Madara Facts.

[Badass09]

Well, looks like mods are erasing Madara vs Hashi's thread its kinda rude.
Did it break any rules?

Well, anyway I wanted to have this topic to get to know what I don't know.
Let's start:

Who think Edo Madara is different from Original Madara when in fight he doesn't even get hurt and is always far from being killed what is Edo of use in this case?

And also Hashirama's cells, what does it exactly do? From what I've seen it only allowed Madara to use wood style which he only used once or twice, then what would it be of use then if he barely use it? Are there more behind the DNA's stuffs?
Oro had all kind of DNA why didn't he get to be the strongest ninja ever if DNA's power's up as hell?

Rinnegan is the only main thing that makes the difference between this Madara and the old one.


People used to say that Madara's fight with Hashirama was just epic and in the whole world there was no one capable of facing one of them if not being them facing each other. Their fighting level was quite the same or similar as what Madara is now showing and this is what I believe.
Den yelled saying only Hashi could defeat Madara and he knew what he was saying.
If original Madara was lot weaker than what he is now then lot of people already surpassed him and I even go ahead to say that Sasuke vs Itachi was a more intensive fight regarding Madara vs Hashirama even though Itachi was holding back.

Which level do you guys think Hashi and Madara used to fight? They were in a whole different level and it's what Madara is showing and he only used his rinnengan techs once or twice he used deva path and the meteor...

I don't think his fight with hashi didn't reach the level he is showing now. :|

And plus they were the closest to the SO6P and the closest generation to regarding to the naruto verse's new generation.

Hope mods don't let me down. U_U

 

[Madara mhm]

Bro... how do you know it wasnt intense... the fight happened way before the series even started -.- Cant just say there fight was lame... were talking about the 2 shinobis who where known and acknowledged by every other village during their time.

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

Senju DNA boost Uchiha tech's we have seen this with danzo and him extending the izanagi time limit to 60 seconds and danzo reducing KA time limit from 10 years. Hashirama Dna allows Mokuton.

 

[Badass09]

Bro... how do you know it wasnt intense... the fight happened way before the series even started -.- Cant just say there fight was lame... were talking about the 2 shinobis who where known and acknowledged by every other village during their time.

Exactly, see? See just how they are known?
Then why doubt that their fight reached the actual level Madara is showing to the kages?
Less than that it would be lame... :|

And they were the closest to the SO6P regarding to the new generation.

I believe their fight were intense because of their fighting level was similar as Madara is now showing otherwise it would be LAME.

 

[Madara mhm]

Exactly, see? See just how they are known?
Then why doubt that their fight reached the actual level Madara is showing to the kages?
Less than that it would be lame... :|

And they were one of the closest to the SO6P regarding to the new generation.

I believe their fight were intense because of their fighting level was similar as Madara is now showing otherwise it would be LAME.

So what you're saying is madara is fighting the way he fought hashirama years ago? No because hashirama was his #1 Rival meaning he would of gone all out but yeh i agree hes turned it up a notch in this battle... i doubt he used the overpowered susano'o during his reign with hashirama... instead used kurama.. maybe he didn't know this technique before he even fought it out with hashirama?? we'll never know the guy is just too Overly obsessed with war domination lol.

 

[Badass09]

Senju DNA boost Uchiha tech's we have seen this with danzo and him extending the izanagi time limit to 60 seconds and danzo reducing KA time limit from 10 years. Hashirama Dna allows Mokuton.

Boost uchiha's tech but Danzo ain't uchiha and so far yet I haven't seen Madara having any of his techs boosted up and there are plenty of hints that Sasuke will be at Madara's level and I don't think he will need senju's DNA.
What Madara is doing now is what he could perfectly do without senju's DNA (sure, excluding rinnengan and mokuton stuffs.)

 

[hiitz]

Uchiha+Senju=SO6P
Math do you get it ?

 

[naruttebayo]

madara is nothing but a plot hole . lol

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

Boost uchiha's tech but Danzo ain't uchiha and so far yet I haven't seen Madara having any of his techs boosted up and there are plenty of hints that Sasuke will be at Madara's level and I don't think he will need senju's DNA.
What Madara is doing now is what he could perfectly do without senju's DNA (sure, excluding rinnengan and mokuton stuffs.)

