Madara knows/knew space-time ninjutsu

[foxyladyland]

ooooooh I see what your saying,
you mean since he says only one person would be able to do all that sneaking around without being
noticed and that powerful would be Madara.. which surpasses Tobirama's and his own(minato)

I get it... Obito uses Kamui, and How would Madara slip around without being unnoticed ????

so you figure Madara might have S/T jutsu too... ok it seems to make sense...
but Madara could use Genjutsu from his Supreme Sharingan to move around easily too..
like Itachi did with Kisame in the Leaf...

 

[Hawker]

All right here's an example.
Yamato never had any wind chakra nature to begin with.Going by your logic yamato should've known rasenshuriken before hand.Otherwise he couldn't have helped naruto to perfect it.Could he??

Good example. The difference is that wind chakra is one of the basic elements. The stuff that Yamato taught Naruto is the stuff academy teacher jounins know or should know. Who do you know that knows space time? It's kind of a super s-rank jutsu. No one can exactly just start teaching you it.

 

[repulse]

Yes, on top of everything else, I think he was skilled in that too. Some people say nah but here's my "proof" which I base of completely on Minato's evaluation:

Minato who obviously knows the history of Konoha and the abilities of the former kages had thoughts rushed into his head when he met 'the masked Man' (Obito).
When analyzing his abilities, his thoughts went from this (ch.502 page 10):

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to this (page 11):

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so one of the points that lead him to the conclusion that the masked man would be Madara, was that he was capable of using s/t techs. We can't really disregard it.



ps. I'd like to add to this the fact that Tobi was trained by Madara. He learned how to use space time tech from Madara. Even if it was Obito's original ability from his sharingan, Madara was the one that made it possible for him to advance in s/t technique so that he is on the level that makes Minato say this:

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Obito obviously can't get onto a level higher than Tobirama by himself. So he was taught by a teacher stronger than Tobirama: Madara. So there's a strong hint that says that Madara knew s/t.
Remember Naruto wouldn't been able to have learned Rasengan if Jiraya didn't knew it.

Opinions?

Oh whoa. Here we go.

First, you say that Minato knows the history of Konoha and abilities of the former kages as if it has anything to do with Madara. Yes, the history of Konoha is directly connected to him, but, it is hinted that Minato does not know what Madara's abilities truly are, demonstrated when he asks himself: "Does he use space-time techniques too?". Minato knows what Madara is CAPABLE of, but not what his abilities are.

 

[End of Days]

that was no yet above the level of Tobirama..lol.

dafuq

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[Hawker]

Oh whoa. Here we go.

First, you say that Minato knows the history of Konoha and abilities of the former kages as if it has anything to do with Madara. Yes, the history of Konoha is directly connected to him, but, it is hinted that Minato does not know what Madara's abilities truly are, demonstrated when he asks himself: "Does he use space-time techniques too?". Minato knows what Madara is CAPABLE of, but not what his abilities are.

Dude...let's say there has been a crime. The perpetrator is unknown. But from the evidence we can say he used space-time techniques. So...the crime investigator says: " hmmm the perpetrator is unknown but does he use space-time tecnhiques?It's obvious he does...there's only one person I think that can fit into that description" <-- SEE? Same way as Minato thought of Madara when thinking about who was the 'unknown perpetrator' (the masked man)

 

[pandu]

Good example. The difference is that wind chakra is one of the basic elements. The stuff that Yamato taught Naruto is the stuff academy teacher jounins know or should know. Who do you know that knows space time? It's kind of a super s-rank jutsu. No one can exactly just start teaching you it.

Madara never knew about obito's tech. before hand nor did he know any space time techs. to begin with(excluding summoning).If he had any it would've been mentioned.It is a tech. unique to obito and how do you teach something if you don't have any knowledge about it in the first place??

 

[repulse]

Dude...let's say there has been a crime. The perpetrator is unknown. But from the evidence we can say he used space-time techniques. So...the crime investigator says: " hmmm the perpetrator is unknown but does he use space-time tecnhiques?It's obvious he does...there's only one person I think that can fit into that description" <-- SEE? Same way as Minato thought of Madara when thinking about who was the 'unknown perpetrator' (the masked man)

That one person only pops up into Minato's head because of the clues left, when in fact, Madara's name could be used to mask the masked man's true identity...oh wait

 

[SixPathsOfTobi]

`Madara didn't help obito with that.. giving him senju dna might have helped a bit about the amount of usage etc.
And it's a MS ability, tobirama's space-time stuff is totally different and probably learned, not genetic. So why can't it be better than his..

 

[Hawker]

Madara never knew about obito's tech. before hand nor did he know any space time techs. to begin with(excluding summoning).If he had any it would've been mentioned.It is a tech. unique to obito and how do you teach something if you don't have any knowledge about it in the first place??

Well that is the main point of this thread. Did Madara actually knew s/t technique? I'm not saying he knew about Obito's kamui. I'm saying it's a strong possibility since Obito got so good at it. Plus what Minato said.

and how do you teach something if you don't have any knowledge about it in the first place??

we are talking about s/t techs in general...same ways as there is more than one fire tech.

ooooooh I see what your saying,
you mean since he says only one person would be able to do all that sneaking around without being
noticed and that powerful would be Madara.. which surpasses Tobirama's and his own(minato)

I get it... Obito uses Kamui, and How would Madara slip around without being unnoticed ????

so you figure Madara might have S/T jutsu too... ok it seems to make sense...
but Madara could use Genjutsu from his Supreme Sharingan to move around easily too..
like Itachi did with Kisame in the Leaf...

Exactly.

 

[BlacLord™]

I think his main assumption came from the fact he was able to summon the Kyuubi, and the fact he possessed a lot of power.

Not impossible though..

 

[Draxus]

So he just learned himself to use it and suddenly was better at it than Minato or the Second? lol

Good find! It's just like that arc where Itachi taught Sasuke to use his MS techs! Oh wait...

 

[edo tensai wilmaso]

good theory totally agree.