Madara/Hashirama VoTE explosion

[KidGamer65]

Do you still think Naruto loses in that other thread? (Vs Hashi, Minato, and Kakashi)

Yes, because durability isn't the main reason why I think he loses. It's because his offense is almost completely shut down.

 

[LightningNinja]

This is where I stand after this thread.

-PS only took damage from SS.
-SS only took damage from PS.
-The explosion size represents both techs powers. (something I've always believed)
-The power division between the two is probably somewhere around half and half give or take.

Do you think now that the 11 bladed bijuudama = Choujou kebutsu in power? If not, who's stronger?

 

[KidGamer65]

Do you think now that the 11 bladed bijuudama = Choujou kebutsu in power? If not, who's stronger?

They are probably equal in overall power, but SS has the potential to be stronger because it's an endless barrage of fists unless said fists are destroyed.

 

[adeshina365]

This is what I don't get it's a fact Sasuke's PS is stronger than Ems Madaras yet people argue about explosion size when in reality that's irrelevant since the bijuu Dama was inhanced by Rikudou chakra by default making it stronger than a normal one rather the explosion size is the same people dumb af

Unfortunately many are having trouble understanding this. Shame.

 

[KidGamer65]

Unfortunately many are having trouble understanding this. Shame.

No, you guys are simply ignoring the arguments. Potency is important, yes. However when comparing the same type of explosion the size is what represents the potency. That is why

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is larger than

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, yet the explosion of the first one is far smaller than the explosion of the second one.

If the explosion of Naruto's BD is smaller than Kurama's BD barrage's combined explosion then it's simply weaker. Period. The logic you guys are foolishly using would be the same as me saying "Senjutsu Rasengan>Oodama Rasengan Barrage" because one is enhanced by Senjutsu and the other isn't even the actual scale of the jutsu are completely different.


I'm waiting for someone who disagrees to actually address this.

 

[adeshina365]

No, you guys are simply ignoring the arguments. Potency is important, yes. However when comparing the same type of explosion the size is what represents the potency. That is why

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is larger than

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, yet the explosion of the first one is far smaller than the explosion of the second one.

If the explosion of Naruto's BD is smaller than Kurama's BD barrage's combined explosion then it's simply weaker. Period. The logic you guys are foolishly using would be the same as me saying "Senjutsu Rasengan>Oodama Rasengan Barrage" because one is enhanced by Senjutsu and the other isn't even the actual scale of the jutsu are completely different.


I'm waiting for someone who disagrees to actually address this.

The same type of explosion...how so? What do we know of the effect of raiton on BD during a collision?

Fire and water = steam
Raiton and BD = ????

 

[KidGamer65]

The same type of explosion...how so? What do we know of the effect of raiton on BD during a collision?

What? It's Bijuu Dama vs. Bijuu Dama. Raiton is irrelevant. Half of those clashes are Bijuu Dama. If one clash is larger than the other then obviously if you divide the power in half the left over halves will be equal.

-Explosion of Kurama's BD barrage>>Explosion of RSM Naruto's BD.
-Thus Kurama's BD barrage>>RSM Naruto's BD in power.
-PS Chidori=RSM Naruto's BD in power.
-SS=PS Kurama in power.
-SS=BD Barrage>>PS Chidori=RSM Bijuu Dama.

 

[adeshina365]

What? It's Bijuu Dama vs. Bijuu Dama. Raiton is irrelevant. Half of those clashes are Bijuu Dama. If one clash is larger than the other then obviously if you divide the power in half the left over halves will be equal.

-Explosion of Kurama's BD barrage>>Explosion of RSM Naruto's BD.
-Thus Kurama's BD barrage>>RSM Naruto's BD in power.
-PS Chidori=RSM Naruto's BD in power.
-SS=PS Kurama in power.
-SS=BD Barrage>>PS Chidori=RSM Bijuu Dama.

It's not a matter or what happens in the other clashes. It's a matter of what happens when highly concentrated raiton makes contact with a concentrated yin-yang bomb. The effects are not well documented.

Using the sizes of explosions to estimate power can be widely inaccurate. Compare the final VOTE2 Enton-Chiodri and Rasengan clash to other clashes...the results are inexplicable based on your logic.

 

[KidGamer65]

It's not a matter or what happens in the other clashes. It's a matter of what happens when highly concentrated raiton makes contact with a concentrated yin-yang bomb. The effects are not well documented.

