Madara now too Op for Hashirama?

[TheSages456]

still madara can use one of hashirama's best mokuton techs, even if he doesnt have sage mode.

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madara can use all of the rinnegan powers just like he has stated it. since he has unlimited chakra, he should spam it like an OP.

shinsuusenju vs PS, mokuton susanoo with rinnegan and ems, meteors. madara wins

what are you bringing up madaras mokuton for? its not on the tier of hashiramas sage art mokuton so its not even a subject of debate to be a power that can make a difference in a fight between hashirama and madara. period.

what has madara shown with the rinnegan that can stand up to shinsuusenju? nothing.

no, the madara you saw at full power against the gokage using PS and that alone is what you will get in his future fight against hashirama. what you see is what you will get.

 

[DimLord Urza]

Ummm... I'm pretty sure Madara himself knows that 1st hokage has a chance of beating him because he said that he is the only one worth fighting meaning that they will have a good fight. Otherwise Madara wouldn't be talking like that. Kishimoto is trying to send a message that the two are equals and that is that.

 

[accept pain]

only a rennigan user can beat the other rennigan user.

 

[Bronze]

what are you bringing up madaras mokuton for? its not on the tier of hashiramas sage art mokuton so its not even a subject of debate to be a power that can make a difference in a fight between hashirama and madara. period.

what has madara shown with the rinnegan that can stand up to shinsuusenju? nothing.

no, the madara you saw at full power against the gokage using PS and that alone is what you will get in his future fight against hashirama. what you see is what you will get.

because now mokuton is part of madara's power, he can use FTW, wood dragon, clones.

madara can just create clones with rinnegan, each uses paths powers, and madara dropping meteor, then the buddah is destroyed. and i know you are gonna say madara's clones didnt show rinnegan, and i am saying madara can switch each of his dojutsu at will.

madara's full power is when he takes the fight serious and unleashes his godlike jutsus.

stop your fanboysim, madara is more powerful than hashirama, deal with it.

 

[MrLukyso]

what are you bringing up madaras mokuton for? its not on the tier of hashiramas sage art mokuton so its not even a subject of debate to be a power that can make a difference in a fight between hashirama and madara. period.

what has madara shown with the rinnegan that can stand up to shinsuusenju? nothing.

no, the madara you saw at full power against the gokage using PS and that alone is what you will get in his future fight against hashirama. what you see is what you will get.

You're talking nonsense my friend. Not debatable ? Wood Bunshins, Wood Dragon, Flower Tree World, Approaching Forrest all those techniques are useless you say ? Doesn't matter that Wood Dragon can stop a Bijuu, Wood Bunshins are the highest level clones in NB, Flower Tree World is a sick jutsu with insanse scale and blah blah.

Rinnegan is the strongest Dojutsu, and it is wielded by the strongest Dojutsu user ever, so I think that METEORITES, Preta Path, Deva Path could be good against Hashirama also Wood Bunshins + Rinnegans = Shares vision = Sick combination.

That was Madaras full power ? -.- That was Madaras strongest Jutsu (PS) but he could've used Rinnegan + PS + Amaterasu + Mokuton clones at the same time while droping meteorites and more.,,

Stop your fanboysim You look retarded.

 

[TheSages456]

because now mokuton is part of madara's power, he can use FTW, wood dragon, clones.

madara can just create clones with rinnegan, each uses paths powers, and madara dropping meteor, then the buddah is destroyed. and i know you are gonna say madara's clones didnt show rinnegan, and i am saying madara can switch each of his dojutsu at will.

madara's full power is when he takes the fight serious and unleashes his godlike jutsus.

stop your fanboysim, madara is more powerful than hashirama, deal with it.

what can the flower world do to shinsuusenju? madaras mokuton isnt a factor. period. you fail to look at the actual power of madaras techs and you just blindly claim that he wins because he has the rinnegan and mokuton which is laughable.

we already saw what madaras mokuton clones can do. you are exaggerating their abilities, no ifs ands or buts.

and when madara said that he would use his full power, he pulled out PS. what did you see madara use after he activated PS? PS and that alone. i dont know why you are saying that madara can use PS, mokuton and rinnegan techs at the same time, when feats and statements dont support it.

