Madara doesn't/didn't need the Rinnegan to counteract dust release!!

[adeshina365]

If he did then come he wasn't annihilated when he fought Muu and Onoki?

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On the bottom right panel we can see that Muu and Onoki who both have dust release were unable to defeat Madara even though they had dust release and Madara didn't have the Rinnegan.

From that I think we can deduce that Madara has other means to defend himself against dust release.

 

[Kages]

Or he dodged it.

 

[adeshina365]

Or he dodged it.

Yes dodging is a means of counteracting so yes that could be a way, but so many people still think that without the Rinnegan that Madara, Naruto and Sasuke can't be Onoki!

 

[Shunsin no Shisui]

I take it, they were against MS Madara since EMS Madara isn't that foolish to destroy young shinobi. Besides, it could've been that Muu and Onoki were not that experienced with Jinton back then. Although, Muu was more experienced with it than Onoki in the end but was never put up against EMS or Edo Madara.

 

[VangBro95]

He dodged it?

 

[Midday]

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That image didn't look like somewhere two dust release users fought.

 

[OnPoint]

Or he defeated them before they used it. We don't know.

 

[adeshina365]

He dodged it?

Maybe?

Just trying to show that he's not helpless against it.

Or he defeated them before they used it. We don't know.

According to most of the people on this site, Madara, Naruto and Sasuke are 100% helpless against dust release without the Rinnegan, which by manga fact is incorrect, that's the point I'm trying to get over.

That image didn't look like somewhere two dust release users fought.

Doesn't matter what you think the image looks like, at that point at least Muu had dust release.

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

Because his plan couldn't of been been put into motion without it

 

[Midday]

Doesn't matter what you think the image looks like, at that point at least Muu had dust release.

I'm just using what we're given and the damage looks nothing like when Onoki and edo Mu fought. Who said they were even skilled at dust release at the time, Madara said he doesn't go hard on children I don't think he just forgot about Mu when he said that, Mu could only be a little bit older than Onoki who was definitely a kid at the time.

 

[adeshina365]

Because his plan couldn't of been been put into motion without it

I'm not talking about the Moon Eye plan... of course he needed the Rinnegan to do that.

Just trying to show that Madara is by manga fact not helpless against dust release.

 

[adeshina365]

I'm just using what we're given and the damage looks nothing like when Onoki and edo Mu fought. Who said they were even skilled at dust release at the time, Madara said he doesn't go hard on children I don't think he just forgot about Mu when he said that, Mu could only be a little bit older than Onoki who was definitely a kid at the time.

From that image you can only see part of the scene from the fight so saying that Dust Release wasn't used is quite silly. Muu was Onoki's Sensei so he was definitely quite a bit older than Onoki and almost certainly had/used dust release.

 

[Midday]

From that image you can only see part of the scene from the fight so saying that Dust Release wasn't used is quite silly. Muu was Onoki's Sensei so he was definitely quite a bit older than Onoki and almost certainly had/used dust release.

If it there was dust released we would see shapes indents which there aren't any, take that as a hint of how the fight went down. They were young so maybe they weren't skilled enough at the time to use Jinton and Mu doesn't have to be that much older to be a teacher.

 

[OnPoint]

Stop assuming that Jinton was definitely used in the fight. You have no evidence to certify this hypothesis. Just because Mū could use Jinton doesn't mean it actually was used. We don't know if both parties went all out - it could've been a short taijutsu skirmish. Neither Madara nor Ōnoki gave away anything which detailed how things went down.

 

[adeshina365]

Stop assuming that Jinton was definitely used in the fight. You have no evidence to certify this hypothesis. Just because Mū could use Jinton doesn't mean it actually was used. We don't know if both parties went all out - it could've been a short taijutsu skirmish. Neither Madara nor Ōnoki gave away anything which detailed how things went down.

Yah, I'm sure you're right, Muu and Onoki would go up against one of the strongest shinobi of all time get beat around and still not use their most powerful technique....

SMH.

 

[Owarij]

Stop assuming that Jinton was definitely used in the fight. You have no evidence to certify this hypothesis. Just because Mū could use Jinton doesn't mean it actually was used. We don't know if both parties went all out - it could've been a short taijutsu skirmish. Neither Madara nor Ōnoki gave away anything which detailed how things went down.

The way Onooki phrased his words, he was surprised that Madara didn't go all out and had so much power (reffering to when he pulled out perfect susanno)

So it does seem that at least onnoki put in his full effort, Madara didn't ... thus he said who would fight "Children" seriously

 

[OnPoint]

Yah, I'm sure you're right, Muu and Onoki would go up against one of the strongest shinobi of all time get beat around and still not use their most powerful technique....

SMH.

Not that they wouldn't use it, more along the lines that the were beaten before they could use it, we don't know.

The way Onooki phrased his words, he was surprised that Madara didn't go all out and had so much power (reffering to when he pulled out perfect susanno)

So it does seem that at least onnoki put in his full effort, Madara didn't ... thus he said who would fight "Children" seriously

Ōnoki said Madara eased up - he said nothing of himself or Mū. Infact, it sounded to me like Ōnoki was shocked that Madara could dispatch of them so easily and so quickly (whereby they were unable to do a damn thing) without pulling out his full power.

 

[zinescience]

that is possible,if not he could have been dead before seeing obito.

 

[SatchiZurake]

Well there's the possibility that he just beat them before they got a chance to use it, or he probably could have seen it coming. Either way, there's no question that Madara was strong enough to fodderize them back then too. He only let Jinton hit in the battle with the kage's because he was toying with them and letting them think they had the slightest of a chance for a little bit.