Using the sizes of explosions to estimate power can be widely inaccurate. Compare the final VOTE2 Enton-Chiodri and Rasengan clash to other clashes...the results are inexplicable based on your logic.

I'm 99% sure you are just arguing to argue at this point and that you know I'm right. Your first paragraph doesn't even begin to make sense and I already addressed.

1. Bijuu Dama is not Yin-Yang.
2. Stop throwing around fluff words to hide the fact you don't have an argument.
3. No, using size of explosions to estimate power is completely accurate as long as you are talking about the same exact jutsu. We are talking about Bijuu Dama. Your Rasengan Chidori point is terrible because we are talking about Bijuu Dama vs. Bijuu Dama. Not Bijuu Dama vs. some other type of attack.
4. Chidori and BD clashing together does nothing but make the explosion larger than normal as shown by Chidori and Bijuu Dama clashing.

Now, I'll repeat this again:
-Half of the explosion at VoTE 2 was produced by a Bijuu Dama.
-Half of the explosion at VoTe 1 was produced by a Bijuu Dama(s)
-The VoTE 1 explosion is larger and that's barely debatable.
-Thus when you cut both in half VoTE 1 is still larger.


Thus if Naruto's RSM BD had exploded by itself it'd be smaller than what Kurama's barrage would've produced had it exploded by itself.

 

[Unorthodox]

I'm waiting for someone who disagrees to actually address this.

Naruto avatars withstanding this

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is more than enough proof.

3 bijuu damas plus 3 chidori senbons >>>>>>>>>>> 1 Bijuu dama and ps chidori simple as that.

 

[KidGamer65]

Naruto avatars withstanding this

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is more than enough proof.

3 bijuu damas plus 3 chidori senbons >>>>>>>>>>> 1 Bijuu dama and ps chidori simple as that.

His avatars are clearly damaged in the panel you posted, not to mention 3 small Bijuu Dama=/=1 standard sized BD. 3 Chidori Senbon=/=1 PS Chidori. The explosion is visually no where near Naruto and Sasuke's clash so if it's stronger then it's because of Chidori Senbon. Irrelevant to the fact that when it comes to comparing Bijuu Dama and Bijuu Dama alone, size=explosion power.

Your point doesn't even make sense. :lol Because I know you are a slow individual, I'll break this down with you and it'll even include pictures.

-Balls the same size, roughly.

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-Explosions are far different


-Because Juubi>>>>>>>>>RSM Naruto when it comes to strength of chakra.

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That is visual proof that the size of the explosion is the sole determinant of power.

Now, I'm waiting for someone who isn't Unorthodox to address this.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

His avatars are clearly damaged in the panel you posted, not to mention 3 small Bijuu Dama=/=1 standard sized BD. 3 Chidori Senbon=/=1 PS Chidori. The explosion is visually no where near Naruto and Sasuke's clash so if it's stronger then it's because of Chidori Senbon. Irrelevant to the fact that when it comes to comparing Bijuu Dama and Bijuu Dama alone, size=explosion power.

Your point doesn't even make sense. :lol


Now, I'm waiting for someone who isn't Unorthodox to address this.

If they're smaller or weaker then it was Narutos own volition. There's no reason he can't shoot 3 of standard size, logically he should be able to shoot at least 12 since Half Kurama + Half of Hagoromos chakra >> Full Kurama.

 

[KidGamer65]

If they're smaller or weaker then it was Narutos own volition. There's no reason he can't shoot 3 of standard size, logically he should be able to shoot at least 12 since Half Kurama + Half of Hagoromos chakra >> Full Kurama.

Naruto is shown panting in the

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, so it's most likely because of the fact he was running out of chakra. If not then it was his own volition, but the main point is that they are smaller and weaker than what clashed with Chidori by far.

 

[Unorthodox]

His avatars are clearly damaged in the panel you posted, not to mention 3 small Bijuu Dama=/=1 standard sized BD. 3 Chidori Senbon=/=1 PS Chidori. The explosion is visually no where near Naruto and Sasuke's clash so if it's stronger then it's because of Chidori Senbon. Irrelevant to the fact that when it comes to comparing Bijuu Dama and Bijuu Dama alone, size=explosion power.

