Madara does not have Amaterasu.

[iSpeak the Truth]

You need to use your brain a little better. That was HIS genjutsu meaning the one that he actually casted on Obito. Not a genjutsu from his actual orginal eyes. Madara STATES HERE THAT HE IS ABLE TO USE THE GEDO MAZOU TO AMPLIFY HIS GENJUTSU TO WHERE HE IS ABLE TO CREATE ANYTHING HE WANTS. THIS REFERS BACK TO THE 10 TAILS AMPLIFYING MADARA'S TSUKUYOMI ONTO THE MOON WHEN HE BECOMES THE HOST. Honestly dude its not complex thinking at all. He is just using the power of the Gedou Mazou to strengthen his genjutsu on Obito in that page. When he becomes the host for the 10 tails he plans to use that massive power to strengthen his Tsukuyomi to be projected from the moon and those create his dream world. Madara's states earlier that he plans to reflect his eye techniques onto the moon by using the 10 tails powers.

This goes back to why Obito wants Sasuke because its starting to make sense. When Gaara asked Obito why he wanted Sasuke so bad, Obito told Gaara that he had "special eyes" and he couldn't let those eyes go to waste. He said he was trying to strengthen Sasuke's eyes and then later on we find out that Obito plans to sync Sasuke to the Gedo Mazou. Which he will need the Rinnegan to do so. This means he was planning for Sasuke to be the host of the 10tails. This explains why Obito wanted Sasuke to gain the EMS so badly.

Oh my God!

For the mere fact that you assumed Madara can use Tsukuyomi through any spare Sharingan makes you one of the biggest idiots I have encountered on this forum. Now go away.

 

[Zato]

Oh my God!

For the mere fact that you assumed Madara can use Tsukuyomi through any spare Sharingan makes you one of the biggest idiots I have encountered on this forum. Now go away.

When did I say he could you clown? Read what I said CAREFULLY. I SAID THAT THE GENJUTSU HE PLACED ON OBITO IS A NORMAL GENJUTSU BECAUSE IT IS THUS WHY I STATED HE DOESN'T HAVE HIS ORIGINAL EYES. When MADARA IS REVIVED AND BECOMES THE 10 TAILED HOST HE WILL HAVE HIS ORIGINAL EYES THUS HAVING TSUKUYOMI. Just admit defeat. Something is really wrong with you. Obito knew he couldn't be the host that's why he put all his money on Sasuke hoping that Sasuke will join his cause.

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

When did I say he could you clown? Read what I said CAREFULLY. I SAID THAT THE GENJUTSU HE PLACED ON OBITO IS A NORMAL GENJUTSU BECAUSE IT IS THUS WHY I STATED HE DOESN'T HAVE HIS ORIGINAL EYES. When MADARA IS REVIVED AND BECOMES THE 10 TAILED HOST HE WILL HAVE HIS ORIGINAL EYES THUS HAVING TSUKUYOMI. Just admit defeat. Something is really wrong with you.

I like how you just backed out of the original argument, which was, "How would Madara use Tsukuyomi if he didn't have it? or that Sasuke had Tsukuyomi."

Which was why you showed me that scan, which was supposed to be Madara using Tsukuyomi, in your false opinion.

Well atleast you realised you're a retard. K well, bye.

 

[Zato]

I like how you just backed out of the original argument, which was, "How would Madara use Tsukuyomi if he didn't have it? or that Sasuke had Tsukuyomi."

Which was why you showed me that scan, which was supposed to be Madara using Tsukuyomi, in your false opinion.

Well atleast you realised you're a retard. K well, bye.

I didn't back out of anything. You are the one saying he doesn't have it when the Manga clearly suggest that he does. How can you say he doesn't have Tsukyumi when he has only shown ONE of the three powers his EMS grants him? From what I clearly read and understand, Madara has Tsukuyomi because he needs it to complete his plan.

Here is even further proof you need Tsukuyomi to cast that ability onto the moon. Obito makes it clear that they are only using the 10 tails power to amplify their OWN power to a higher scale.

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You need Tsukuyomi to cast the infinite Tsukuyomi... Obito knows he can't be the host because he doesn't have that technique which is why he wants Sasuke.