 

[Bronze]

what can the flower world do to shinsuusenju? madaras mokuton isnt a factor. period. you fail to look at the actual power of madaras techs and you just blindly claim that he wins because he has the rinnegan and mokuton which is laughable.

we already saw what madaras mokuton clones can do. you are exaggerating their abilities, no ifs ands or buts.

and when madara said that he would use his full power, he pulled out PS. what did you see madara use after he activated PS? PS and that alone. i dont know why you are saying that madara can use PS, mokuton and rinnegan techs at the same time, when feats and statements dont support it.

since madara controls the woods he releases he should be able to restrain the buddah, while that he can attack it.

when are you actually gonna stop your childish words. madara can switch from ems to rinnegan and from rinnegan to ems at will, why cant the freaking clones he created do this? each clone is able to use madara's powers. stop being an idiot.

i never said madara can use all of his powers at the same time. he creates clones and each of them and madara can unleash their jutsus. when madara made that statement, his face expression was shown to be angry, he also had rinnegan activated, we dont know what he meant, but we can assume he is taking it serious now.

 

[TheSages456]

You're talking nonsense my friend. Not debatable ? Wood Bunshins, Wood Dragon, Flower Tree World, Approaching Forrest all those techniques are useless you say ? Doesn't matter that Wood Dragon can stop a Bijuu, Wood Bunshins are the highest level clones in NB, Flower Tree World is a sick jutsu with insanse scale and blah blah.

none of what you said is comparable to sage art mokuton. theres a reason why sage art mokuton is hashiramas full power and not his mokuton in base form.

Rinnegan is the strongest Dojutsu, and it is wielded by the strongest Dojutsu user ever, so I think that METEORITES, Preta Path, Deva Path could be good against Hashirama also Wood Bunshins + Rinnegans = Shares vision = Sick combination.

how about we use feats instead of fanfiction? madaras clones havent shown the rinnegan. madara has shown 2 meteors at the max so thats all he gets.

That was Madaras full power ? -.- That was Madaras strongest Jutsu (PS) but he could've used Rinnegan + PS + Amaterasu + Mokuton clones at the same time while droping meteorites and more.,,

if madara couldve done this then he would have. when edo madara used PS, PS and that alone was used. manga feats and statements>>>your baseless opinion.

Stop your fanboysim You look retarded.

fanboyism? you are extrapolating even though you have no feats from madaras fights to support your view on his strength.
you ignore feats and ignore madaras statements and i am the fanboy?

 

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[Tobby17]

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It's not a ''versus'' thread, i'm just looking to see what other people think about Madara's new power ups and what role they could play or not play in a fight against Hashirama

 

[TheSages456]

since madara controls the woods he releases he should be able to restrain the buddah, while that he can attack it.

remotely control the branches in jukai koutan? only hashirama has shown this ability and no, shinsuusenju is thousands of times stronger than jukai koutan so madaras mokuton casually gets swept aside by it.

when are you actually gonna stop your childish words. madara can switch from ems to rinnegan and from rinnegan to ems at will, why cant the freaking clones he created do this? each clone is able to use madara's powers. stop being an idiot.

have hashiramas clones shown the ability to go into sage mode? nope.
will i blindly say that hashiramas clones can use sage mode despite their feats not supporting this? nope.
you are basically doing the opposite of this but with madara. no feats=no use. period.

i never said madara can use all of his powers at the same time. he creates clones and each of them and madara can unleash their jutsus. when madara made that statement, his face expression was shown to be angry, he also had rinnegan activated, we dont know what he meant, but we can assume he is taking it serious now.

what are you talking about? if madara was serious, that would give him all the more reason to use all the powers he would be capable of using at full power.
after we saw him get serious and activate full power, he used PS and that alone, not PS+rinnegan+mokuton.

