Madara has made himself base SO6P/He is above Juubito's connection to SO6P

[China IL]

I only read the title, your explaination on why wouldn't matter because Madara can't do the things I said, which base SO6P can do.


But, I did read it after you posted and I still stand by my Opinion.

Problem?

You can't please everyone so I'm contempt with the fact that you read it.

 

[Seventh Sama]

If he gained the Rinnegan after obtaining the Juubi, then his son wouldn't have been born with his eyes. When he gave up his power with the Juubi, he created the Juubi. This had to happen before his two sons were born or they both would have been born with Juubi chakra, but they weren't.

The sage could've created them with COAT, also aren't priests/monks celibate? so i doubt he had a wife.

He stated he can use the full power of the Rinnegan.
He has Rikudou's Chakra through his Uchiha and Senju lineage, now increased wi SM.
He summoned a meteor which dwarfed a desert something Kabuto stated its Sage's power.

So yeah, he can create a moon since he stated he can use full power of Rinnegan.

I didn't know having the rinnegan automatically gives madara, Rikudou's feats...

 

[China IL]

Madara just used preta on Hashirama, it's not body life energy ability.

The Obito theory just contradicted chapter 606 and 607.

With two clans in one, he has the sages power (rikudou Justus)

He didn't use them, because he didn't want too.

He implied that in the first appearance of his six path bodies.

Madara didn't have Rinnegan at the time, and the jutsu Madara's using looks different from Preta.

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Madara's has a bubbly form around whatever limb he usues.

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[Bronze]

The sage could've created them with COAT, also aren't priests/monks celibate? so i doubt he had a wife.



I didn't know having the rinnegan automatically gives madara, Rikudou's feats...

Have school taught you how to read? Probably not.

Madara states he can use the FULL power of Rinnegan. That statement alone makes his feats equal to the Sage. Now add with Uchiha, Senju and SM, then he can as he dropped a gigantic Meteor.

 

[Seventh Sama]

Have school taught you how to read? Probably not.

Madara states he can use the FULL power of Rinnegan. That statement alone makes his feats equal to the Sage. Now add with Uchiha, Senju and SM, then he can as he dropped a gigantic Meteor.

(Rikudou)Full mastery of the rinnegan>Full power(Madara), No where is it stated that madara has full mastery over the rinnegan.... and no need for insults :|

 

[China IL]

The sage could've created them with COAT, also aren't priests/monks celibate? so i doubt he had a wife.



I didn't know having the rinnegan automatically gives madara, Rikudou's feats...

You mean like Kurama cloak? How could he do that when he doens't have the Juubi anymore?

No it doesn't, but having both the body and eyes of the Sage does.

(Rikudou)Full mastery of the rinnegan>Full power(Madara), No where is it stated that madara has full mastery over the rinnegan.... and no need for insults :|

Harnessing the full power of something is having full mastery of it. Madara had plenty of time to master Rinnegan, as he had just given his Rinnegan to Nagato when Jiraiya was just in his twenties.

 

[VongolaX]

Madara didn't have Rinnegan at the time, and the jutsu Madara's using looks different from Preta.

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Madara's has a bubbly form around whatever limb he usues.

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That's why I said it contradicted 606

You can use rikudou Justu without the rinnegan.

As long as you have uchiha and senju powers, you can use rikudou Justus.

Madara just said you have to use the black rods for it in chapter 606, page 16.

He just told Hashirama that with both powers you can find harmony.

Might is the key to peace (elder son), what is ultimate powers?

The sage of six path...

He provides an example by using preta

 

[Seventh Sama]

You mean like Kurama cloak? How could he do that when he doens't have the Juubi anymore?

No it doesn't, but having both the body and eyes of the Sage does.

He could've created them when he was the Jin or he could've used Jubi's chakra to create them. but we have to wait and see...

 

[China IL]

That's why I said it contradicted 606

You can use rikudou Justu without the rinnegan.

As long as you have uchiha and senju powers, you can use rikudou Justus.

Madara just said you have to use the black rods for it in chapter 606, page 16.

He just told Hashirama that with both powers you can find harmony.

Might is the key to peace (elder son), what is ultimate powers?

The sage of six path...

He provides an example by using preta

That's still not a valid counter to my post or theory. What your telling me is that preta path, which has not been shown with any kind of special reasoning, is harmony. Harmony is found when both the elder clans have come together in one body. That has been done once before, and that was the SO6P, whch the two clan's bloodlines originate from. Harmony is both the body and eyes of the Sage in a functioning Sage body.

He could've created them when he was the Jin or he could've used Jubi's chakra to create them. but we have to wait and see...

That makes zero sence :|

 

[KisuneUchiha]

I agree with this theory EXCEPT for the part where you said Obito is a descendant of Madara because when Obito said "You mean my ancestor Madara Uchiha" He meant Madara is legendary in the Uchiha Clan as the strongest Uchiha to date. And that technically every Uchiha is related to Madara in some way lol because a clan is an extended family lol XD

 

[China IL]

Woah woah woah, no, This theory is wrong and flawed



One. ALL UCHIHAS ARE DESCENDANTS OF THE ELDER SON, The Manga expressed it greatly

You said the elder son created the Uchiha, BUT then you go on to say they must be descendants of him.

You contradicted yourself :|Obito is just as an descendant to the elder just like madara.

Madara himself said Obito BECAME the sage of the six paths, what the heck are you getting this shit of obito not having ninjutsu??


