Madara does NOT have Tsukuyomi

[Bigfoot34501]

I think that this most recent chapter finally puts the debate to rest about whether or not Madara has Tsukuyomi. I know it says in the databook that you need Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi to have Susanoo, but I think that is a mistake that actually means the user must activate both MS techniques exclusive to that user to unlock Susanoo

My proof is when Madara uses an EMS genjutsu on A:

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IF that was Madara's Tsukuyomi, there was no way in hell A would get up and start fighting again after Onoki released him, he would be out of the battle. I know A is strong, but I don't think that someone like him who doesn't get hit by genjustus often would be able to get up again after experiencing something like Itachi's Tsukuyomi. And since I highly doubt Madara would have a weaker Tsukuyomi than someone like Itachi, I think it's safe to assume that he doesn't have it

So with that being said, I think that Madara has a different type if EMS genjustu that may not be as powerful as Tsukuyomi, but is still pretty dangerous to any non-Kage level shinobi

 

[Cosmic Path]

so wat hes a badass

 

[Sage of Infinity Paths]

He got genjutsu but no Tsukuyomi

 

[Bigfoot34501]

so wat hes a badass

I'm not questioning that.....

 

[Punk Hazard]

Tsukuyomi isnt the only genjutsu. just cuz he didnt use it dont mean he dont got it

 

[OhReary]

Who said he had it?

 

[Wolfang714]

I agree. But if that's the case, why would Madara even utter the word Tsukuyomi if he doesn't possess it.

He spoke of Tsukuyomi after he was released from his Edo Tensei coffin, realizing that the world wouldn't change from what it was in the past he stated that everyone was better off sleeping in an "infinite Tsukuyomi"

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Scroll down to "Personality", third paragraph
EDIT: Straight from the Manga

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[Bigfoot34501]

Tsukuyomi isnt the only genjutsu. just cuz he didnt use it dont mean he dont got it

If he wanted to torture A, that would have been the best chance to use it. The only way he could get A in a genjutsu was to hold him down, and he didn't use Tsukuyomi when he had that rare chance. So that's why I don't think he has it, because he used EMS and A was fine afterwards

 

[james the fourth]

what? hasnt it been stated you need Tsukuyomi and amatarsu to have sussanO?

 

[Punk Hazard]

If he wanted to torture A, that would have been the best chance to use it. The only way he could get A in a genjutsu was to hold him down, and he didn't use Tsukuyomi when he had that rare chance. So that's why I don't think he has it, because he used EMS and A was fine afterwards

ok. well by youre logic, if we didnt see kakashi use kamui, one could say he doesnt have it since he didnt use it against hidan and kakuzu when he had the chance

 

[Hipster Madara]

he might have it. just because he didnt use it this time doesnt mean he cant use it

 

[MilwaukeegHost]

Tsukuyomi isnt the only genjutsu. just cuz he didnt use it dont mean he dont got it

This. He might even have a BETTER genjutsu than Tsukuyomi, and just chose to use a lesser genjutsu at that moment.






-gHost Senju, K.U.S.H. Sage

 

[sharingan17]

I believe sasuke doesn't have it either.

 

[Prince of Persia TTT]

I believe sasuke doesn't have it either.

Sasuke doesnt have it
it has been shown in the manga against the fight with kabuto