Madara has teh biggest heart in the shinobi world..

[Tauren Chieftain]

Madara has the biggest heart in NV. As well as the biggest body in general. Balloon Uchiha.

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Don´t mock a divine being. It is written :end is near ,end of the world you know, those non believers will soon meet his wrath.He would open the gates of hell, to unleash the fury no mortal has ever seen.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

The only reason kaguya is involved in the plot is because kishi couldn't figure out how to defeat madara.

Nah, in that instance he literally just didn't need to take prominence as the main villain in the first place. He'd already had a fair bit to do against the 5 kage and Hashirama. Kaguya foreshadowing also begins a little before the big MD. There were a couple of ways, Kishi just loved his Final Fantasy final boss idea.

 

[UCHIHAKUNOICHI]

Madara literally gave no reaction. Project on him all you like, Madara is still

a.) Mad
b.) loving bloodshed
c.) stole his motivation from a better villain
d.) not Tobi ;p

I don't disagree from you. Actually everything you said it's true. Although, it must be said that he turned out like this because a lot of situations. Pointing out he is just crazy, obssessed and a war lover, it would be disregard everything he went through and a lot of character developement.
You can't just go saying to a person that she or he is crazy because they don't trust anymore the system that turned their reality into hell. He was a good person inside, he even cooperated with Hashirama and Tobirama - who KILLED his younger brother- to create peace.

So this is why I think it really hurt to stab Sasuke. He couldn't let go of his memories, specially Izuna's and his clan's. And how much it hurt him when all of them went away (including Sasuke) .


I think this sums it up.

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[minamoto]

Kishimoto doesn't get to decide what of his writing is good or not? That's the audiences job.

His plan did not succeed and he was an absolute pawn of Kaguya/BZ. He was a manipulated middle man for her revival, his plan would've turned everyone into white zetsus.

'Evidence'. His motivation is a direct rip from Obito's from an audience perspective.

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His 'peace' motivation contradicts his love for battle and bloodshed. He turns evil in a completely unconvincing way that makes him look like a stereotypical pantomime villain.

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Not to mention Madara simply does nothing interesting with his short time as main villain. Boringly defeating characters right, left and centre seems like pointless padding and filler in the already overly long battlefield.

Kishi saying he doesn't know how to defeat Madara is literally him saying he has written a poor villain and written himself into a hole.

He's a bland antagonist, which is a shame bc he was originally one of my favourites. If you think strength is what determines a good character then that says it all.

1) we are not talking about kishimoto's overall writing to tell me about teh audience job...we are just talking about Madara..and kishimto's opinion about Madara is the first opinion that matters...you said he is a terrible villain..do you know better then kishimoto???..no you don't neither do i !...not to mention that you are one of teh fewest who says Madara was a terrible villlain...


2) Madara's plan succeed ....his goal was to cast mugen tsukoyomi..and it happened (tho few things didn't go as he planed)

3)you are a native english speaker ..aren't you? ...then plz learn how to make a difference between some1 who got betrayed and some1 who was played like pawn puppet...cuz in madara's case, he was betrayed cowardly by black zetsu...just imagine if black zetsu failed backstabbing Madara, what would happen to black zetsu??...huh?


4)kishi sayin he can't kill madara clearly means HE IS TOO OP AND MASTERMIND...."no 1 could defeat Madara in fight...so i must creat a black zetsu backstab plot to stop him"....this is the true meaning Mr yakushi...and im pretty sure you know this...but you just like to deny it..


5) strenght never determines if a character is good or not...i alreeady posted threads saying this tooo..forexemple in naruto manga villains dont need to be strong to be final villains....they just need to be mastermind evils...for exemple look at black zetsu he is just a black liquid ...but what made him a final villain is him plotting and being a mastermind...

6)-why i think tobidara is the greatest character becuz he is number 1 mastermind and evil character...he was the reason why many plots happened in the manga...

 

[Amenotejikara]

Nah, in that instance he literally just didn't need to take prominence as the main villain in the first place. He'd already had a fair bit to do against the 5 kage and Hashirama. Kaguya foreshadowing also begins a little before the big MD. There were a couple of ways, Kishi just loved his Final Fantasy final boss idea.

What foreshadowing? there was nothing about her or implied her till like the last 20-30 so chapters. kishi literally said madara had no weakness and couldn't figure out how to defeat madara and that interview was before madara even became a juubi jin. Now I'll agree it's possible kishi like his databooks enjoys hyping characters beyond reason and that kishi didn't meant madara as unbeatable but rather unbeatable until he found correct conditions to progress the plot the right way but still, I know kishi's style. he doesn't plan most shit hundreds and hundreds of chapters ahead like oda. he's alot like akira if not worst because it's almost disturbing how much he frequently changes ideas at the whim or because his editor told him so and kaguya is a perfect example of that. She's literally an afterthought of uchiha madara.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

3)you are a native english speaker ..aren't you? ...then plz learn how to make a difference between some1 who got betrayed and some1 who was played like pawn puppet

I Lol'd at this.

