Madara let the 1st defeat him?
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Ok one thing with that post sarutobi would never have enough power to pull it's soul out yondaime is the only one that could but hey he is a pimp
Anyways for this mofo to be beat we don't need weaklings running around and getting in the way so.
Kisame,deidara,orochimaru,yamato,kakashi etc etc etc includign itachi need to gtfo.
Now madara yondaime sarutobi shodaime jiraiya nidaime are more then enough to beat it how i will say.
Madara can control it bend it to his will can help madara bend the bijju to there control then minato uses his ftg and rasengan's the motherfuker over and over and over again.
The since it's past ninja as well we have jiraiya try attempt frog genjutsu i say try because i have feeling kyuubi's roar will easily cancel the genjutsu. Then we have nidaime come in use some super bad ass kinjutus or suiton.
Then even then lmfaooo they would still fail lol they would get very close but their chakra would go down to zero intially losing control of kyuubi then look out world.
This demon isn't to be fucked with lol which why i am amazed at how minato pulled it's entire soul and split it's chakra in 2 parts no wonder he was known as greatest and strongest.
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Anyways for this mofo to be beat we don't need weaklings running around and getting in the way so.
Kisame,deidara,orochimaru,yamato,kakashi etc etc etc includign itachi need to gtfo.
Now madara yondaime sarutobi shodaime jiraiya nidaime are more then enough to beat it how i will say.
Madara can control it bend it to his will can help madara bend the bijju to there control then minato uses his ftg and rasengan's the motherfuker over and over and over again.
The since it's past ninja as well we have jiraiya try attempt frog genjutsu i say try because i have feeling kyuubi's roar will easily cancel the genjutsu. Then we have nidaime come in use some super bad ass kinjutus or suiton.
Then even then lmfaooo they would still fail lol they would get very close but their chakra would go down to zero intially losing control of kyuubi then look out world.
This demon isn't to be fucked with lol which why i am amazed at how minato pulled it's entire soul and split it's chakra in 2 parts no wonder he was known as greatest and strongest.
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Um, where in the manga does it state, show, or imply that Madara ever had a hold of Susanoo to use for himself? Also, that technique Shodaime uses is still a genjutsu, and Sharingan, a strong one, let alone one that is EMS, should technically be able to see through it.
Madara was weaker then the first point blank no discussion needed unless of course you are a die hard madara fan which i see you perhaps are.
He and the first had different beliefs that is why they fought for konoha's control in the valley of the end in which case both itachi and jiraiya say madara was beat by shodaime hokage that is something known to all. Itachi continues saying"though he lost he continued and formed aka" "years later he summoned and use mks to control lkyuubi and sent it on konoha for revenge but this time he failed again due to the efforts of the yondaime hokage"
"Now madara is a pathetic shell of his former self"
He is weak kiddo get over it he was weak back then and he is weak now. as for mks he doesn't have susanoo,tsukuyomi,or amaterasu every mks looks different for a reason each contains different powers kakashi is proof of this. Next madara didn't teach itachi shit about susanoo etc etc .
Itachi" The day i awoke the mks in me and gained tsukuyomi and amaterasu susnoo awoke in my eyes that day as well'
So there ya have it and no cry all you want your madara still lost he didn't let anyone win but we do know that shodaime for sure had pity on him and let him live or perhaps he beat him so much that he just thought if he left him he would die.
But either way madara lost beaten finished loser weakling in the eyes of the hokage.....
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Um, where in the manga does it state, show, or imply that Madara ever had a hold of Susanoo to use for himself? Also, that technique Shodaime uses is still a genjutsu, and Sharingan, a strong one, let alone one that is EMS, should technically be able to see through it.
Madara was weaker then the first point blank no discussion needed unless of course you are a die hard madara fan which i see you perhaps are.
He and the first had different beliefs that is why they fought for konoha's control in the valley of the end in which case both itachi and jiraiya say madara was beat by shodaime hokage that is something known to all. Itachi continues saying"though he lost he continued and formed aka" "years later he summoned and use mks to control lkyuubi and sent it on konoha for revenge but this time he failed again due to the efforts of the yondaime hokage"
"Now madara is a pathetic shell of his former self"
He is weak kiddo get over it he was weak back then and he is weak now. as for mks he doesn't have susanoo,tsukuyomi,or amaterasu every mks looks different for a reason each contains different powers kakashi is proof of this. Next madara didn't teach itachi shit about susanoo etc etc .
Itachi" The day i awoke the mks in me and gained tsukuyomi and amaterasu susnoo awoke in my eyes that day as well'
So there ya have it and no cry all you want your madara still lost he didn't let anyone win but we do know that shodaime for sure had pity on him and let him live or perhaps he beat him so much that he just thought if he left him he would die.
