Madara EMS VS Tobirama / Prime Hiruzen / Minato / Tsunade

[DrProof]

if that was the case he woulda done it while they were alive

Hashirama is a cockblocker.

If EMS Madara can react to KCM Minato and Tobirama he wins if not then the kage speed blitzes him.

He needed SM to react to Tobirama. EMS Madara doesn't have SM.

If Tobirama can FTG Madara before PS he wins imo.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

I'm curious as to how ps(and also Kuramas tbb, as I didn't know mads had kurama for this fight) automatically neg the kages... tsunas strength got through susanoo, tobirama can ftg her around in place of ay, she could be a force against ps.. plus this isn't a chakra unlimited enhanced mads. Minato can take care of tbbs with his sealing jutsu. Hiruzen just stays on the offensive I guess, but he's never really shown anything jutsu wise that I would say can damage a susanoo, mina and tobi can pretty much serve as transport for tsuna(I only say this cause she's the only one of the bunch we've seen damage a susanoo) and distractions... mads can still take it I just don't see how it's an utter stomp against the kages

 

[TheEvilOne]

If Madara underestimates them and won't start with PS, the kage might be able to win.

 

[DrProof]

If Madara underestimates them and won't start with PS, the kage might be able to win.

In character Madara is an arrogant son of a *****, and more than likely will not start with PS. Then again, with the sight of Tobirama he may, because he knows of Tobirama's strength.

Tobirama >> EMS Madara without PS.

EMS Madara with PS > Tobirama.

 

[patrickscott]

Hashirama is a cockblocker.


He needed SM to react to Tobirama. EMS Madara doesn't have SM.

If Tobirama can FTG Madara before PS he wins imo.

This is true. Another question because you strike me as a knowledgable person. Pizza or Burger?

 

[DrProof]

I'm curious as to how ps(and also Kuramas tbb, as I didn't know mads had kurama for this fight) automatically neg the kages... tsunas strength got through susanoo, tobirama can ftg her around in place of ay, she could be a force against ps.. plus this isn't a chakra unlimited enhanced mads. Minato can take care of tbbs with his sealing jutsu. Hiruzen just stays on the offensive I guess, but he's never really shown anything jutsu wise that I would say can damage a susanoo, mina and tobi can pretty much serve as transport for tsuna(I only say this cause she's the only one of the bunch we've seen damage a susanoo) and distractions... mads can still take it I just don't see how it's an utter stomp against the kages

True enough, I'm actually wondering if a combined attack from the kages can create an opening in PS. I've never actually argued PS durability, nor do I really want to, but it's always PS oneshots etc. So I'm generally curious on what's the minimum amount of power needed to break through the structure.

 

[DrProof]

This is true. Another question because you strike me as a knowledgable person. Pizza or Burger?

Is this even a question? Burger. Pizza is dull in comparison to a burger you can fully customize yourself.

 

[KidGamer65]

If Madara underestimates them and won't start with PS, the kage might be able to win.

You and I both know this isn't possible. Madara doesn't need to go PS right off the bat to win when even defeating him w/ his weaker levels of Susanoo would be a challenge.

In character Madara is an arrogant son of a *****, and more than likely will not start with PS. Then again, with the sight of Tobirama he may, because he knows of Tobirama's strength.

Tobirama >> EMS Madara without PS.

EMS Madara with PS > Tobirama.

Nah. Madara is above Tobirama's pay grade regardless of PS.

I'm curious as to how ps(and also Kuramas tbb, as I didn't know mads had kurama for this fight) automatically neg the kages... tsunas strength got through susanoo, tobirama can ftg her around in place of ay, she could be a force against ps.. plus this isn't a chakra unlimited enhanced mads. Minato can take care of tbbs with his sealing jutsu. Hiruzen just stays on the offensive I guess, but he's never really shown anything jutsu wise that I would say can damage a susanoo, mina and tobi can pretty much serve as transport for tsuna(I only say this cause she's the only one of the bunch we've seen damage a susanoo) and distractions... mads can still take it I just don't see how it's an utter stomp against the kages

You answered your own question. They can't get past Susanoo nor do they have anyway to survive it. I mean, come on. Tsunade? She barely got past the weakest version of Madara's Susanoo let alone the one that can take a point blank BD and not have a scratch.

 

[DrProof]

You and I both know this isn't possible. Madara doesn't need to go PS right off the bat to win when even defeating him w/ his weaker levels of Susanoo would be a challenge.



Nah. Madara is above Tobirama's pay grade regardless of PS.



You answered your own question. They can't get past Susanoo nor do they have anyway to survive it. I mean, come on. Tsunade? She barely got past the weakest version of Madara's Susanoo let alone the one that can take a point blank BD and not have a scratch.

How? Canonically Madara could only react to Tobirama's striking speed due to SM sensing. I can't remember if it was a blind Madara however.

Tobirama's reaction > EMS Madara.
Tobirama speed > EMS Madara

If EMS Madara didn't have PS, FTG slash would end him, as it would have if SM didn't come into play in canon.

What are you reasons for EMS being superior here.

 

[KidGamer65]

How? Canonically Madara could only react to Tobirama's striking speed due to SM sensing. I can't remember if it was a blind Madara however.