Small bijuu damas? There is no such thing lol. a standard bijuu dama is as small as a bijuu dama can become fact there has never been anything smaller than that size inconsistency happens all the time the scan i showed of Kurama using bijuu dama are in the same size comparison as Full Kurama using his here

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so don't give me that smaller nonsense especially when any bijuu dama used is the standard bijuu size and power. BPS chidori senbon is much stronger than PS Chidori as chidori senbon explosion was the the makeup of the explosion you see the lighting fully engulfing the bijuu dama showing it is superior while all you saw was pure explosion when the first clash the difference is power in the lighting clearly otherwise the explosions would have looked the same.

No one never said his avatars would not be damaged i just said that attack is much more powerful then the last attack in his avatars we're still standing so your point is moot. Nowhere near they're clash? you sound dumb af for one it's hard to scal that because it's high in the sky to the lighting shrieking from the explosion is length is mountain ranges which is dwarf by the explosion itself.

Your point doesn't even make sense. :lol Because I know you are a slow individual, I'll break this down with you and it'll even include pictures.
-Balls the same size, roughly.

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-Explosions are far different

addressed.

Because Juubi>>>>>>>>>RSM Naruto when it comes to strength of chakra.

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That is visual proof that the size of the explosion is the sole determinant of power.
Now, I'm waiting for someone who isn't Unorthodox to address this.

Larger explsosion does not mean more power if that was the case we'd be ranking BDFRS all the way up there pure power potency is what it is like i said full kurama bijuu dama blast and blast radius are the same size as other bijuus even half of itself yet it's obviously stronger than what half kurama can do so my point remains. As for Juubi tailed beast bomb the size is irrelevant Obito's fully charged Tbb failed to destroy a god tree root. Then add the fact that half of Hagoromo's chakra >> That' juubi's

 

[KidGamer65]

Small bijuu damas? There is no such thing lol. a standard bijuu dama is as small as a bijuu dama can become fact there has never been anything smaller than that size inconsistency happens all the time the scan i showed of Kurama using bijuu dama are in the same size comparison as Full Kurama using his here

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so don't give me that smaller nonsense especially when any bijuu dama used is the standard bijuu size and power. BPS chidori senbon is much stronger than PS Chidori as chidori senbon explosion was the the makeup of the explosion you see the lighting fully engulfing the bijuu dama showing it is superior while all you saw was pure explosion when the first clash the difference is power in the lighting clearly otherwise the explosions would have looked the same.

What are you talking about? Size inconsistency isn't an argument.

This

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is not the same size as this in terms of ball size or explosion size.

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Posting a bunch of scans of different sized Bijuu Dama doesn't support your nonsense inconsistency point. "There is no size smaller than the standard" based on literally nothing. Meanwhile there are scans proving my point. Gonna have to try harder than that.

-BPS Chidori Senbon being stronger than PS Chidori is based on nothing. Underlined makes zero sense, because I could use the same argument and say that since no lightning was shown in the first clash, that BD>Chidori even though they are equal. If Senbon was stronger it would've overpowered Bijuu Dama. Don't make up imaginary rules for determining jutsu strength. :lol

No one never said his avatars would not be damaged i just said that attack is much more powerful then the last attack in his avatars we're still standing so your point is moot. Nowhere near they're clash? you sound dumb af for one it's hard to scal that because it's high in the sky to the lighting shrieking from the explosion is length is mountain ranges which is dwarf by the explosion itself.

Your point doesn't even make sense. Lmao I can't believe people this dumb actually exist.

If that clash was far superior to the last attack, then Naruto's Avatars wouldn't only take negliglbe amounts of damage. The last clash took off part of his torso and part of his face and part of his arm, yet his clones suffered similar damage here. If your nonsense point about those BD all equaling the first one he used make sense then he'd take damage far worse than what he took the first time. Then we have the fact that Chidori Senbon might not contribute to the actual size of the explosion. So if you need a jutsu that's not BD to prove that size isn't power obviously your point is moot when it comes to the Bijuu Dama itself.

But I fully expect something along the lines of "oh no, I'm right even though I didn't comprehend a word you said".

:lol

And no, it's not hard to scale the explosion.. The Mountains compared to that, and the Mountains compared to the last explosion tell the entire story. Those lightning streaks aren't larger or longer than the explosion itself.

addressed.

Nope.

Larger explsosion does not mean more power if that was the case we'd be ranking BDFRS all the way up there pure power potency is what it is like i said full kurama bijuu dama blast and blast radius are the same size as other bijuus even half of itself yet it's obviously stronger than what half kurama can do so my point remains. As for Juubi tailed beast bomb the size is irrelevant Obito's fully charged Tbb failed to destroy a god tree root.