Also Madara was betrayed by the Uchiha tablet. To be manipulated you have to have faith in something. They're the same.

What if BZ didn't stab Madara? What would've happened then?! Yeah, but he didn't, did he. Even if BZ hadn't assumed control the Tsuki no Me that everybody was already creating the White Zetsu world.

 

[minamoto]

I Lol'd at this.

Also Madara was betrayed by the Uchiha tablet. To be manipulated you have to have faith in something. They're the same. Also, Madara didn't fail, and even if BZ hadn't assumed control the Tsuki no Me that everybody was already creating the White Zetsu world.

let me tell you something....there's a big portion of truth missing in teh whole Madara mystery ( tobidara..)

Madara read the uchiha tablet and learned about the story of kaguya and shinju fruit.....to Madara's knowledge the sage of 6 pathes was the one who wrote it right???...thus :

do you think that Madara is dumb stupid to not realize that the uchiha stone was faked??...i mean Madara must knew that some nice man like hagoromo can not be teh one who wrote about an evil ifinit tsukoyomi ritual...


-thus Madara took just what is usefull for his ultimate plan the dream woorld and droped the rest....

-the dream world is madara's true goal..it comes after madara casts his mugen tsukoyomi....but becuz of black zetsus betrayal the dreamwold stage didn't happen...


-for god of sake, you have to believe me that tobidara indeed exist... tobidara reveal will solve many unsolved mysterries...befor even madara creats zetsus how could he move oustside his cave in that weak old state and implant his rinnegans to nagato?..how could he kinddap Rin and controll the mist anbus..when he was attached to the gedo mazo unable to move,the zetsus weren't even created yet to help him...this must be tobidara's doings...the one who controlled yagura is the same one who controlled the mist anbus and planned rin's death...


-do me a favor...if u have love of truth go see chapter 601 page 14 or 13 i think notice when obito's right arm had human flesh under zetsu skin (right side)....obito freezed and madara spoke to that human flesh...that human flesh is tobidara under obito's zetsu skin controling him

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

let me tell you something....there's a big portion of truth missing in teh whole Madara mystery ( tobidara..)

Madara read the uchiha tablet and learned about the story of kaguya and shinju fruit.....to Madara's knowledge the sage of 6 pathes was the one who wrote it right???...thus :

do you think that Madara is dumb stupid to not realize that the uchiha stone was faked??...i mean Madara must knew that some nice man like hagoromo can not be teh one who wrote about an evil ifinit tsukoyomi ritual...


-thus Madara took just what is usefull for his ultimate plan the dream woorld and droped the rest....

-the dream world is madara's true goal..it comes after madara casts his mugen tsukoyomi....but becuz of black zetsus betrayal the dreamwold stage didn't happen...


-for god of sake, you have to believe me that tobidara indeed exist... tobidara reveal will solve many unsolved mysterries...befor even madara creats zetsus how could he move oustside his cave in that weak old state and implant his rinnegans to nagato?..how could he kinddap Rin and controll the mist anbus..when he was attached to the gedo mazo unable to move,the zetsus weren't even created yet to help him...this must be tobidara's doings...the one who controlled yagura is the same one who controlled the mist anbus and planned rin's death...


-do me a favor...if u have love of truth go see chapter 601 page 14 or 13 i think notice when obito's right arm had human flesh under zetsu skin (right side)....obito freezed and madara spoke to that human flesh...that human flesh is tobidara under obito's zetsu skin controling him

If Madara is aware that the Uchiha tablet was full of lies (which, how could he) then that makes him an even bigger idiot for risking the entire world for it.

As for the rest, the english has to improve and the 'Tobidara' denial has to die out to be readable.

 

[Esdez]

madara will make teh boruto manga great again

 

[minamoto]

If Madara is aware that the Uchiha tablet was full of lies (which, how could he) then that makes him an even bigger idiot for risking the entire world for it.

As for the rest, the english has to improve and the 'Tobidara' denial has to die out to be readable.

you clearly didn't write my post entirely....i said Madara read teh uchiha stone AND JUST TOOK WHAT IT WAS USEFULL FOR HIS PLAN....that dont make him stupid ...it just make him smart..


- you know well i make sense ...but u r just denying my points...



-if you were a true debater , you would never target my english.....if you were a true debater you would give me a chance to explain my tobidara theory...but no, all you care about is to gather rep+, thanks and lot of subscibers to your youtube channel...have fun with that but remember TOBIDARA >>>> KABUTO YAKUSHI!

 

[Sagebee]

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1-Madara's stabbing sasuke and defeating him....a Madara's Cruelty?????? :

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2-but then watch closely Madara's Reaction to sasuke's agoning :

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I'm pretty sure in this action Madara felt pitty and sorry for killing a young uchiha sasuke..but like tobirama says : "uchihas were teh biggest lovers"..


Madara never wanted to kill sasuke ...in fact sasuke asked for it..



-im pretty sure Madara will come back in teh boruto manga!

He gets his niceness from his hashi heart

 

[minamoto]

He gets his niceness from his hashi heart

Tobidara's cruelty >>>> Madara's niceness..