 

[Tobiramas]

I understand why people think Hashirama may still be stronger since featwise, it can go both ways, but don't fool yourself. Plotwise it's not happening since it would make no sense if it was still the case for the purpose of a good manga ending. Kishimoto didn't revive Hashi only, but Hashirama with other Hokages. It's not for nothing. Hashirama couldn't be stronger than Madara

 

[Bronze]

remotely control the branches in jukai koutan? only hashirama has shown this ability and no, shinsuusenju is thousands of times stronger than jukai koutan so madaras mokuton casually gets swept aside by it.

have hashiramas clones shown the ability to go into sage mode? nope.
will i blindly say that hashiramas clones can use sage mode despite their feats not supporting this? nope.
you are basically doing the opposite of this but with madara. no feats=no use. period.

what are you talking about? if madara was serious, that would give him all the more reason to use all the powers he would be capable of using at full power.
after we saw him get serious and activate full power, he used PS and that alone, not PS+rinnegan+mokuton.

1-wood clones with their susanoo and dojutsu powers are more than enough to destroy the buddah doll.

2-naruto's clones can go to sage mode, jiraiya clones did that, so can shitrama do that. ok fine, if you wanna go by the manga showed, then how about this:

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shitrama hasnt shown any sealing tech, therefore he cant beat madara, because madara said you have to seal me.

3-madara isnt obviously ''madara will show you his full power which consist of mokuton, ems and rinnegan'', no gokage will get what he means. he had rinnegan and PS activated so you are wrong.

 

[TheSages456]

1-wood clones with their susanoo and dojutsu powers are more than enough to destroy the buddah doll.

hashirama wouldnt even need sage mode to take out madaras wood clones. a bunch of V2 susanos cant stand up to the village level mokujin.

2-naruto's clones can go to sage mode, jiraiya clones did that, so can shitrama do that. ok fine, if you wanna go by the manga showed, then how about this:

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your own scan disproves you.
1. madara said, this type of ninjutsu doesnt work against the rinnegan.
2. madara used preta path on a branch and nothing happened to it.

shitrama hasnt shown any sealing tech, therefore he cant beat madara, because madara said you have to seal me.

neither has madara. also, madara pretty much stated that hashirama has a sealing tech.
madara said that for him to be stopped, he would need to be sealed.
madara said that hashirama can stop him.

3-madara isnt obviously ''madara will show you his full power which consist of mokuton, ems and rinnegan'', no gokage will get what he means. he had rinnegan and PS activated so you are wrong.

the gokage know what the rinnegan is. they know what mokuton is. madara merely having rinnegan active means nothing.
he stated that he couldnt use preta path(rinnegan ability) because of having susano active.

 

[Bronze]

hashirama wouldnt even need sage mode to take out madaras wood clones. a bunch of V2 susanos cant stand up to the village level mokujin.

your own scan disproves you.
1. madara said, this type of ninjutsu doesnt work against the rinnegan.
2. madara used preta path on a branch and nothing happened to it.

neither has madara. also, madara pretty much stated that hashirama has a sealing tech.
madara said that for him to be stopped, he would need to be sealed.
madara said that hashirama can stop him.

the gokage know what the rinnegan is. they know what mokuton is. madara merely having rinnegan active means nothing.
he stated that he couldnt use preta path(rinnegan ability) because of having susano active.

1- what you said was nothing but fanboysim, wood susanoo clones outnumber hashirama. hashirama cant focus on them and madara at the same time.

2-any ninjutsu becomes absorbed, since chakra is infused with mokuton, it will render it useless.

madara can use human path to pull shitrama's soul outta of his ass. time to use your logic, hashirama cant use sealing because he hasnt shown it. and no madara never said hashirama can use sealing, show me a scan. go here the truth will guide from your ignorance to the truth:

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3-no he had rinnegan activated, since its stronger than any arsenal he has, he also had it activated so when onoki use jinton, he can absorb it.

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madara said his absorption didnt make it in time, not that he cant use it.

i keep providing facts for each of my statements and you deny them. its so weird how you have madara as your avatar, and you wank hashirama violently.

 

[TheSages456]

1- what you said was nothing but fanboysim, wood susanoo clones outnumber hashirama. hashirama cant focus on them and madara at the same time.