This potency argument you are making is fanfiction. When it comes to Bijuu Dama the stronger the BD the bigger the explosion. Bold isn't an argument. Kurama is stronger than the rest of the Bijuu because it's chakra dwarfs theirs in amount, thus he can make larger Bijuu Dama. When it comes to the same size Bijuu Dama they are equal as already shown in canon.

The last sentence also isn't a counter but what did I expect. Him not being able to obliterate the root means the root is that durable because the same explosion obliterated Madara's PS and Hashirama's Mokujin. :lol The larger the explosion, the stronger. That is a fact when it comes to Bijuu Dama.

 

[KidGamer65]

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Smaller Bijuu Dama than the standard.

Explosion of one is as large as the first stage Juubi.

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And the first stage Juubi is far smaller than the second stage Juubi which is as tall (not wide) as a regular Mountain.

This is the explosion of a standard sized BD.

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Mountain Sized in width and height. Juubi at it's biggest is as tall as a Mountain. Not as wide. So in overall size:

Standard Sized BD Explosion>Juubi>>Smallest BD shown in the series.

So the same goes for RSM naruto's BD. Standard>Small in ball size and explosion size.

 

[Unorthodox]

What are you talking about? Size inconsistency isn't an argument.

This

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is not the same size as this in terms of ball size or explosion size.

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Your scan is irrelevant because they are the same size just given different respectives and the ball size means nothing when the first BDFRS Naruto threw was much smaller than the ones that we're Sasuke's Perfect susanoo size but they all exploded the same lol boy this is the definition of what we called straw grasping the bijuu dama your so codependent on is about 10% bigger than the one i showed in that scan when he shot 3 and that size makes no difference to the power when a bijuu dama of that size or radius ball or explosion is still considering the standard Bijuu dama so it's ball being slightly bigger means nothing when it's still the standard Bijuu dama.

Posting a bunch of scans of different sized Bijuu Dama doesn't support your nonsense inconsistency point. "There is no size smaller than the standard" based on literally nothing. Meanwhile there are scans proving my point. Gonna have to try harder than that.

Except that i am right that is the standard even with the bijuu dama barrage it's just a collection of 4-5 standard bijuu damas one being the size of the mouth vs one being a little bigger does not change the power outcome to say that those 3 combined are weaker than 1 that is just barely bigger than one because if you combined the size of those 3 they would be much bigger than the latter so my point still remains. a Srandard Bijuu dama is a Bijuu dama of mouth proportion or a bijuu dama thats takes almost no charge time to use and since it's of mouth proportion it's obviously not a flash BD thus makes it a Standard BD which means all the same power output a almost of noticeable size change does not change that at all.

BPS Chidori Senbon being stronger than PS Chidori is based on nothing. Underlined makes zero sense, because I could use the same argument and say that since no lightning was shown in the first clash, that BD>Chidori even though they are equal. If Senbon was stronger it would've overpowered Bijuu Dama. Don't make up imaginary rules for determining jutsu strength. :lol

Chidori senbon being use through the chakra of those Bijuu alone should tell you it's much more powerful than Perfect susanoo chidori. Lighting was not shown in the first clash because they we're completely even and when techniques are even their is a little burst back situation

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that was not present and the author is clearly giving you insight on the senbons being more powerful as they we're the outliers of the explosion showing how stunned Kurama was and the look on Naruto's face showed that he could not win against it. Also take a step back and think about how could this explosion be weaker? multiple Bijuu damas are involved and A much stronger Susanoo using it's ration affinity attacks if this was even portrayed to be equal if not weaker according to you why would he use 3 bijuu damas if 1 was good enough just stop with the bs. Lighting being over the explosion is emphasis that the senbon is stronger you think Kishi just did that for special effects? You can stop playing that role of a dumbass.

If that clash was far superior to the last attack, then Naruto's Avatars wouldn't only take negliglbe amounts of damage. The last clash took off part of his torso and part of his face and part of his arm, yet his clones suffered similar damage here. If your nonsense point about those BD all equaling the first one he used make sense then he'd take damage far worse than what he took the first time. Then we have the fact that Chidori Senbon might not contribute to the actual size of the explosion. So if you need a jutsu that's not BD to prove that size isn't power obviously your point is moot when it comes to the Bijuu Dama itself.

