[Discussion] Madara is not on Par with S06P

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It it is really amazing to me that so many people believe Madara to be on Par to or even more powerful than the S06P. I've even read in a few threads/forums, some people referring to him as being the 'Dark' Sage of six Paths! What?

Let me just point a few things out to those of us who haven't yet noticed.

1. The 10 tails was incomplete because it lacked the 9tails and 8tails beast (it only had a portion of there chakra)

2. This was enough for Obito to transform into a lesser form of the S06P -- "Lesser" form

3. Madara succeeded in subduing the 8tails and 9tails and because of this, also transformed into a form of the S06P.
Another incomplete "Lesser" form may I add. This is because he still does not have the full 9tails inside him.

I'll also like to point out some other points that some seem to be missing:

1. All of the tail beast, except the 8tails and 1tail - freely gave something to Naruto (some people say it's chakra)
What ever they gave to him, it hasn't seemed to come in effect yet and I think that is because it requires something
From all tailed beast link 1: (we see 6 beasts here- missing beasts '1tail, 8 tails and 9tails) Link 2: (all present 6 beasts, give something to Naruto)

2. In the last chapter we see Obito taking a portion of the 8tails and the 1tail. I don't think this is a coincidence. Those two
are the only tailed beasts that weren't present when Naruto received 'something/a gift?' from the beasts (excluding Kurama of course - and for obvious reasons.

3. If what Naruto received was chakra, then it must be assumed that he is also now about to transform into a "Lesser"
form of the S06P. I'd even go as far as saying, more developed than Madara is.

You may find this to be completely 'far-fetched' but consider this:

Madara has come into contact with all beast but he is missing two things..

1. The support of the beasts - he is just forcefully using their power! how much more refined would that power be if they were willingly sharing it? What props would that come with?

2. The Dark half of the 9tails. Nuff said

Whereas Naruto has come into contact with all of the Beasts, gained all of their trust and support, some of their power and now that Obito is giving him the Dark half of the 9tails, I for-see another character transforming into a S06P "Lesser" form that is more complete than the two previous.

With all that said, the S06P had the body of the 10tails and all of its un-restricted chakra. Plus he had the power to subdue the beast at its absolute strongest - He pounds Madara without any difficulty, I don't care what anyone says. You can believe in your own biased Ideals if you so choose but as far as I'm concerned;

Saying that Madara is as powerful as S06P because he has acquired the necessary Body, DNA , tailed beasts and Eyes is equivalent to saying - By transplanting Legs like Usain Bolt, Eating and training to get the same energy levels as Usain Bolt, I will be able to run as fast or even faster than Usain Bolt.....nuff said:dead:

Madara in the end will get his ass served to him, not because he is weak, not because the 'Plot' was written to troll him as some believe but, because Naruto is about to become even closer to the S06P strength than Madara is at the current moment, plane and simple.

Madara is a bad-ass but I'm tired of all the 'bandwagoning' to be honest. The only thing that concerns me right now is: who the heck is that mystery person over by Sasuke? I have a feeling it's Kabuto but if it isn't....Dang, I can't wait for that reveal.
 
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Well ofc he's not on the same level as Rikodou, but he's waaay closer than anyone else has every been. He might be as stronger than Rikodou was before he became a jinchuriki though...
 

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Though each of the Bijuu's holds more chakra now than what they did during Hagoromo's time. The more chakra, the more power. You can judge that from their size as they are creatures made out of chakra, the bigger they are the more chakra they have. Its also shown that a older human has more chakra than a younger human. Even with the incomplete Juubi Madara has right now, he would still have more chakra of the Juubi than Hagoromo had. Another thing is that Madara has Sage mode activated as well as a rather young body. Now, he did comment that he needed the other Rinnegan and he will need that in order to become "complete".

Saying that the current Madara isn't at par or perhaps a little stronger than Hagoromo isn't rather stupid. Also, for those that bring out his title and the stories about him as proof. Let me just say that Hashirama was regarded as the God of Shinobi and the stories around him that spoke of his power was so great that many believed it to fairy tales. Yet we have seen that Hashirama is nowhere even near the current Madara power wise.
 
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Though each of the Bijuu's holds more chakra now than what they did during Hagoromo's time. The more chakra, the more power. You can judge that from their size as they are creatures made out of chakra, the bigger they are the more chakra they have. Its also shown that a older human has more chakra than a younger human. Even with the incomplete Juubi Madara has right now, he would still have more chakra of the Juubi than Hagoromo had. Another thing is that Madara has Sage mode activated as well as a rather young body. Now, he did comment that he needed the other Rinnegan and he will need that in order to become "complete".

Saying that the current Madara isn't at par or perhaps a little stronger than Hagoromo isn't rather stupid. Also, for those that bring out his title and the stories about him as proof. Let me just say that Hashirama was regarded as the God of Shinobi and the stories around him that spoke of his power was so great that many believed it to fairy tales. Yet we have seen that Hashirama is nowhere even near the current Madara power wise.
Lol so much wrong in this post....
 

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So you're saying that 50<5 ? SMH
Madara is definitely not as strong as the SO6P yet, but Naruto is not getting even close to good sis Maddy.
I'm not a Madara fan boy, but let me remind you that Madara has the complete amalgamated power of 9 bijuu. He lacks only the yin half of the kyuubi, which makes a significant difference, yes, but Madara still overpowers Naruto by a large margin.
Keep in mind that Madara is in control of the Gedo Mazou, which is the catalyst to the bijuus' power. Another reason why Naruto will never overpower Madara is that Madara has MASTERED the power of the Uchiha AND SENJU, whilst Naruto possesses neither, not even making good use of his so called Uzumaki KG. Plus, Naruto has only a PORTION of the Bijuu's chakra, whilst Madara has sealed the beasts in their entirety.
So basically, YES, Madara is much weaker than the SO6P, but he is also much stronger than Naruto.
Naruto will get a new powerup, no doubt, but that wouldn't allow him to overpower Madara.
 

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Though each of the Bijuu's holds more chakra now than what they did during Hagoromo's time. The more chakra, the more power. You can judge that from their size as they are creatures made out of chakra, the bigger they are the more chakra they have. Its also shown that a older human has more chakra than a younger human. Even with the incomplete Juubi Madara has right now, he would still have more chakra of the Juubi than Hagoromo had. Another thing is that Madara has Sage mode activated as well as a rather young body. Now, he did comment that he needed the other Rinnegan and he will need that in order to become "complete".

Saying that the current Madara isn't at par or perhaps a little stronger than Hagoromo isn't rather stupid. Also, for those that bring out his title and the stories about him as proof. Let me just say that Hashirama was regarded as the God of Shinobi and the stories around him that spoke of his power was so great that many believed it to fairy tales. Yet we have seen that Hashirama is nowhere even near the current Madara power wise.
It's funny because the reason Madara is able to subdue the Juubi is the rinnegan which he obtained by stealing Hashirama's DNA. Current Madara wouldn't exists if it wasn't for Hashirama.
 

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I believe madara is close to being as strong as the real.so6p.but it wont happen because he lacks the fuuuuulllllll power of kurama.. Naruto will be the only one to surpass the real so6p.
 

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It's funny because the reason Madara is able to subdue the Juubi is the rinnegan which he obtained by stealing Hashirama's DNA. Current Madara wouldn't exists if it wasn't for Hashirama.
How does that make him any weaker than Hagoromo? Hagoromo wouldn't have been a thing unless Kaguya stole the power from the Juubi, Hashirama wouldn't be a thing if Kaguya didn't steal the Juubi's power. They all carry stole power, Madara is simply collecting it all.
 
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