we can deduce that Kabuto did not "choose" to give Madara free will, rather, he simply could not assume control over Madara. Which means that he's certainly not his puppet. Furthermore, Madara did successfully break free of the Edo Tensei on his own, afterwards, and if it was due to Kabuto "choosing to give him free will" like what you're saying... then all of the Edo's would've broken out if they knew the seal, since Kabuto lost control after getting trapped in Izanami. In other words, it wouldn't have mattered in the end.

Hold your horses!! How did you deduce that ? You have no solid fact but "Madara was on Hashirama's level"..

Spoiler

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Here we see Kabuto clearly thinking that he can control Madara, Madara is his card.

Hashirama is something else because of his cells. His cells reinforced Orochimaru's Edo tensei. Madara is nothing like him. Sorry. Madara could be controlled just like any Edo, only Hashirama was proven (backed up by manga facts) to be able to bypass the seal's control. So really, no. Don't try that on me. And yes, Kabuto did lose the control of the edos but I didn't mean that... I meant that people don't count Madara as a Kabuto Edo because he "knows the seals". It's like if Kabuto were to summon Madara in fight, a good example would have been when he summoned Madara against Tobi, it's like Madara could have broken free. And that's crap. Kabuto would have restricted Madara's will or movement and Madaar would have fought Tobi like a servile little Edo, just like the other Edos Kabuto had summoned.

 

[Penguin]

Sure. Why not.