 

[Itachi Hatake]

It should be pretty obvious by now.

The entire fight against the 5 Kage, he abused Susanoo and even used his Mangkeyou Genjutsu, which wasn't Tsukuyomi, but still no Amaterasu. He exerted his Rinnegan and dropped 2 Meteors on the battlefield, Mokuton, Wood Dragon, even Perfect Susanoo!

Against Hashirama, where he has no Rinnegan or Mokuton, Amaterasu would be perfect! Still, it just isn't there is it?

Databook fanboys, you have run out of excuses.

Your so called "evidence" was disapproved long ago! Back when Sasuke showed his second power against Ei, Kagutsuchi!

Later, Sasuke even says, the requirement for Susanoo, is a DOUBLE MANGEKYOU! A Mangekyou Sharingan in both eyes! That is the only requirement, but even so, the Susanoo isn't guaranteed. It is extremely rare.

Sasuke and Itachi share a common MS jutsu, Amaterasu, because they are brothers. But their other jutsu's are completely different!

Itachi has Tsukuyomi, with which he controls his Mangekyou Genjutsu.

Sasuke has Kagutsuchi, with which he controls Amaterasu.

Madara does not have either of those jutsu's.

Sorry but Manga>Databook

OMG THANK YOU!!! I found it rather funny that everyone insists that Sasuke has both Ama and Tsu. HIS SECOND POWER IS BLAZE RELEASE. If he had Tsu he would have said it when Itachi needed him to cast a genjutsu on him against Kabuto in the cave. Madara doesnt have neither technique either. Why do you guys still believe they do is beyond me.

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

I didn't back out of anything. You are the one saying he doesn't have it when the Manga clearly suggest that he does. How can you say he doesn't have Tsukyumi when he has only shown ONE of the three powers his EMS grants him? From what I clearly read and understand, Madara has Tsukuyomi because he needs it to complete his plan.

Here is even further proof you need Tsukuyomi to cast that ability onto the moon. Obito makes it clear that they are only using the 10 tails power to amplify their OWN power to a higher scale.

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You need Tsukuyomi to cast the infinite Tsukuyomi... Obito knows he can't be the host because he doesn't have that technique which is why he wants Sasuke.

And like I said, the Juubi is clearly the originator of all Dojutsu, since it has that "Sharinnegan". Once Madara becomes it's host, he can use all of it's jutsu. Just like he showed Obito that pseudo world while being connected to the Mazou. It's that simple. Madara has neither Tsukuyomi or Amaterasu.

 

[Zato]

And like I said, the Juubi is clearly the originator of all Dojutsu, since it has that "Sharinnegan". Once Madara becomes it's host, he can use all of it's jutsu. Just like he showed Obito that pseudo world while being connected to the Mazou. It's that simple. Madara has neither Tsukuyomi or Amaterasu.

Sorry dude but the manga says otherwise. I've shown you like 3 different pages where it clearly states that they only intend to use the 10 tails power to strengthen their own power and use the moon as the source. You are making things up. But w/e I am done arguing with you. This is pretty much how the internet goes. You show hardcore evidence and people will just deny it because they fill to big to be defeated in a debate. Like I said, I've shown you 3 different pages where Obito AND Madara say the exact same thing. Not only that but I even looked at the manga stream translation and its even more clear you need Tsukuyomi to use the infinite Tsukuyomi. They are just magnifying their own power by using the 10 tails power to do so. That is what it clearly states in the *********** translation. This means you need Tsukuyomi to use the Infinite Tsukuyomi.

 

[Trollasaur]

Good one bruh!

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

Sorry dude but the manga says otherwise. I've shown you like 3 different pages where it clearly states that they only intend to use the 10 tails power to strengthen their own power and use the moon as the source. You are making things up. But w/e I am doing arguing with you. This is pretty much how the internet goes. You show hardcore evidence and people will just deny it because they fill to big to be defeated in a debate. Like I said, I've shown you 3 different pages where Obito AND Madara say the exact same thing.

So the Genjutsu that Madara used on Obito WAS Tsukuyomi?