But either way madara lost beaten finished loser weakling in the eyes of the hokage.....
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shodiame ahd some chakra beasts with him and could break the control madra had the 8 tails and use him as pets adn weapons and besides either abilties
besides
madra/tobi did say hirashima senju the 1sth okage is the strongest man in the ninja world who was feared by all
don't forget the 1st had strength like superman
had his woodstyle along with his controlling bijuu techniqes and other stuff
other secrets
He is the master of the 3rd
who was the master of the 3 sanin who
jyriya is the master of The 4th hokage and naruto which the $ is the master of kakashi \
r the master of team 7 who where all indiuvidually trained by all 3 sanin
and have exception al skills
see where iam going wit diss
besides
madra/tobi did say hirashima senju the 1sth okage is the strongest man in the ninja world who was feared by all
don't forget the 1st had strength like superman
had his woodstyle along with his controlling bijuu techniqes and other stuff
other secrets
He is the master of the 3rd
who was the master of the 3 sanin who
jyriya is the master of The 4th hokage and naruto which the $ is the master of kakashi \
r the master of team 7 who where all indiuvidually trained by all 3 sanin
and have exception al skills
see where iam going wit diss
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i am sorry, but how stupid of a ques that can be? there was an epic battle (thats why 2 huge statues there), 1st thought madara was killed (otherwise he cud have finished him off), and madara was defeated - those are history and also madara's own wrod. period (see prev manga).
Man!!!! ok, i think jiraya let pain kill him. or 3rd let oro kill him? what do u think?
Man!!!! ok, i think jiraya let pain kill him. or 3rd let oro kill him? what do u think?
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Okay
1.The sword of totsuka is not bound to susano, its a legendary item that itachi equipped to susano
2.The same applies with yatas mirror that itachi used
3.There is no definite way to prove tobi has the same attacks as itachi, in fact itachi himself said he can become more powerful than the immortal madara, suggesting itachis techniques are stronger than madaras.
4.Avoiding tsykunomi is easy, Gai showed how one can do it
5.It is now known jinchurikii can use there monsters to get rid of genjutsu or use a partner to get rid of genjutsu, in theory 1st just had to use his monsters to get rid of any any tsykuomi.
6.Kakashi called to yamato once they saw amaterasu, who has DNA of the first, suggesting wood elements can stop ameterasu.
The 1st in theory controlled a good 6 tail beasts as he gave 1 to each country as terms of peace and there are 5 great countries, and he had a few left after, and some countries have 2.
It is possible the 1st owned 8 of them, and madara had the kyubii.
It is possible the 1st had all 9 but the kyubii was ineffective and madara took control of it once the 1st released it.
Tobis space/time jutsu also appears new, it appears to be tobis trademark defence-letting things pass through him, logically if he used this against the 1st and other oppponents the jutsu would be fairly familiar with the smart shinobi (such as kakashi)
1.The sword of totsuka is not bound to susano, its a legendary item that itachi equipped to susano
2.The same applies with yatas mirror that itachi used
3.There is no definite way to prove tobi has the same attacks as itachi, in fact itachi himself said he can become more powerful than the immortal madara, suggesting itachis techniques are stronger than madaras.
4.Avoiding tsykunomi is easy, Gai showed how one can do it
5.It is now known jinchurikii can use there monsters to get rid of genjutsu or use a partner to get rid of genjutsu, in theory 1st just had to use his monsters to get rid of any any tsykuomi.
6.Kakashi called to yamato once they saw amaterasu, who has DNA of the first, suggesting wood elements can stop ameterasu.
The 1st in theory controlled a good 6 tail beasts as he gave 1 to each country as terms of peace and there are 5 great countries, and he had a few left after, and some countries have 2.
It is possible the 1st owned 8 of them, and madara had the kyubii.
It is possible the 1st had all 9 but the kyubii was ineffective and madara took control of it once the 1st released it.
Tobis space/time jutsu also appears new, it appears to be tobis trademark defence-letting things pass through him, logically if he used this against the 1st and other oppponents the jutsu would be fairly familiar with the smart shinobi (such as kakashi)
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no all sharingans are diffrerent maybe he did'nt have those abilities or he ran outta chakra and it came down to brute force
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Ninja battles never come down to brute force.
Especially if you have Kyubbi at your side, brute force wouldn't be an option.
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Ok everybody I have a theory regarding the battle between Madara and the 1st. Madara told Sasuke about the battle an all, and the reason behind the battle was to control Konoha. First of, I think that is a cover up, that is not the reason why they fought, and poor Sasuke have no ability to verify the truth.