Because Naruto only took minor damage from the first clash which was just flustered chakra on it's face and arm while that attack hits both sides of Kurama

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you can see the chakra damage being of both sides of kurama body's even extending to it's tails which also took damage in the explosion showing that is was 3x or more stronger than the latter. Gyuki took damage from it's standard bijuu dama clearly but was only KO by it's fully charged bijuu dama which is well above standard unless you think those had the same power outputs.

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meaning Kurama and KB have the ability to withstand an attack like a bijuu dama barrage which is not as powerful as charged bijuu dama as a healthy gyuki was 1 shotted by it so Naruto avatar's surviving that explosion does not mean it's weaker like you trying to proclaim.

Chidori senbon obviously contributed to its power as it was over the bijuu dama explosion itself showing it was the dominate attack and you keep talking about overpowering a bijuu dama your attack is going to have to be much much more powerful than the Bijuu dama itself to overpower juubi laster blew clean through those Bijuu dama but they exploded so it did not overpower it however Gyuki's tbb attempt at the Juubi's charged Bijuu dama did absolutely zero that's overpowering a bijuu dama.

But I fully expect something along the lines of "oh no, I'm right even though I didn't comprehend a word you said".
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Well you can stop expecting shit because ima dissect and counter all your post to the very bone i don't dodge when this shit is just to easy now child.

And no, it's not hard to scale the explosion.. The Mountains compared to that, and the Mountains compared to the last explosion tell the entire story. Those lightning streaks aren't larger or longer than the explosion itself.

Just stop trying to calculate an explosion well above ground hell above cloud level to the mountains on the ground is completely false especially due to perspective.

in this scan a sky comparison of a single mountain can be attained to the size of 1 of Madara's chibaku tensei's

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we no this scan to be painfully off because chunks were larger than mountain ranges let alone a mountain itself so the sky scaling is way off stop and try again.

Nope.

Wrong but atleast you gave it a good try.

This potency argument you are making is fanfiction. When it comes to Bijuu Dama the stronger the BD the bigger the explosion. Bold isn't an argument. Kurama is stronger than the rest of the Bijuu because it's chakra dwarfs theirs in amount, thus he can make larger Bijuu Dama. When it comes to the same size Bijuu Dama they are equal as already shown in canon.

Makes zero since full Kurama standard bijuu dama is the same size as every other bijuu same with half Kurama's standard bijuu dama yet full Kurama's is stronger no? obviously but then we ask our selfs why because of it's potency size only matter when we're talking about same being or thing without any outside side amps similar to how Kakashi susanoo is stronger than Madara's despite being much much smaller. Or how you try to claim Sasuke with cloak susanoo is = to his perfect susanoo even though his PS would be larger than that V3 susanoo but why would you claim that because of it's power potency of having Kurama's chakra amping it. My deidara analogy was best 1 Deidara is amped by Hagoromo while the other is just regular Deidara and the detonate a clay bird same size in explosion but difference in power because one chakra fused with the bird is much much more stronger and powerful because of potency stop acting like it does not exist you coon.

The last sentence also isn't a counter but what did I expect. Him not being able to obliterate the root means the root is that durable because the same explosion obliterated Madara's PS and Hashirama's Mokujin. :lol The larger the explosion, the stronger. That is a fact when it comes to Bijuu Dama.

Destroying Perfect susanoo and Mokujin proves me wrong how?

1. Charged Juubi dama from a jin which automatically puts it above what juubi did
2. It was 4 of them not 1.

Also here is my example Obito encasing his quid Juubi dama reduces the explosion radius but makes it more powerful since it's not all spreaded out that's what im getting at size is not power when bijuu dama A is being amped by Much more potency of chakra.

 

[Lord Tywin]

There were no explosion to be viewed from reader's perspective. An explosion would have energy sphere, but what's seen is smoke dust resulted from SS's punches. Biju Dama's did detonate, but they can't be seen because the dust smoke is engulfing it. PS didn't take damage because the TBB's detonated outside PS's position.

This is the most logical explanation

 

[Unorthodox]

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Smaller Bijuu Dama than the standard.

Explosion of one is as large as the first stage Juubi.

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And the first stage Juubi is far smaller than the second stage Juubi which is as tall (not wide) as a regular Mountain.

This is the explosion of a standard sized BD.

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Mountain Sized in width and height. Juubi at it's biggest is as tall as a Mountain. Not as wide. So in overall size:

Standard Sized BD Explosion>Juubi>>Smallest BD shown in the series.

