Madara - flawless

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Again this is a what if scenario. If people would not be turned into white zestu. Nobody would be harmed. Atleast if nobody opposes him

What about Obito rin kakashi and Nagato's parents what about the rain ninja? Along with the other shinobi who were killed in those wars prior to Madaras death that he orchestrated?
 

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It wasn't a flawless plan lol if that where the case he wouldn't have needed Kabuto to revive him. Things didn't pan out the way they where originally meant to although he made the best of what was presented though he did in fact get lucky.
Okay I rephrase my main point. Though I admit I was not precise enough. When I said his plan (without the white zetsu part) is flawless. I mean the fact that it is the ultimate form of peace and that neither the Kage nor Nauto or anyone in general can say anything against it. It would create to everyone the ideal world and would be the perfect plan for world peace in eternity and you cannot argue against that.
 

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what is wrong with the part where they turn into white zetsu that makes it even more evil he is an antagonist.
 

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dream world would allow them to break even in the end. even if they killed real people they woukd be alive again. lol.
 

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It'll cause human extinction from no babies being born, it's actually uber retarded in that regard
 

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It'll cause human extinction from no babies being born, it's actually uber retarded in that regard

In the world where they are living babies would stil be borned, so humanity continues in that regard :|
 

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Okay I rephrase my main point. Though I admit I was not precise enough. When I said his plan (without the white zetsu part) is flawless. I mean the fact that it is the ultimate form of peace and that neither the Kage nor Nauto or anyone in general can say anything against it. It would create to everyone the ideal world and would be the perfect plan for world peace in eternity and you cannot argue against that.

Actually yes I can lol. There's this thing called free will and real life. I think if everyone was given an option they wouldn't allow Madara to rap them up in cocoons and cast them in an illusion lol. It's flawed on so many levels it's not funny. It would be a false sense of peace. The people in IT aren't actually living, everyone is in a dream. No one is actually interacting with others or procreating. Would it stop Ninja War? Yes, but at what cost? It sure as heck wouldn't be an ideal world. He's basically trying to stop the cycle of life to end the cycle of hatred. At the end of the day that doesn't do any good because people still want to live their actual lives. When Obito told the kage about IT do you think they jumped in joy over the news? No. It caused more war and more fatalities. Why? Because people objected to it. The problem with Madara is he's possessed. Sense birth he was an Indra reincarnate and he shares the same ideas and way of thinking as the sage mentioned. Madara doesn't believe in a democracy. You take away or try to take away peoples freedom or their right to chose the way they want to live then they're gonna make a fuss about it and damn right it's going to be a war. Yes people opposed Madara but Madara opposed them first by trying to change their REAL lives away from them. He may not be the DIRECT cause of everything that happened but he damn sure should be considered the root if you want to count this as his plan and not Black Zetsus. The fact that you even consider this to be a good idea is kind of alarming.
 

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Actually yes I can lol. There's this thing called free will and real life. I think if everyone was given an option they wouldn't allow Madara to rap them up in cocoons and cast them in an illusion lol. It's flawed on so many levels it's not funny. It would be a false sense of peace. The people in IT aren't actually living, everyone is in a dream. No one is actually interacting with others or procreating. Would it stop Ninja War? Yes, but at what cost? It sure as heck wouldn't be an ideal world. He's basically trying to stop the cycle of life to end the cycle of hatred. At the end of the day that doesn't do any good because people still want to live their actual lives. When Obito told the kage about IT do you think they jumped in joy over the news? No. It caused more war and more fatalities. Why? Because people objected to it. The problem with Madara is he's possessed. Sense birth he was an Indra reincarnate and he shares the same ideas and way of thinking as the sage mentioned. Madara doesn't believe in a democracy. You take away or try to take away peoples freedom or their right to chose the way they want to live then they're gonna make a fuss about it and damn right it's going to be a war. Yes people opposed Madara but Madara opposed them first by trying to change their REAL lives away from them. He may not be the DIRECT cause of everything that happened but he damn sure should be considered the root if you want to count this as his plan and not Black Zetsus. The fact that you even consider this to be a good idea is kind of alarming.
@BOLD Actually the people in IT have ultimate freedom. They can create the world like they want. They can interact with people if they want to. They can be alone if they want to. Everything depends on them. Also democracy failed on multiple occasions. Also they are living. Like I said before. The people perceive IT as real hence it is real. An example what if we are currently living in an illusion. Of course you would call me crazy for asking such a question, but can you really be certain that you are not in an illusion. You would not question it , because the things around you seem to be real so they have to be real. in this sense the people in IT would continue their lives. They would look at the IT world as real, so technically they are living and again they have in IT even more freedom than in "real life"
 

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I'd think a dream world where all your dreams could come true would be cool, but it would have been nicer if he'd ask first.
 

