I'm not saying he's weak, but he's really not as strong as so many members think. EMS Madara lost to Hashirama despite binding to Kurama and later ends up having Naruto and Sasuke beat on him. When you pit him against his actual competition, he's pretty much in the middle, not the top, of a barrel of monsters. To see how flawless everyone regards Madara to be, just look at the reasoning that's always used to put down Naruto and Sasuke.
Sasuke failed to take down Naruto + Kurama with 9.5 Bijuu, and Naruto needs a bijuu to compete with Sasuke to begin with. Those two points are always driven into everyone's skulls whenever there's a question between the two or of how strong they actually are. Yet no one ever seems to bat an eye at the fact that Madara embodies both of those situations so well.
For starters, the obvious one is he needed a whole bijuu(literally 100% more than Naruto needed to challenge Sasuke!) in addition to his susanoo to stalemate Hashirama's buddha.
The not so obvious is that he himself possessed those 9.5 Bijuu(of course it wasn't all 9.5, but it was the vast majority and they certainly held more chakra than when Sasuke got his hands on them), yet couldn't best Naruto or Sasuke in speed nor ninjustu. Just to throw out any resorts of "Madara didn't care," I'd like to say that I agree.... WHEN he was casting Infinite Tsukuyomi & dancing with Gai, Madara didn't care; though he clearly cared otherwise. Unless you're willing to convince me a person that
So what we have are two facts about Madara's strength:
1. His speed and taijutsu by extension are subpar compared to Naruto and Sasuke's own. One rinnegan or not, I don't care. Madara has the same body that Naruto has with the benefit of having more bijuu chakra pumped into it, sucking from the divine tree when Naruto diced him, and having Hashirama's cells, yet he's still incapable of physically besting Naruto in spite of all these advantages.
2. By extension of number 1, Kaguya would peg Madara. She could fend off hundreds of RSM Narutos when Madara's limited limbos got bodied by a handful of clones. She could 1 shot any susanoo and, even if Madara has 4 moon-sized susanoo, just as easily turn Madara's into dust with a single ash bone.
So to put Madara in his rightful place, I'll wrap this up with a single question. Give Madara both the seals alongside Kakashi, Obito, and Sakura's assistance, does he beat Kaguya in this scenario? No fanfic is factored into this question.
Sasuke failed to take down Naruto + Kurama with 9.5 Bijuu, and Naruto needs a bijuu to compete with Sasuke to begin with. Those two points are always driven into everyone's skulls whenever there's a question between the two or of how strong they actually are. Yet no one ever seems to bat an eye at the fact that Madara embodies both of those situations so well.
For starters, the obvious one is he needed a whole bijuu(literally 100% more than Naruto needed to challenge Sasuke!) in addition to his susanoo to stalemate Hashirama's buddha.
The not so obvious is that he himself possessed those 9.5 Bijuu(of course it wasn't all 9.5, but it was the vast majority and they certainly held more chakra than when Sasuke got his hands on them), yet couldn't best Naruto or Sasuke in speed nor ninjustu. Just to throw out any resorts of "Madara didn't care," I'd like to say that I agree.... WHEN he was casting Infinite Tsukuyomi & dancing with Gai, Madara didn't care; though he clearly cared otherwise. Unless you're willing to convince me a person that
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lines up with that same person willingly letting himself get chopped in half, you should drop it. The outcome may not have inconvenienced him, but it's clear he'd rather not get injured, let alone split.So what we have are two facts about Madara's strength:
1. His speed and taijutsu by extension are subpar compared to Naruto and Sasuke's own. One rinnegan or not, I don't care. Madara has the same body that Naruto has with the benefit of having more bijuu chakra pumped into it, sucking from the divine tree when Naruto diced him, and having Hashirama's cells, yet he's still incapable of physically besting Naruto in spite of all these advantages.
2. By extension of number 1, Kaguya would peg Madara. She could fend off hundreds of RSM Narutos when Madara's limited limbos got bodied by a handful of clones. She could 1 shot any susanoo and, even if Madara has 4 moon-sized susanoo, just as easily turn Madara's into dust with a single ash bone.
So to put Madara in his rightful place, I'll wrap this up with a single question. Give Madara both the seals alongside Kakashi, Obito, and Sakura's assistance, does he beat Kaguya in this scenario? No fanfic is factored into this question.