Dude have you seen how big his susano is and you haven't seen anything boosted? we can't be sure but it is likely senju DNA. Also how can you say you haven't seen any of his techs boosted, have you seen the battle between the 1st and madara? so how do you know his techs have not been boosted.

I don't think sasuke is getting to Edo madara's level. His EMS level against the first yes I think he will surpass this level quite easily.

What Madara is doing now is what he could perfectly do without senju's DNA

HOW THE HELL DO YOU KNOW THIS!!
And with that I am referring to when you said perfectly

 

[Badass09]

So what you're saying is madara is fighting the way he fought hashirama years ago? No because hashirama was his #1 Rival meaning he would of gone all out but yeh i agree hes turned it up a notch in this battle... i doubt he used the overpowered susano'o during his reign with hashirama... instead used kurama.. maybe he didn't know this technique before he even fought it out with hashirama?? we'll never know the guy is just too Overly obsessed with war domination lol.

I'm saying that the level he is showing ain't that "different" from the level he showed while fighting Hashirama and plus if Hashirama was there sure he would be able to keep up with Madara just like old times. When he was using his ultimate jutsu he talked just as if he already used it before because he already knows about it then yeah he used it against Hashirama. The most incredible part is that he lost to Hashirama and I can't even think of him losing to Hashirama but it shows how great Hashi was then if they were fighting at similar level of what Madara is showing now then if it was Hashirama for instance in Madara's place then the tale would be the same. :|

 

[Badass09]

Uchiha+Senju=SO6P
Math do you get it ?

LOOL,
What Madara is showing is SO6P level?
As an uchiha and if he gets Senju DNA then he is at SO6P level? Is it what you're trying to say? :sy:
Orochimaru sure had uchiha's DNA and Senju's DNA but look how strong he was...

Dude have you seen how big his susano is and you haven't seen anything boosted? we can't be sure but it is likely senju DNA. Also how can you say you haven't seen any of his techs boosted, have you seen the battle between the 1st and madara? so how do you know his techs have not been boosted.

I don't think sasuke is getting to Edo madara's level. His EMS level against the first yes I think he will surpass this level quite easily.



HOW THE HELL DO YOU KNOW THIS!!

See here is the problem, have you seen it also? Then why you say it is that way because of senju DNA? Madara are used to his power he is about to use now so yeah he could use it before having senju's DNA he only wanted to try new jutsus at the beginning such a jutsu as meteor and wood style which were those he didn't use before that's why he wanted to try it.
But all other jutsus are familiar to him which means he already used them before coming back to life as an edo...

From what I've seen so far from uchiha's then yup I truly think Madara ain't doing anything he couldn't before when it comes to using his own techs.


Yeah, Sasuke will get to Madara's level or even surpass him. This has been the main point of the anime ever since.

Naruto corresponds Hashi and Sasuke corresponds Madara. :|

 

[Badass09]

HOW THE HELL DO YOU KNOW THIS!!
And with that I am referring to when you said perfectly

He was a great ninja so why would he have trouble in using those tech?
Even Sasuke can use it nearly spamming it all the time with ease...
Or Sasuke is close to Madara already? :|

 

[kuvhlubkoj]

Hashi Cells implated into Madara = Rinnegan.

Orochimaru is a smart guy, the risks were probably all too great for him to control, and he knew this. Just look at Danzo, he lost control of Hashi's Cells during the Sasuke fight. Oro also knew he wouldn't benefit a whole lot from implanting Hashi's Cells, he wouldn't gain the Rinnegan like an Uchiha would. There were more negatives than positives for Oro, so he just passed up on it IMO.

Madara is holding back in this fight of the 5 kages, you can tell he has little respect for them, calling them weak compared to the other generations of kages. He didn't feel the need to push his limits, so he's fighting from a distance to just tease the 5 kages.

Edo Madara is stronger, he has a better understanding of the rinnegan/wood techs that he never really had the chance to experiment when he was alive, this was because he died shortly after obtaining Senju DNA.