THE only thing that may differ between obito and Madara is this

obito became Jin of a INCOMPLETE JUUBI

While Madara may become jin of a Complete juubi

that Don't make madara closer to the elder son, nor makes obito lesser of a descendant, it all goes to the juubi forms

Plus, Madara DON'T have the elder son's eye, show me a panel with madara having Spiral eyes

lol, I didn't even notice this post.

I specifaclly said direct descandant, I knew some smart-a*s like you would try this.

Whats' the point in reading my theory if your not going to comprehend it?

 

[VongolaX]

That's still not a valid counter to my post or theory. What your telling me is that preta path, which has not been shown with any kind of special reasoning, is harmony. Harmony is found when both the elder clans have come together in one body. That has been done once before, and that was the SO6P, whch the two clan's bloodlines originate from. Harmony is both the body and eyes of the Sage in a functioning Sage body.



That makes zero sence :|

What I'm telling you is that power, is harmony.

By saying that (Madara) uses the rikudou Justu preta to back up what he statement.

If not for my URL, I would show you two scans proving what I'm saying.

You can use rikudou Justus through the eyes or through senju and uchiha power/blood.

To awaken the full power, you put them together: eyes+uchiha blood/power+senju blood/power.

The power of uchiha is from the optic nerves that are released from the brain

Meaning uchiha power is released through the brain, and senju is the body.

That's why Madara used preta and Susanoo blind.

 

[China IL]

What I'm telling you is that power, is harmony.

By saying that (Madara) uses the rikudou Justu preta to back up what he statement.

If not for my URL, I would show you two scans proving what I'm saying.

You can use rikudou Justus through the eyes or through senju and uchiha power/blood.

To awaken the full power, you put them together: eyes+uchiha blood/power+senju blood/power.

The power of uchiha is from the optic nerves that are released from the brain

Meaning uchiha power is released through the brain, and senju is the body.

That's why Madara used preta and Susanoo blind.

Were on the same page atleast Everything before the bolded is what my theory stands for

@bold Just different conclusions.

Since this is just a theory, my conclusion isn't fact. Everything beofre my concluion or theory, is just fact to back my theory up. Were both using the same logic, but getting to different conclusion. Everything you said is right, so we really can't contradict each other. were basically at a stalemate. I can't argue and say that my theory is fact basically.

 

[VongolaX]

Were on the same page atleast Everything before the bolded is what my theory stands for

@bold Just different conclusions.

Since this is just a theory, my conclusion isn't fact. Everything beofre my concluion or theory, is just fact to back my theory up. Were both using the same logic, but getting to different conclusion. Everything you said is right, so we really can't contradict each other. were basically at a stalemate. I can't argue and say that my theory is fact basically.

Using rikudou justu with black rods:

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Preta through black rods:

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Here is Tobi being revealed as uchiha and senjuequaling sages power: (inyouton and rikudou justus)

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Here is Tobi summoning Gedo without the Rinnegan:

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Everything i post is factual

 

[China IL]

Using rikudou justu with black rods:

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Preta through black rods:

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Here is Tobi being revealed as uchiha and senjuequaling sages power: (inyouton and rikudou justus)

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Here is Tobi summoning Gedo without the Rinnegan:

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Everything i post is factual

No9thing that you psted contradicts what I said at all. I said in my theory that Obito had Senju and Uchiha chakra, and a SO6P body. It was just weak artificial

 

[VongolaX]

You said that Obito couldn't preform any of those Justus.

Right now I'm looking at MS Obito with Gedo.

Also Obito is not made from a zetsu clone, it wasn't shown nor was it said that he had a zetsu clone.

The only reason why he bother to take the rinnegan, is to control Gedo well enough to be mobile.

How can Obito not know any rikudou technique.

 

[China IL]

You said that Obito couldn't preform any of those Justus.

Right now I'm looking at MS Obito with Gedo.

Also Obito is not made from a zetsu clone, it wasn't shown nor was it said that he had a zetsu clone.

The only reason why he bother to take the rinnegan, is to control Gedo well enough to be mobile.

How can Obito not know any rikudou technique.

By SO6P ninjutsu, I meant base SO6P. As in the Rinnegan ninjutsu that Madara used.

Obito's right half is made of white Zetsu, Madara used it to replace what was lost by the boulder.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Great thread OP

I agree about Madara being on Pre Jin Sage of six paths's level, but soon not yet.

Pre Jin SOSP = Senjuu+Uchiha in one body + Senjutsu + double Rinnegan with mastery over it
Current Madara= Senjuu + Uchiha in one body + Senjutsu(stolen, can NOT enter it by himself yet) + one Rinnegan

See ?, Madara still lack one Rinnegan at least to be on Pre Jin SOSP's level. Most likely he lacks being able to enter SM on his own.

Also Juubi Jin Obito is stronger then Madara for now, until Madara becomes Juubi Jin as well.

Anyway, BIG NO To Madara after becoming Juubi jin being equal Juubi jin SOSP. JUST Stop and no.

Juubi Jin SOSP is beyond everyone's level and WILL NEVER GOT Surpassed, most likely never matched.

Juubi Jin SOSP was true only one God in NV and he should only stay at once and exceptional.

IMO:

Juubi Jin SOSP > Juubi Jin Madara(Theoretically if he becomes jin) > Post Jin SOSP >= Juubi Jin Obito > Pre Jin SOSP= Current Madara with double Rinnegan > Current Madara > Rinnegan Obito

Deal with it

 

[Xāvî1]

He isn't Base form SO6P

 

[miromiro]

I like your theory, though I don't see anyone, in any form, being any close to the Rikudou Sennin. Even if Madara becomes Juubi Jinchuuriki, he'll be still behind pre Juubi Jinchuuriki Hagoromo, I'm afraid. Though they should be close.