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I'd think a dream world where all your dreams could come true would be cool, but it would have been nicer if he'd ask first.

I agree on that part, but hey like he said everyone is happy
 

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I agree on that part, but hey like he said everyone is happy

My only dream is for everyone, even him, to just be happy in Konoha. It's a crazy idea.. but I'd think that'd be a great happy ending.
 

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My only dream is for everyone, even him, to just be happy in Konoha. It's a crazy idea.. but I'd think that'd be a great happy ending.
It would be a happy ending, but it would not make much sense
 

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@BOLD Actually the people in IT have ultimate freedom. They can create the world like they want. They can interact with people if they want to. They can be alone if they want to. Everything depends on them. Also democracy failed on multiple occasions. Also they are living. Like I said before. The people perceive IT as real hence it is real. An example what if we are currently living in an illusion. Of course you would call me crazy for asking such a question, but can you really be certain that you are not in an illusion. You would not question it , because the things around you seem to be real so they have to be real. in this sense the people in IT would continue their lives. They would look at the IT world as real, so technically they are living and again they have in IT even more freedom than in "real life"

Well I'm sure that there is a lot of BS behind politics but no I don't think I'm living in an illusion. I'm living my real life and if I just so happen to "snap out of it" and it turns out this was all fake then oh well. No an illusion is not real lol. And they don't perceive it because they're not even conscious of it lol. Democracy may not be perfect but if you look at the real world America became a striving nation economically and it's inhabitants prospered because of practices such as Democracy and and Capitalism. Practices where people where able to chose who governs them and venture out, thus starting their own businesses. Are we perfect? Absolutely not. Do we still have problems in our country? Yes we do; however, if you look at other countries who use systems like dictatorship and communism, they do not strive and their nations experience the most chaos. That oppression leads citizens to revolt and fight in an attempt at gaining freedom. Then you have leaders of these nations doing things like bombing protesters and sending militia out into the street to kill people who simply want a better standard of living. Just compare America over the last forty years to other countries with opposing policies.

I'm sorry to bust your bubble but people forced into an illusion, no matter what that illusion might be, do not have freedom. They are not experiencing the real world per say and again as I've mentioned the circle of life is basically cut off because they are not actually interacting with anyone else and are not pro creating. People where meant biologically and spiritually made to live reproduce and kill over.
 

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Well I'm sure that there is a lot of BS behind politics but no I don't think I'm living in an illusion. I'm living my real life and if I just so happen to "snap out of it" and it turns out this was all fake then oh well. No an illusion is not real lol. And they don't perceive it because they're not even conscious of it lol. Democracy may not be perfect but if you look at the real world America became a striving nation economically and it's inhabitants prospered because of practices such as Democracy and and Capitalism. Practices where people where able to chose who governs them and venture out, thus starting their own businesses. Are we perfect? Absolutely not. Do we still have problems in our country? Yes we do; however, if you look at other countries who use systems like dictatorship and communism, they do not strive and their nations experience the most chaos. That oppression leads citizens to revolt and fight in an attempt at gaining freedom. Then you have leaders of these nations doing things like bombing protesters and sending militia out into the street to kill people who simply want a better standard of living. Just compare America over the last forty years to other countries with opposing policies.

I'm sorry to bust your bubble but people forced into an illusion, no matter what that illusion might be, do not have freedom. They are not experiencing the real world per say and again as I've mentioned the circle of life is basically cut off because they are not actually interacting with anyone else and are not pro creating. People where meant biologically and spiritually made to live reproduce and kill over.
I see. You gave reasonably arguments. Though at this point we will just argue back and forth. Obviously I do not convince you and I do not completely agree with you either, so I agree to disagree. :)
 

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I see. You gave reasonably arguments. Though at this point we will just argue back and forth. Obviously I do not convince you and I do not completely agree with you either, so I agree to disagree. :)

Fair enough good argument though.
 

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In the world where they are living babies would stil be borned, so humanity continues in that regard :|

Of course it's all a dream so no REAL babies are made, you'd have to be stupid to think that's a flawless plan.
 

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Of course it's all a dream so no REAL babies are made, you'd have to be stupid to think that's a flawless plan.

Ehmm you know that in this world the babibes would just grow up and produce other babies. It would just work like in the "real world", but if I consider your reaction I would guess you do no agree with me which is fine. Fair enough :|
 
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