So the same goes for RSM naruto's BD. Standard>Small in ball size and explosion size.

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vice versa 1st form may not be as tall but it's definitely much wider.

 

[KidGamer65]

Your scan is irrelevant because they are the same size just given different respectives and the ball size means nothing when the first BDFRS Naruto threw was much smaller than the ones that we're Sasuke's Perfect susanoo size but they all exploded the same lol boy this is the definition of what we called straw grasping the bijuu dama your so codependent on is about 10% bigger than the one i showed in that scan when he shot 3 and that size makes no difference to the power when a bijuu dama of that size or radius ball or explosion is still considering the standard Bijuu dama so it's ball being slightly bigger means nothing when it's still the standard Bijuu dama.

Do you even know what perspective is? No, you don't. Perspective is when things are viewed from different distances away. That is not the case in the scan I just posted. What's worse is that even though we are given a closer view on the smaller BD, they are still shown to be smaller than the larger one. Don't speak on things you don't understand cause all it does is make you look dumb.


-BDFRS was never shown to be the size of Sasuke's PS. Stop using inconsistent scans to prove your point. When he threw them both times they were regular sized. When they clashed with the Meteors they were regular sized.

Except that i am right that is the standard even with the bijuu dama barrage it's just a collection of 4-5 standard bijuu damas one being the size of the mouth vs one being a little bigger does not change the power outcome to say that those 3 combined are weaker than 1 that is just barely bigger than one because if you combined the size of those 3 they would be much bigger than the latter so my point still remains. a Srandard Bijuu dama is a Bijuu dama of mouth proportion or a bijuu dama thats takes almost no charge time to use and since it's of mouth proportion it's obviously not a flash BD thus makes it a Standard BD which means all the same power output a almost of noticeable size change does not change that at all.

1. It's not just "a little bigger".
2. Yes, the power outcome is different and my second post right under the one you are replying to right now just addressed that.

Chidori senbon being use through the chakra of those Bijuu alone should tell you it's much more powerful than Perfect susanoo chidori. Lighting was not shown in the first clash because they we're completely even and when techniques are even their is a little burst back situation

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that was not present and the author is clearly giving you insight on the senbons being more powerful as they we're the outliers of the explosion showing how stunned Kurama was and the look on Naruto's face showed that he could not win against it. Also take a step back and think about how could this explosion be weaker? multiple Bijuu damas are involved and A much stronger Susanoo using it's ration affinity attacks if this was even portrayed to be equal if not weaker according to you why would he use 3 bijuu damas if 1 was good enough just stop with the bs. Lighting being over the explosion is emphasis that the senbon is stronger you think Kishi just did that for special effects? You can stop playing that role of a dumbass.

-First sentence is not an argument. It's you thinking that because it's w/ the Bijuu it has to be stronger even though Chidori itself is a much stronger jutsu than Chidori Senbon.

-Don't speak about the author's intent when you can barely read his Manga. :lol Throwing the tag "authors intent" onto your arguments doesn't make them any less stupid. They clashed. They were equal. Period. Nothing else is shown so stop trying to argue it. You sound as stupid as you always do.

-Multiple BD's being involved is irrelevant as they are far smaller than the standard.

-Chidori Senbon w/ Bijuu PS is irrelevant because Chidori Senbon itself is far weaker than Chidori, so unless you can show that the Bijuu amped his Senbon to become more powerful than his Chidori you don't have a point. Since they can only match weaker BD while Chidori matched a stronger BD it's pretty clear to me and anyone else with a brain that Chidori is far stronger.

Because Naruto only took minor damage from the first clash which was just flustered chakra on it's face and arm while that attack hits both sides of Kurama

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you can see the chakra damage being of both sides of kurama body's even extending to it's tails which also took damage in the explosion showing that is was 3x or more stronger than the latter. Gyuki took damage from it's standard bijuu dama clearly but was only KO by it's fully charged bijuu dama which is well above standard unless you think those had the same power outputs.

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meaning Kurama and KB have the ability to withstand an attack like a bijuu dama barrage which is not as powerful as charged bijuu dama as a healthy gyuki was 1 shotted by it so Naruto avatar's surviving that explosion does not mean it's weaker like you trying to proclaim.

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He lost a chunk of his torso and most of his arm. That's similar damage to what the Avatar clones took from the clash you just posted. By your logic that clash should be 3 times as strong as what happened when Chidori and BD clashed thus the damage should be amplified by 3 times or 1.5-2 at least. Yet it isn't. Each avatar clone lost an ear and an arm in the second clash.

