[Spoilers] Madara is a Master Psychologist

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The answer lies in zetsu I believe. That was madara who met with kisama the 1st time. THe second time was obito pretending to be madara. Who knows, maybe kisame knew both of them. And when he saw obito's face, he smiled and went along with the your are madara ploy.
I can agree with you. But I just have one thing to add:

In the months/years following Madara's death and Obito taking up his name, we see him meeting with Nagato, Yahiko and Konan. Remember it wasn't Obito/Madara who created Akatsuki but Yahiko (although he was heavily influenced). We can also see that in the flashback Obito/Madara tells Kisame about his plan and asks him to join his organization. Now I think that Akatsuki has already been formed or even Yahiko has already died. All this happens long after Madara hands over his name to Obito. Correct me if I am wrong.
 

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lol at old theories bc of lack of info. i agree only on the part of madara planting the seeds in obitos mind aka brainwashing. other than that it happened naturally
 

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Rin and kakashi weren't anbu.. kakashi became anbu after that.. at least i can't remember anything where it was said that rin was anbu and the fillers about kakashi's past are in agreement that he became anbu after rin killed herself.

You also don't seem to remember that obito already explained that he knew kirigakure made rin sanbi jinchuuriki and that they wanted to use her to attack konoha, by releasing sanbi when she was there, and that that's why she killed herself.

And Yes madara is a manipulative satanist. everyone that participates in the eye of the moon plan is madara/satan(ist), doesn't even matter if you are consciously being part of it, as long as you're one of the pawns. like he said.
Like satanism, madaraisms goal is to revive satan/madara making man god on the earth. (meaning a few or just one man ruling over everyone else through manipulation keeping people stupid keeping knowledge away messing up their food so they don't think clearly, manipulating their worldview by spamming them with all kind of bullshit with fake science and television etc. making them willing slaves, to summarise it.. genjutsu.. that's right eternal tsukuyomi)
 
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Here is something you did wrong... You used wrong information.

Madara didn't set up the attack from the Mist Ninja's, as Madara never controlled the Hidden Mist. Obito under the alias of Madara controlled the Mist by putting Yagura under a genjutsu to manipulate him. Which during that time the mist was known as the Bloody Mist Village. Not to mention that you base your theory partially of this and a third Zetsu which you even admit is never shown. Beyond that point, Zetsu commented that there were a lot of other Zetsu's all over the world gathering information. Madara also stated that if he was to be disconnected from the Gedo Mazo he would die instantly. (Meaning that the old Madara we saw was indeed the real Madara as there were no other wires connected to the statue that was leading anywhere.)
 

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I have established most of your points in my thread:

Haha nice bro but i made that theory of madara planing Rin's death befor you...also your theories are mising the gloden key..wich is the reall identity of tobi is that he is madara +spiral zetsu+ obito...but madara is the dominant tobi...madara didn't die but kept living inside obito as an empty shel of his formerself...in other words tere are 2 madara runing around : rikudo madara and tobidara who is inside spiral zetsu now
 

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No not really. I said the samr thing in a previous post. Obito believed he was using madara just as much/more so than madara believed he was using obito. Obito didn't give two shits about madara.
 

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No not really. I said the samr thing in a previous post. Obito believed he was using madara just as much/more so than madara believed he was using obito. Obito didn't give two shits about madara.
Madara didn't believe shit.. he knew and obito was supposed to believe and that includes the believe that he was using madara.
 
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