V3 susano clones wouldnt even pressure hashirama. sorry. they arent powerful enough to do anything to the wood god much less shinsuusenju.

2-any ninjutsu becomes absorbed, since chakra is infused with mokuton, it will render it useless.

madara used preta path on a mokuton branch and it was unaffected.

madara can use human path to pull shitrama's soul outta of his ass. time to use your logic, hashirama cant use sealing because he hasnt shown it. and no madara never said hashirama can use sealing, show me a scan. go here the truth will guide from your ignorance to the truth:

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you are guilty of a double standard then because madara hasnt used human path either but you are awarding him this feat.

3-no he had rinnegan activated, since its stronger than any arsenal he has, he also had it activated so when onoki use jinton, he can absorb it.

madara said that PS(ems power) is his full strength. you are trying to argue against the manga and you are failing miserably as usual.

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madara said his absorption didnt make it in time, not that he cant use it.

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madara said that susano kept him from using preta path.

i keep providing facts for each of my statements and you deny them. its so weird how you have madara as your avatar, and you wank hashirama violently.

this isnt germane at all.

 

[Bronze]

V3 susano clones wouldnt even pressure hashirama. sorry. they arent powerful enough to do anything to the wood god much less shinsuusenju.

madara used preta path on a mokuton branch and it was unaffected.

you are guilty of a double standard then because madara hasnt used human path either but you are awarding him this feat.


madara said that PS(ems power) is his full strength. you are trying to argue against the manga and you are failing miserably as usual.

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madara said that susano kept him from using preta path.

this isnt germane at all.

1-wood clones use amatersu, and then wood god, is burned.

2-that branch didnt have chakra in it anymore, it became a real tree. when hashirama creates wooden jutsu, his chakra is infused with mokuton so that he can control it.

here we go again. madara stated that he will teach obito the jutsu of the six paths, one of the six path jutsu is called: human path, if he is going to teach obito that jutsu, then he knows how it works, you are so arrogant. i dont give him new feats, the manga stated he can use, that means he can use it.

3-again the manga said, multiple times that the rinnegan is the most powerful jutsu in the world, meaning its stronger than ems and all of its tech, do i need to show you a scan.

the viz scan also proves you wrong as madara mentioned the word ''properly'', meaning when he sent those clones, he didnt absorb it properly, and if he didnt send them he would absorbed it.

why dont you just change your avatar to your boyfriend hashirama.

 

[TheSages456]

1-wood clones use amatersu, and then wood god, is burned.

i need scans of them using amaterasu.

2-that branch didnt have chakra in it anymore, it became a real tree. when hashirama creates wooden jutsu, his chakra is infused with mokuton so that he can control it.

blah, blah, blah, worthless speculation.

here we go again. madara stated that he will teach obito the jutsu of the six paths, one of the six path jutsu is called: human path, if he is going to teach obito that jutsu, then he knows how it works, you are so arrogant. i dont give him new feats, the manga stated he can use, that means he can use it.

so, madara stated that hashirama has a sealing jutsu.
-he says that he needs to be sealed to be stopped.
-he says that hashirama can stop him.

3-again the manga said, multiple times that the rinnegan is the most powerful jutsu in the world, meaning its stronger than ems and all of its tech, do i need to show you a scan.

madara states that PS is his full power. do i need to show you the scan?

the viz scan also proves you wrong as madara mentioned the word ''properly'', meaning when he sent those clones, he didnt absorb it properly, and if he didnt send them he would absorbed it

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"My susano(madaras susano) kept me(hindered my ability to) absorb(assimilate via preta path) the particle style jutsu(onokis tech) properly(adequately, well)."
susano hinders his sbility to use rinnegan techs that have nothing to do with susano. period. this is too obvious.

why dont you just change your avatar to your boyfriend hashirama.

why do you keep posting things that arent relevant?