And once again. This DOES NOT PROVE YOUR POINT. Chidori Senbon haven't been shown to explode like Chidori can thus they would not make the explosion larger than normal but they would make the power of said explosion increase.

Chidori senbon obviously contributed to its power as it was over the bijuu dama explosion itself showing it was the dominate attack and you keep talking about overpowering a bijuu dama your attack is going to have to be much much more powerful than the Bijuu dama itself to overpower juubi laster blew clean through those Bijuu dama but they exploded so it did not overpower it however Gyuki's tbb attempt at the Juubi's charged Bijuu dama did absolutely zero that's overpowering a bijuu dama.

I never said it didn't. I simply said there is a possibility that it wouldn't increase explosion size. Them still exploding doesn't change a thing I said. "Oooo it's the dominate power so it's stronger" 2 claims you literally pulled out of your ass. They are blatantly shown to be equal. Nothing else is based on anything but your nonsense opinion.

Just stop trying to calculate an explosion well above ground hell above cloud level to the mountains on the ground is completely false especially due to perspective.

in this scan a sky comparison of a single mountain can be attained to the size of 1 of Madara's chibaku tensei's

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we no this scan to be painfully off because chunks were larger than mountain ranges let alone a mountain itself so the sky scaling is way off stop and try again.

It being above ground doesn't make it incalculable. It doesn't become incalculable because you said so either. :lol And what you marked isn't a single Mountain. That is how Mountains are drawn in clusters in this Manga. When the "camera" zooms closer to the ground you can see that said "Mountain" is obviously a cluster of Mountains.

That and the scan where Naruto's BDFRS explodes blatantly show the CT=Shinju width in size. Stop fighting consistent scans with a panel of fragments. :lol

Makes zero since full Kurama standard bijuu dama is the same size as every other bijuu same with half Kurama's standard bijuu dama yet full Kurama's is stronger no? obviously but then we ask our selfs why because of it's potency size only matter when we're talking about same being or thing without any outside side amps similar to how Kakashi susanoo is stronger than Madara's despite being much much smaller. Or how you try to claim Sasuke with cloak susanoo is = to his perfect susanoo even though his PS would be larger than that V3 susanoo but why would you claim that because of it's power potency of having Kurama's chakra amping it. My deidara analogy was best 1 Deidara is amped by Hagoromo while the other is just regular Deidara and the detonate a clay bird same size in explosion but difference in power because one chakra fused with the bird is much much more stronger and powerful because of potency stop acting like it does not exist you coon.

Kurama is stronger than the rest of the Bijuu because it's chakra dwarfs the rest. Every other standard BD is equal in size in power regardless of the Bijuu firing it as long as we aren't talking about the Juubi.

-Bijuu's 1-5 had equal BD.
-Bijuu's 1-5 combined BD=Kurama's Flash BD even though Kurama>>>>Bijuus 1-5 in power.

When Naruto got RSM the size of the ball of his standard BD did not increase. Only the size of the explosion, meaning more potent chakra results in a larger explosion. That's a fact. Stop denying this fact.

Stop mentioning Susanoo. Stop mentioning Deidara. Start addressing the argument at hand dumbass. Susanoo isn't Bijuu Dama. Deidara's explosives aren't Bijuu Dama. We are arguing about Bijuu Dama. Not Susanoo or anything else you want to pull out of your ass.

Destroying Perfect susanoo and Mokujin proves me wrong how?

1. Charged Juubi dama from a jin which automatically puts it above what juubi did
2. It was 4 of them not 1.

Also here is my example Obito encasing his quid Juubi dama reduces the explosion radius but makes it more powerful since it's not all spreaded out that's what im getting at size is not power when bijuu dama A is being amped by Much more potency of chakra.

It means that the root is strong enough to survive it, so mentioning it doesn't help your argument.

1. Ok? How does this matter?
2. Ok? How does this matter?

And how does the bold prove your claim? Literally nothing you've posted here disproves the fact that BD size of explosion=power. The bold isn't an example of more potent chakra vs. less potent chakra. It's an example of more concentrated area vs. less concentrated area. Irrelevant to this discussion.

If you think reducing the area the BD affects is the same as reducing the actual size of the explosion then you are dumber than I thought. :lol Does pouring water from a larger container to a smaller container change the amount of water? No clown. It doesn't.