 

[Itachi Hatake]

Honestly, I get that you guys are clinging to the databook I honestly do. I dont think me or Ispeak the Truth are trying to one up you guys or anything but just think for a second here. The databook was created when Itachi was the only person in the known universe to use Susanoo. In the manga did Itachi say to have Susanoo you need both of these specific techniques? No, he just said when HE awakened Ama and Tsu that Susanoo was unlocked also.

If you need both techs to unlock Susanoo then:
Why didnt Sasuke use Tsu on Itachi in the fight against Kabuto?
Why didnt Madara use Tsu on the 4th Raikage? for that matter he had him in his grasp why not use Ama on him?

 

[Zato]

So the Genjutsu that Madara used on Obito WAS Tsukuyomi?

Dude are you serious? Do I really have to answer this again? Madara was using a NORMAL genjutsu as an example to show Obito that he can create anything he wanted to by using the Gedo Mazou's(shell of the 10 tails) chakara. I repeat, he is using a NORMAL genjutsu as an example to explain to Obito how the infinite Tsukuyomi will work.

 

[Prime Rib]

Wrong he has get ur facts right

 

[Itachi Hatake]

Wrong he has get ur facts right

who is he? and what has he has?

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

Honestly, I get that you guys are clinging to the databook I honestly do. I dont think me or Ispeak the Truth are trying to one up you guys or anything but just think for a second here. The databook was created when Itachi was the only person in the known universe to use Susanoo. In the manga did Itachi say to have Susanoo you need both of these specific techniques? No, he just said when HE awakened Ama and Tsu that Susanoo was unlocked also.

If you need both techs to unlock Susanoo then:
Why didnt Sasuke use Tsu on Itachi in the fight against Kabuto?
Why didnt Madara use Tsu on the 4th Raikage? for that matter he had him in his grasp why not use Ama on him?

YES, Thank you! Finally someone helps me out instead of saying "I agree":|

 

[KingHashirama]

-facepalm-. Going against the manga and databook. As usual well done kid.

 

[Itachi Hatake]

I just read the chapter where Sasuke casts an ILLUSION on Danzo. Instead of saying "Your Tsukuyomi is nothing compared to Itachis" he said critiqued Sasuke's genjustu on being vastly inferior to Itachi's Tsukuyomi, which was revered by the black Zetsu as the most powerful genjutsu.

 

[Itachi Hatake]

-facepalm-. Going against the manga and databook. As usual well done kid.

actually he isnt, the manga stated that you only need the double MS to use Susanoo. So actually he has facts but you guys choose not to defer to the most recent manga but instead cling to that old ass databook, where Itachi was the only person to have Susanoo and Tobi was still Madara.

 

[Waltz]

Now I know you're an idiot. How could it really be HIS genjutsu when it wasn't even his real eye? It was HIS genjutsu in the sense that he created it with the spare Sharingan, but it wasn't his real eye so it wasn't his own jutsu. It was performed through the Mazou.

Are you saying that spare Sharingan also had Tsukuyomi in it? lol FAIL

You are trying to imply something that has never been implied via the Databook or Manga. Any technique that is can be used by a character is their own, whether or not it derived from another character that technique is secluded to them.

Pertaining to your original post, the sharingan processes are recorded in the Databook and supported by the Manga via actual character statements and documentation on the uchiha stone tablet. You argue sasuke using kagatsuchi through his right eye flaws the Databook and you use an assumption from A's sensors observation as fact? His word isn't credible.

Although Sasuke didn't show his Tsukyomi feats until after he awakened susano'o, its a fact that he couldn't awaken it unless he possessed tsukuyomi as an ability.

 

[KingHashirama]

actually he isnt, the manga stated that you only need the double MS to use Susanoo. So actually he has facts but you guys choose not to defer to the most recent manga but instead cling to that old ass databook, where Itachi was the only person to have Susanoo and Tobi was still Madara.

Databook states you need to unlock both.. =]. Databook facts on techniques haven't changed.. they were solely described in the Databook.


Also Sasuke and Itachi have both Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu. But you people choose to ignore them.

 

[Strata Uchiha]

Madara doesn't want to use Amateratsu because he senses another lowly Uchiha spamming the crap out of it. X_X *coughsasukecough*