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

LOOL,
What Madara is showing is SO6P level?
As an uchiha and if he gets Senju DNA then he is at SO6P level? Is it what you're trying to say? :sy:
Orochimaru sure had uchiha's DNA and Senju's DNA but look how strong he was...



See here is the problem, have you seen it also? Then why you say it is that way because of senju DNA? Madara are used to his power he is about to use now so yeah he could use it before having senju's DNA he only wanted to try new jutsus at the beginning such a jutsu as meteor and wood style which were those he didn't use before that's why he wanted to try it.
But all other jutsus are familiar to him which means he already used them before coming back to life as an edo...

From what I've seen so far from uchiha's then yup I truly think Madara ain't doing anything he couldn't before when it comes to using his own techs.


Yeah, Sasuke will get to Madara's level or even surpass him. This has been the main point of the anime ever since.

Naruto corresponds Hashi and Sasuke corresponds Madara. :|

I don't understand anything you are saying reply to this and tell me what your main point is. Since when was we talking about sasuke surpassing madara's level and naruto and Hashi you brought this out of no where.

 

[Badass09]

Hashi Cells implated into Madara = Rinnegan.

Orochimaru is a smart guy, the risks were probably all too great for him to control, and he knew this. Just look at Danzo, he lost control of Hashi's Cells during the Sasuke fight. Oro also knew he wouldn't benefit a whole lot from implanting Hashi's Cells, he wouldn't gain the Rinnegan like an Uchiha would. There were more negatives than positives for Oro, so he just passed up on it IMO.

Madara is holding back in this fight of the 5 kages, you can tell he has little respect for them, calling them weak compared to the other generations of kages. He didn't feel the need to push his limits, so he's fighting from a distance to just tease the 5 kages.

Edo Madara is stronger, he has a better understanding of the rinnegan/wood techs that he never really had the chance to experiment when he was alive, this was because he died shortly after obtaining Senju DNA.

lol, Then in other to sharingan develop to Rinnengan it needs Senju's cells? :|
Now it's about science... Hm, Oro knew all the stuff so you think he didn't know how to use it if it was worth?
He wanted Sasuke's body because of Sharingan he could look for a Senju body and implant sharingan plus being senju gets the rinnengan and sharingan's power, right? :sy: It's all mess...

Madara's power is his own power he yeah he said it with his very own words when Kabuto said that he created his power and then Madara answered "don't get the wrong idea you didn't create this power".
And Madara had rinnengan when died so while fighting their blood got together in Madara's body and stimulated sharingan to develop into rinnengan? :O

Madara's limit ain't that far from hashi's limit the few difference are the rinnegan and few wood style he possesses, at any point in the manga it stated that madara is this strong because of hashi's cell?

 

[Badass09]

I don't understand anything you are saying reply to this and tell me what your main point is. Since when was we talking about sasuke surpassing madara's level and naruto and Hashi you brought this out of no where.

By bringing in Sasuke I mean he will get strong without senju's DNA which means senju's DNA isn't what makes Madara into what he is showing right now.

My main point is that Madara vs Hashi was a very intensive fight and now Madara is showing it, he is showing the level he used to play with Hashirama if its not the same level then it's similar.

Without this I even had in my mind that Hashi and Madara got surpassed centuries ago... Because the fight I saw from them both was totally lame. :|

 

[Badass09]

Who does believe that the fight Hashirama vs Madara was in a level that any other ninja already reached while fighting?

Don't let the topic die. :|

I wanna have clear ideas at least...

 

[obscoral]

EMS madara and shodai >>> 99 % of narutoverse

current madara >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone except SO6P

yeah!!

 

[Badass09]

EMS madara and shodai >>> 99 % of narutoverse

current madara >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone except SO6P

yeah!!

Tell me the difference between current Madara and old Madara except rinnengan and wood style? And he isn't even using any of those. What he is doing now he could easily use it with his EMS and when he was using rinnengan and Hashi's stuffs that was attached to his body he said "there are things I want to try" which means Rinnengan and Hashi's jutsu and now he says that he will answer with Uchiha Madara's power and even before Kabuto said he created the power Madara has now and Madara just said "don't get the wrong idea, you didnt create this power".

Current Madara ain't that far from Hashi they are the top tier in the Naruto verse excluding SO6P and his sons.