Madara: Edo Tensei and Rinne Rebirth

[Orochimaruofthesound]

As we seen in chapters past, The Impure World Reincarnation Jutsu and Outer Path: Samsara of Heavenly Life Technique have some very interesting traits. but contradicting flaws.

Of these flaws I noticed 1 Big error that being Madara’s Reincarnated body vs his Resurected body, and his body at the time of his death. So from here I will refer to Madara’s reincarnated body as Madara’s Homunculus, and his resurrected body as his New body, and the body at his death as his former body.

So lets begin.

You must be registered for see images

As seen in the image above. The former body is decrepit and meek.

Here is Madara’s Homunculus

You must be registered for see images

Now we already know that Madara Uchiha’s edo tensei form was special and was Far stronger than it was in the former body’s prime. This is obviously due to him being Orochimaru’s not Kabuto’s secret weapon. The Homunculus Had abilities that we have not seen and set the standard of overpowered ninja (until the birth of Juubito) But the New body is what confuses me

You must be registered for see images

The New body should have been the former body, not this new body. I don’t know how but the new body seems stronger than the homunculus.
So how did this happen
Is it because of the Hashi-cells or is it more
Did Obito Reconstruct Madara’s body or did someone else what do you think cause im stumped on this

 

[Wabbit]

Either Its Madaras former body reconstructed by Oro or black zetsu channeled soul rinne tensei to edo shell...

 

[- J AV -]

Very Interesting question ,,, When i read last chapter i also had same question on my Mind, It bothers me a lot,,,

My thoughts on this i may be wrong,,,,,]

I think Kabuto was able to ressurect Madara in his Prime form bcoz He and Oro was able to gain cells OF madara Prime somehow,, If that thing is possible than Then Rinne Tensai Jutsu On His Eso Body will be resulted IN his current form,,

 

[Orochimaruofthesound]

Either Its Madaras former body reconstructed by Oro or black zetsu channeled Madaras soul to his body...

I've Taken that idea consideration. That Orochimaru could have rebuilt Madara from the ground up. We dont know who was used for the sacrifice of Madara Homunculus either There are a lot of unknowns here that i want to try to clear up

 

[Tento]

Most people are reincarnated to be as they were when they died. Hiruzen, for example, but Madara was modified to be reincarnated with a younger body, which then carried over to the Resurrection.

 

[ANiMUS]

Couldn't It also be that they partially resurrected Madara (not conscious), reworked his body, and let him die in order to use him as the ultimate Edo Tensei.

 

[Orochimaruofthesound]

Most people are reincarnated to be as they were when they died. Hiruzen, for example, but Madara was modified to be reincarnated with a younger body, which then carried over to the Resurrection.

If that's the case how did Madara's eyes fade away and not the rest of his body\

Couldn't It also be that they partially resurrected Madara (not conscious), reworked his body, and let him die in order to use him as the ultimate Edo Tensei.

Thats one thing i was thinking myself but i'm still not sure

 

[rollin]

Maybe the rinne tensei made his edo body turn into a real body but I guess that wouldn't explain why he doesn't have his rinnegan

 

[Wabbit]

I've Taken that idea consideration. That Orochimaru could have rebuilt Madara from the ground up. We dont know who was used for the sacrifice of Madara Homunculus either There are a lot of unknowns here that i want to try to clear up

wiki says " a living sacrifice is required for the soul of the reincarnated to use as a vessel" so it means It is not the former body..They Sacrificed someone elses body worked on it.So now IMO it has to do with using rinne tense.

 

[Tento]

If that's the case how did Madara's eyes fade away and not the rest of his body\



Thats one thing i was thinking myself but i'm still not sure

Because he had already given them away and it couldn't recreate something like that?
**** if I know.
I'm sure this all has something to do with Hashirama's cells, aka DEM/PNJ given physical form.

 

[Orochimaruofthesound]

Maybe the rinne tensei made his edo body turn into a real body but I guess that wouldn't explain why he doesn't have his rinnegan

thats why thats not possible

wiki says " a living sacrifice is required for the soul of the reincarnated to use as a vessel" so it means It is not the former body..They Sacrificed someone elses body worked on it.So now IMO it has to do with using rinne tense.