As we all remember the first have the ability to control/contain the bijuu's, the first Hokage wanted to capture the bijuu's in order to give them to the different villages in order to protect and spread power between the villages, he already acquired 8 and still was in need of the 9tails. I believe that Madara have taken notice of the potential of obtaining all 9 the bijuu's and wanted to prevent the 1st from acquiring everyone. I think Madara didnt trust the Shodaime and was afraid that he might want to use them for his own purpose, if he had obtain all the bijuus he would have been to strong for anyone. Madara wanted to prevent Shodaime from acquiring the 9tails aswell, Madara have the ability to control the 9tails.
In the battle between Madara and Shodaime Madara wanted to protect the 9tails from Shodaime and Shodaime wanted the 9tails to distribute. That is why they fought. After Madara lost, he sealed/locked /warped/ whatever he have done to hide the 9tails from Shodaime.
Madara went into exile and waited until Shodaime passed away. Madara saw the potential in the 1st plan of acquiring the Bijuu's and tried to do the same. THAT is when the attack of the 9tails took place on Konoha, it was Madara who summoned the 9tails again and attacked Konoha in order to get hold of the other bijuu's, Unfortunately he wasnt aware that the 4th had the ability to seal the Kuuybi.
After the battle took place and the the fourth sealed the bijuu. Did the Elders realize what REALLY happened. That keeping all the bijuu's at one village would be disastrous and would cause constant battle between them and other villages. Only then did they distribute the Bijuu's between the different villiages to spread the possibility of someone like Madara to acquire all the bijuu's with one shot .
Now Madara became the Mizukage in order to take control of the Bijuu that was handed over to the village. He later began a secret evil organization called Akatsuki to gather the other Bijuu's under the radar, if you know what i mean, and here we are today with the current progress of Naruto.
So tell me what you think? I really think that this is actual reason for what happened in the Narutoverse.
As we all remember the first have the ability to control/contain the bijuu's, the first Hokage wanted to capture the bijuu's in order to give them to the different villages in order to protect and spread power between the villages, he already acquired 8 and still was in need of the 9tails. I believe that Madara have taken notice of the potential of obtaining all 9 the bijuu's and wanted to prevent the 1st from acquiring everyone. I think Madara didnt trust the Shodaime and was afraid that he might want to use them for his own purpose, if he had obtain all the bijuus he would have been to strong for anyone. Madara wanted to prevent Shodaime from acquiring the 9tails aswell, Madara have the ability to control the 9tails.
In the battle between Madara and Shodaime Madara wanted to protect the 9tails from Shodaime and Shodaime wanted the 9tails to distribute. That is why they fought. After Madara lost, he sealed/locked /warped/ whatever he have done to hide the 9tails from Shodaime.
Madara went into exile and waited until Shodaime passed away. Madara saw the potential in the 1st plan of acquiring the Bijuu's and tried to do the same. THAT is when the attack of the 9tails took place on Konoha, it was Madara who summoned the 9tails again and attacked Konoha in order to get hold of the other bijuu's, Unfortunately he wasnt aware that the 4th had the ability to seal the Kuuybi.
After the battle took place and the the fourth sealed the bijuu. Did the Elders realize what REALLY happened. That keeping all the bijuu's at one village would be disastrous and would cause constant battle between them and other villages. Only then did they distribute the Bijuu's between the different villiages to spread the possibility of someone like Madara to acquire all the bijuu's with one shot .
Now Madara became the Mizukage in order to take control of the Bijuu that was handed over to the village. He later began a secret evil organization called Akatsuki to gather the other Bijuu's under the radar, if you know what i mean, and here we are today with the current progress of Naruto.
So tell me what you think? I really think that this is actual reason for what happened in the Narutoverse.
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haha I dont know.... I dont know =D
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i think you right
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I believe that Itachi alone could use tsukuyomi, I think it was HIS jutsu....^_^
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interesting theory Dr.Z
just one thing i dont get.....is it possible to actually summon a bijuu?
i dont know that doesnt sound right to me, control it...yes with the help of the sharingan or in shodaime*s case with his mokuton element.
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interesting theory Dr.Z
just one thing i dont get.....is it possible to actually summon a bijuu?
i dont know that doesnt sound right to me, control it...yes with the help of the sharingan or in shodaime*s case with his mokuton element.
Thanx Bibi. I get what your saying, but I think they can be summoned like Gubanto(the huge toad) can be summoned, this is only speculation thou. But Lets take the scenario where they cannot be summoned. How would the first have controlled these huge uber massive creatures that he collected, I mean Shakuka and those creatures are massive, (I doubt he would make a wooden cage to place all the 'little' creatures)
But your right it is mere speculation. Do you think they perhaps the 1st had a statue similar to the one that Akatsuki use to store the Bijuu's?