Madara does not have Amaterasu.

[iSpeak the Truth]

Give me a manga page that tells me he doesnt. and i will believe you. i want it to say on the page "madara cannot use the amaterasu". good luck.

Give me a manga page that says, "ONLY Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi can awaken Susanoo". Good luck

 

[TJ0001]

Give me a manga page that says, "ONLY Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi can awaken Susanoo". Good luck

lol that wasnt my argument. dont jump to conclusions. your assuming madara cant use it because he hasent used it. chill bro

 

[Horus]

The two doujutsu that only those who have activated the "Mangekyou Sharingan" are permitted to use~~ "Amaterasu²," denoting the "light of the material world" and "Tsukuyomi³," symbolising the "darkness of the spiritual world"~~ Only those who have activated the "Mangekyou Sharingan" -the heavenly eyes that see without obstruction the truth of all of creation- are permitted to use these two doujutsu. Dwelling only in those who have grasped both of these technique is the power of a tempestuous god... that is "Susanoo"."

This is from the Databook, which KISHIMOTO himself has written, So if he has said it, then so it shall be

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

This is from the Databook, which KISHIMOTO himself has written, So if he has said it, then so it shall be

Sorry, but Kishimoto himself has already proven his own Databook wrong with the manga. Not once, not twice, but three times!!

 

[TrollingSage]

It cannot be helped anymore. Your ignorant brain has prevailed. Keep denying constant manga evidence and go live in that databook page that only describes Itachi. lol

I also find it hilarious that you say manipulating the black flames of Amaterasu is a "simple" feat. lol

Omg *facepalm*

It may not be a simple feat, but it certainly doesnt qualify as a jutsu of its own no more than manipulation time inside tuskiomi does. Sasuke manipulate his amaterasu. Itachi can manipulate time in his tsukiyomi. Thats their specialties. Giving it a fancy deity name doesnt make it an ability of its own. It's still amaterasu. Period.

 

[Thundercles]

It should be pretty obvious by now.

The entire fight against the 5 Kage, he abused Susanoo and even used his Mangkeyou Genjutsu, which wasn't Tsukuyomi, but still no Amaterasu. He exerted his Rinnegan and dropped 2 Meteors on the battlefield, Mokuton, Wood Dragon, even Perfect Susanoo!

Against Hashirama, where he has no Rinnegan or Mokuton, Amaterasu would be perfect! Still, it just isn't there is it?

Databook fanboys, you have run out of excuses.

Your so called "evidence" was disapproved long ago! Back when Sasuke showed his second power against Ei, Kagutsuchi!

Later, Sasuke even says, the requirement for Susanoo, is a DOUBLE MANGEKYOU! A Mangekyou Sharingan in both eyes! That is the only requirement, but even so, the Susanoo isn't guaranteed. It is extremely rare.

Sasuke and Itachi share a common MS jutsu, Amaterasu, because they are brothers. But their other jutsu's are completely different!

Itachi has Tsukuyomi, with which he controls his Mangekyou Genjutsu.

Sasuke has Kagutsuchi, with which he controls Amaterasu.

Madara does not have either of those jutsu's.

Sorry but Manga>Databook

Madara is all about shock and awe, flashy techniques. Amaterasu isn't really flashy. Saying that the "Databook fanboys have ran out of excuses" is kinda silly isn't it? That is proof in itself. To refute the Databook, when no other evidence has been provided to counter it is kinda folly. If Obito launched a Susanoo, then I would agree with you, otherwise, it is manga FACT that he has those techs until proven to be false.

 

[Horus]

Sorry, but Kishimoto himself has already proven his own Databook wrong with the manga. Not once, not twice, but three times!!

Look i aint gonna continue arguing with you!
You are saying that Madara cannot use Amaterasu because he has never shown it.
Lets just wait and see what happens in the next couple chapters.

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

It may not be a simple feat, but it certainly doesnt qualify as a jutsu of its own no more than manipulation time inside tuskiomi does. Sasuke manipulate his amaterasu. Itachi can manipulate time in his tsukiyomi. Thats their specialties. Giving it a fancy deity name doesnt make it an ability of its own. It's still amaterasu. Period.

Those ARE their special abilities!

Itachi's control over the time and space inside his visual Genjutsu is known as the Tsukuyomi!

Sasuke's control over the Amaterasu is known as Kagutsuchi!

I am done with this utter idiocy!!

Go troll someone else!

 

[TrollingSage]

Those ARE their special abilities!

Itachi's control over the time and space inside his visual Genjutsu is known as the Tsukuyomi!

Sasuke's control over the Amaterasu is known as Kagutsuchi!

I am done with this utter idiocy!!

Go troll someone else!

Bolded is just your opinion. To despute something that has been written in the databook, you'll need a very solid manga proof.
Like a character that has neither amaterasu or tsukiyomi using a susano,. And before you say Sasuke, Sasuke has amaterasu and an unnamed genjutsu that could or could not be tsukiyomi. Until you have that, you don't have any ground to stand on.
I wish you'd grow and stop calling anyone who doesnt agree with your baseless claims stupid.

 

[Thundercles]

Those ARE their special abilities!

Itachi's control over the time and space inside his visual Genjutsu is known as the Tsukuyomi!

Sasuke's control over the Amaterasu is known as Kagutsuchi!

I am done with this utter idiocy!!

Go troll someone else!