 

[Bronze]

i need scans of them using amaterasu.

blah, blah, blah, worthless speculation.

so, madara stated that hashirama has a sealing jutsu.
-he says that he needs to be sealed to be stopped.
-he says that hashirama can stop him.

madara states that PS is his full power. do i need to show you the scan?
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"My susano(madaras susano) kept me(hindered my ability to) absorb(assimilate via preta path) the particle style jutsu(onokis tech) properly(adequately, well)."
susano hinders his sbility to use rinnegan techs that have nothing to do with susano. period. this is too obvious.

why do you keep posting things that arent relevant?

1-oooh my god, if madara is going use susanoo, he needs tskuyomi and amatersu

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these are basic stuff, anyone who read the manga knows, how can you possibly be this retarded.

2-just like how gaara infuses his chakra with sand, is the same as shitrama infuses his chakra with mokuton.

i said i want scans of hashirama using sealing jutsu, i dont want madara's words, and did you read that thread, its about how madara was talking about the past.

3-power doesnt = one jutsu. power is all of arsenals of ninjutsu, genjutsu and taijutsu. rinnegan is stronger than ems

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''My Susanoo (madara's wood clone susanoo) kept me (blocked his vision and rendered him)from absorbing (preta path) the jinton properly (adequately well)
he is basically saying: the susanoo clones he sent to attack gokage, blocked his vision, and wasnt able to absorb the jinton very well because the susanoo clones.

ever since i debated against you (hashirama vs edo madara) as ''SAGE MADARA'', you havent changed your pathetic fanboysim words, you dont read the manga, you dont know how to judge someone's strength, your fail logic doesnt work and every time i keep proving you wrong.

 

[TheSages456]

1-oooh my god, if madara is going use susanoo, he needs tskuyomi and amatersu

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these are basic stuff, anyone who read the manga knows, how can you possibly be this retarded.

until madara shows feats with the jutsu, it wont be counted. its funny how you bank your chances on madara beating hashirama with a bunch of jutsus that he has shown no feats with.

2-just like how gaara infuses his chakra with sand, is the same as shitrama infuses his chakra with mokuton.

thats not how mokuton works:

Databook 3 - Mokuton no Jutsu:
Wood Release Technique (木遁の術, Mokuton no Jutsu)
Ninjutsu, Kekkei Genkai, No rank, Offensive, Defensive, Supplementary, All ranges
Users: Yamato, Shodai Hokage

A unique secret technique that creates life, tearing through the ground!!

A legendary technique that turns chakra into a source of life. Now, Yamato is the sole user of this "Secret Technique" (秘術, Hijutsu) . With the "Kekkei Genkai" allowing the simultaneous use of the basic chakra natures "Earth Release" and "Water Release," plants and trees are created. The transformation of these displays a tremendous power in both offence and defence.

[picture of Yamato doing a handseal]
[picture of trees growing from Yamato's Earth Style Rampart]
→↓When Yamato puts his hands together to form the Wood Release handseal, trees grow from the steep bedrock!! If he feels like it, he can even turn a desert into a forest!!

i said i want scans of hashirama using sealing jutsu, i dont want madara's words, and did you read that thread, its about how madara was talking about the past.

i didnt read it, because any notion that madara was talking about the past is wrong:
オレを止められるのは唯一柱間だけだと言ったハズだ
＝ive said only hashirama can stop me, have i not.

3-power doesnt = one jutsu. power is all of arsenals of ninjutsu, genjutsu and taijutsu. rinnegan is stronger than ems

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''My Susanoo (madara's wood clone susanoo) kept me (blocked his vision and rendered him)from absorbing (preta path) the jinton properly (adequately well)
he is basically saying: the susanoo clones he sent to attack gokage, blocked his vision, and wasnt able to absorb the jinton very well because the susanoo clones.

as usual, you are wrong and just twisted the manga yet again. post some proof that madaras vision was blocked when he clearly saw onoki and the kages.

ever since i debated against you (hashirama vs edo madara) as ''SAGE MADARA'', you havent changed your pathetic fanboysim words, you dont read the manga, you dont know how to judge someone's strength, your fail logic doesnt work and every time i keep proving you wrong.

and you are still twisting madaras words and giving madara abilities that he has no feats with.