Tobirama's reaction > EMS Madara.
Tobirama speed > EMS Madara

If EMS Madara didn't have PS, FTG slash would end him, as it would have if SM didn't come into play in canon.

What are you reasons for EMS being superior here.

He still has every level of Susanoo besides PS. So that's V1-v4. (or just v3 if you don't count his V4) That alone negates a Hirashingiri attack simply because his blade can't penetrate even if Madara can't react, which I don't believe he could if ever put in that position.

I put Madara above even w/o PS because:

-Battlefield wide Katon, hard for even Tobirama to evade w/o S/T Barrier.
-Susanoo, which he can't get past.
-EMS + Madara's large chakra + his stamina feats (fighting Hashirama for 24 hours and not being on death's door) mean that he won't tire before putting him down.

 

[DrProof]

He still has every level of Susanoo besides PS. So that's V1-v4. (or just v3 if you don't count his V4) That alone negates a Hirashingiri attack simply because his blade can't penetrate even if Madara can't react, which I don't believe he could if ever put in that position.

I put Madara above even w/o PS because:

-Battlefield wide Katon, hard for even Tobirama to evade w/o S/T Barrier.
-Susanoo, which he can't get past.
-EMS + Madara's large chakra + his stamina feats (fighting Hashirama for 24 hours and not being on death's door) mean that he won't tire before putting him down.

Katon more than likely is irrelevant in the battle against these two tbh. But regarding Susano'o, how strong is Gojo? V3 Susano'o should be destroyed, but how would it fair against v4?

 

[Mellanoma]

Tobirama and Madara by a lot.

You have six path yin with Indra's chakra Madara teaming up with the six path yang Tobirama.
This team work is pretty effective almost like naruto and sasuke team up.

Hiruzen is a non factor

Edit: Nvm I just saw Madara vs team. My bad
Team Tobirama, Hiruzen, Minato, and Tsunade win.

lol


OT: I think this fight could go either way extremely high difficulty. If going off hype then prime hiruzen makes it easy

He still has every level of Susanoo besides PS. So that's V1-v4. (or just v3 if you don't count his V4) That alone negates a Hirashingiri attack simply because his blade can't penetrate even if Madara can't react, which I don't believe he could if ever put in that position.

I put Madara above even w/o PS because:

-Battlefield wide Katon, hard for even Tobirama to evade w/o S/T Barrier.
-Susanoo, which he can't get past.
-EMS + Madara's large chakra + his stamina feats (fighting Hashirama for 24 hours and not being on death's door) mean that he won't tire before putting him down.

In reference to the V3 and below comment. Would Food cart Destroyer(Minato), double Suiton(Hiruzen/Tobirama) and Katsuya(Tsunade) be enough to over-encumber Madara's non PS/V4 Susanoo?

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

lol


OT: I think this fight could go either way extremely high difficulty. If going off hype then prime hiruzen makes it easy



In reference to the V3 and below comment. Would Food cart Destroyer(Minato), double Suiton(Hiruzen/Tobirama) and Katsuya(Tsunade) be enough to over-encumber Madara's non PS/V4 Susanoo?

Cute, didn't read the manga or fan translated databook about how yin and yang being divided up between Uchiha and senju.
Wanna laugh some more about your ignorance?

 

[KidGamer65]

lol


OT: I think this fight could go either way extremely high difficulty. If going off hype then prime hiruzen makes it easy



In reference to the V3 and below comment. Would Food cart Destroyer(Minato), double Suiton(Hiruzen/Tobirama) and Katsuya(Tsunade) be enough to over-encumber Madara's non PS/V4 Susanoo?

No, those combined need to be far above Kirin to wipe out V3 Susanoo. Itachi's V3 tanked Kirin, and Madara's is far stronger as it is larger, formed with stronger chakra and has a full body.

Katon more than likely is irrelevant in the battle against these two tbh. But regarding Susano'o, how strong is Gojo? V3 Susano'o should be destroyed, but how would it fair against v4?

Not at the scale Madara uses it at. It won't be a finisher, but it's definitely a factor.

I don't see Gojo doing anything significant to V4, especially considering the fact that Madara's is as large as Full Kurama's body.

 

[Mellanoma]

Cute, didn't read the manga or fan translated databook about how yin and yang being divided up between Uchiha and senju.
Wanna laugh some more about your ignorance?

This coming from a guy that believes 1 eye Obito is strong without Kamui. Save the insults.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

This coming from a guy that believes 1 eye Obito is strong without Kamui. Save the insults.

From what thread? And did you not forget that he has senju tissues?
That's like saying Yamato isn't strong. But please by all means continue.

Well, at least you're not like that kid gamer retard that like to send -rep messages like a little 5 year old *****

 

[KidGamer65]

Lmao the Obitard above me seems upset. Another alt who needs a swift ban

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Hashifap is gonna do what he does best. Neg rep and run to his only online reads to tell them that the Big bad meanie made him cry again.

 

[KidGamer65]

Hashifap is gonna do what he does best. Neg rep and run to his only online reads to tell them that the Big bad meanie made him cry again.

You're the one crying little man.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

You're the one crying little man.

Good one. How much balls did it take you to type those words under those salty tears, boy?