The idea that a comatose Madara was rebuilt and used for the sacrifice isn't that far fetched. all i know is I'm completely stumped even if it was Rinne rebirths doing his eyes turning to dust doesn't make sense

 

[Sir Blades]

Orochimaru and Kabuto spent many years conducting experiments, Madara being revived in to a young body is the result of extreme implants of dna from Hashirama, and the fact that Madara's edo was a younger and prime version of himself. If madara were to be revived in his old age, then when rinne revived he would have been revived in his older version. There aren't any inconsistencies.

 

[uzumaki omid]

Madara In true form is much stronger becuz he have more senju chakara but he lost his rinnegan so he will get it back soon and looks like he want to collect bijjus and becom juubi jinjuriki so he will be stronger

 

[Wabbit]

The idea that a comatose Madara was rebuilt and used for the sacrifice isn't that far fetched. all i know is I'm completely stumped even if it was Rinne rebirths doing his eyes turning to dust doesn't make sense

He had given his eyes prior death..thats why it turned dust..I think rinne tensei just gives life back doesnt regenerates anything

Orochimaru and Kabuto spent many years conducting experiments, Madara being revived in to a young body is the result of extreme implants of dna from Hashirama, and the fact that Madara's edo was a younger and prime version of himself. If madara were to be revived in his old age, then when rinne revived he would have been revived in his older version. There aren't any inconsistencies.

Now its more confusing..
First Madara wanted to revived by rinne tensei..Oro and Kabuto were not part of his plan.When Madara gets revived back he would nt wanted to be revived as on old man.Why would he?So what was Madara thinking.

 

[Sir Blades]

He had given his eyes prior death..thats why it turned dust..I think rinne tensei just gives life back doesnt regenerates anything

Now its more confusing..
First Madara wanted to revived by rinne tensei..Oro and Kabuto were not part of his plan.When Madara gets revived back he would nt wanted to be revived as on old man.Why would he?So what was Madara thinking.

Well this is the first time a human is revived with two sets of DNA. Maybe due to that chemical interaction, Madara was revived in a youthful body, due to Senju's body being very interesting a powerful.

 

[miromiro]

Rinne Tensei simply revives the current version, in this case the Edo version, it has no connection to how it was before dying / reviving it with Edo Tensei. And the explanation for the lack of Rinnegan is that they were fake ones, since the real ones were implanted in Nagato, out of which one is possessed by Obito, and the other one is unknown.

 

[painuzimaki]

I always thought there was something wrong with the waycmadara looked

 

[Naijakid]

I hope kishi explain it for us as the manga progresses

 

[KCMNaruto]

Actually there is pretty good explanation which I can think of:

Madara's body evolution: Prime Uchiha body -> Prime Uchiha with Senjuu DNA body -> Old Uchiha with Senjuu DNA body with Rinnegan.

Looking at what the Rinne Tensei has done and as it brought Madara in young body with Senjuu DNA... I am sure that he was revived in second state in Madara's body evolution.

However How Kabuto was able to do that... stays mystery for now. Probably injected more and more Senjuu DNA in Madara along with his mastery over medical Ninjutsu was able to revert Madara's old body with Senjuu DNA to Madara in young body with Senjuu DNA. It allowed him to still keep his Senjuu and Uchiha DNA combined in one body after the Rinne tensei was used on him. Now The mystery itself is Rinnegan, even if Madara's body was reverted to young/prime but with Senjuu DNA... then he should NOT HAVE Rinnegan, unless once awake Rinnegan can never go away... so Reverting Madara's body to young/prime age(Rinnegan was already beyond his body, but this Body still contained same ingridients so it worked.) but while still containing Senjuu DNA allowed Rinnegan to stay in Madara's eyes.

Now The plot hole could be connected with Edo Tensei, to be more specific the way Edo Tensei bring revived one in body. However Edo Tensei was very inconsistent, so maybe user can choose in what state of body revived one will be revived. Now Everyhting Rinne tensei has done is still keeping his young and prime body with Senjuu DNA but loosing fake Rinnegan created by Edo tensei. It could be due to Rinnegan still exisiting in this world... and it can not duplicate or it simply was taken out of his body beforehand... so Rinnegan simply returned to last state of body was as Edo tensei bring it... so Rinnegan was recreated in Young Prime body with Senjuu DNA.

In short/ In Order :

1) Madara transplanted his double Rinnegans in Nagato's eyes
2) Madara dies
3) Kabuto found Madara's old body with Senjuu DNA intact and inject more Senjuu DNA while using medical ninjutsu on it
4) Kabuto reverts Madara's old body with Senjuu DNA intact to his young prime body with Senjuu DNA(Just after Madara inject Hashirama's DNA in himself while being in prime age.)
5) Kabuto used Edo Tensei to brought Madara's soul in sacrificed living body which being to take shape of Madara's soul
6) The last state of Madara's body was Young Prime body with Senjuu DNA... but Edo Tensei bring complete body so The Rinnegan is forefully recreated from saves on DNA.
7) Rinne Tensei was used on Madara's soul to get revived... but Madara's soul was already trapped in Edo Tensei's ashes/dust body so Rinne Tensei just canceled Edo Tensei effects on Madara's body and brought it to life.
8) Canceling Edo Tensei effects removed Rinnegan from his eyes and turned it to dust while preserving Young and Prime body due to alteration/modification made on his REAL body BEFORE BEING BROUGHT BY EDO TENSEI.

Summary: Prime and Young body was NOT MADE DUE to EDO TENSEI, while Rinnegan appeared in his eyes due to being created BY EDO TENSEI.


Now that is all I can think of , I hope you will find this explanation interesting

 

[Orochimaruofthesound]

Actually there is pretty good explanation which I can think of:

Madara's body evolution: Prime Uchiha body -> Prime Uchiha with Senjuu DNA body -> Old Uchiha with Senjuu DNA body with Rinnegan.

Looking at what the Rinne Tensei has done and as it brought Madara in young body with Senjuu DNA... I am sure that he was revived in second state in Madara's body evolution.

However How Kabuto was able to do that... stays mystery for now. Probably injected more and more Senjuu DNA in Madara along with his mastery over medical Ninjutsu was able to revert Madara's old body with Senjuu DNA to Madara in young body with Senjuu DNA. It allowed him to still keep his Senjuu and Uchiha DNA combined in one body after the Rinne tensei was used on him. Now The mystery itself is Rinnegan, even if Madara's body was reverted to young/prime but with Senjuu DNA... then he should NOT HAVE Rinnegan, unless once awake Rinnegan can never go away... so Reverting Madara's body to young/prime age(Rinnegan was already beyond his body, but this Body still contained same ingridients so it worked.) but while still containing Senjuu DNA allowed Rinnegan to stay in Madara's eyes.

Now The plot hole could be connected with Edo Tensei, to be more specific the way Edo Tensei bring revived one in body. However Edo Tensei was very inconsistent, so maybe user can choose in what state of body revived one will be revived. Now Everyhting Rinne tensei has done is still keeping his young and prime body with Senjuu DNA but loosing fake Rinnegan created by Edo tensei. It could be due to Rinnegan still exisiting in this world... and it can not duplicate or it simply was taken out of his body beforehand... so Rinnegan simply returned to last state of body was as Edo tensei bring it... so Rinnegan was recreated in Young Prime body with Senjuu DNA.

In short/ In Order :

1) Madara transplanted his double Rinnegans in Nagato's eyes
2) Madara dies
3) Kabuto found Madara's old body with Senjuu DNA intact and inject more Senjuu DNA while using medical ninjutsu on it
4) Kabuto reverts Madara's old body with Senjuu DNA intact to his young prime body with Senjuu DNA(Just after Madara inject Hashirama's DNA in himself while being in prime age.)
5) Kabuto used Edo Tensei to brought Madara's soul in sacrificed living body which being to take shape of Madara's soul
6) The last state of Madara's body was Young Prime body with Senjuu DNA... but Edo Tensei bring complete body so The Rinnegan is forefully recreated from saves on DNA.
7) Rinne Tensei was used on Madara's soul to get revived... but Madara's soul was already trapped in Edo Tensei's ashes/dust body so Rinne Tensei just canceled Edo Tensei effects on Madara's body and brought it to life.
8) Canceling Edo Tensei effects removed Rinnegan from his eyes and turned it to dust while preserving Young and Prime body due to alteration/modification made on his REAL body BEFORE BEING BROUGHT BY EDO TENSEI.

Summary: Prime and Young body was NOT MADE DUE to EDO TENSEI, while Rinnegan appeared in his eyes due to being created BY EDO TENSEI.


Now that is all I can think of , I hope you will find this explanation interesting

While an interesting theory and i thank you for it just doesnt really make sense maybe im thinking to far into it