Follow me on this.
MS users unlock Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, and Susanoo as long as they have both eyes.
-Itachi's MS specialty was his manipulation of Tsukuyomi.
-Sasuke's MS specialty was his manipulation of Amaterasu.
-Madara's MS specialty (to my opinion) is his manipulation to Susanoo.

-Madara and Obito would have to at least have Tsukuyomi because their plan is to launch the tech on the moon. If they didn't have the tech, then wouldn't it be stupid for them to try and use a tech they don't have? This should lend credit that if Madara can perform Tsukuyomi, then he more than likely has Amaterasu. And him having Susanoo and the Databook reinforces this idea, then he should have all 3 techs.

A- Amaterasu B- Tsukuyomi C- Susanoo. If Madara has C, and it is implied that he can use B, then by formula of the Databook, he should have A. A + B =C. Obito cannot use C, but since he has 1 MS sharingan it must be either A or B. We know he wants to launch Mugen Tsukuyomi, so he must have B to do the tech.

 

[Zato]

Sasuke CLEARLY used Tsukuyomi vs Bee, it even shows him taking the clear MS eye recoil after using a MS technique when he used it on Bee.

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

Bolded is just your opinion. To despute something that has been written in the databook, you'll need a very solid manga proof.
Like a character that has neither amaterasu or tsukiyomi using a susano,. And before you say Sasuke, Sasuke has amaterasu and an unnamed genjutsu that could or could not be tsukiyomi. Until you have that, you don't have any ground to stand on.
I wish you'd grow and stop calling anyone who doesnt agree with your baseless claims stupid.

Follow me on this.
MS users unlock Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, and Susanoo as long as they have both eyes.
-Itachi's MS specialty was his manipulation of Tsukuyomi.
-Sasuke's MS specialty was his manipulation of Amaterasu.
-Madara's MS specialty (to my opinion) is his manipulation to Susanoo.

-Madara and Obito would have to at least have Tsukuyomi because their plan is to launch the tech on the moon. If they didn't have the tech, then wouldn't it be stupid for them to try and use a tech they don't have? This should lend credit that if Madara can perform Tsukuyomi, then he more than likely has Amaterasu. And him having Susanoo and the Databook reinforces this idea, then he should have all 3 techs.

A- Amaterasu B- Tsukuyomi C- Susanoo. If Madara has C, and it is implied that he can use B, then by formula of the Databook, he should have A. A + B =C. Obito cannot use C, but since he has 1 MS sharingan it must be either A or B. We know he wants to launch Mugen Tsukuyomi, so he must have B to do the tech.

Itachi's manipulation has a name: Tsukuyomi(left eye)
Sasuke's manipulation has a name: Kagutsuchi.(right eye)

They both use Amaterasu from their other eye.

Madara will only be able to use Tsukuyomi once he becomes the Juubi's host, the Juubi is the originator of all things, especially the Sharingan, as you can tell from it's eye. Hence, when Madara becomes it's host, he will be able to use all it's powers.

 

[Thundercles]

Itachi's manipulation has a name: Tsukuyomi(left eye)
Sasuke's manipulation has a name: Kagutsuchi.(right eye)

They both use Amaterasu from their other eye.

Madara will only be able to use Tsukuyomi once he becomes the Juubi's host, the Juubi is the originator of all things, especially the Sharingan, as you can tell from it's eye. Hence, when Madara becomes it's host, he will be able to use all it's powers.

... You have your opinion. Have a good night!

 

[Zato]

Itachi's manipulation has a name: Tsukuyomi(left eye)
Sasuke's manipulation has a name: Kagutsuchi.(right eye)

They both use Amaterasu from their other eye.

Madara will only be able to use Tsukuyomi once he becomes the Juubi's host, the Juubi is the originator of all things, especially the Sharingan, as you can tell from it's eye. Hence, when Madara becomes it's host, he will be able to use all it's powers.

I think you are wrong. This is a obvious reason why Obito wanted control over Sasuke because he had Tsukuyomi. It makes a lot of sense why he went through so much trouble to gain Sasuke in the first place. Obito can't be the host and he knows that. He was banking on Sasuke because for what ever reason he didn't trust Madara. This explains why he planned to sync Sasuke to the Gedo Mazou thus giving him somehow achieving the Rinnegan. He was trying to mold Sasuke to complete the moons eye plan. Madara made it clear that he will project HIS(MY) eye techniques to the moon using the power of the 10tails to amplify it.

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

I think you are wrong. This is a obvious reason why Obito wanted control over Sasuke because he had Tsukuyomi. It makes a lot of sense why he went through so much trouble to gain Sasuke in the first place. Obito can't be the host and he knows that. He was banking on Sasuke because for what ever reason he didn't trust Madara. This explains why he planned to sync Sasuke to the Gedo Mazou thus giving him somehow achieving the Rinnegan. He was trying to mold Sasuke to complete the moons eye plan. Madara made it clear that he will project HIS(MY) eye techniques to the moon using the power of the 10tails to amplify it.

I already answered to that in the same post you quoted me on. :sy:

 

[Zato]

I already answered to that in the same post you quoted me on. :sy:

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Madara has Tsukuyomi... Not only that but in he official translation of Danzou vs Sasuke, Danzou states that Sasuke has the same EXACT powers as Itachi but that Sasuke's powers were no match for Itachi's. He even goes as far as to compare their Tsukuyomi's.

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

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Madara has Tsukuyomi...

And guess what he was connected to when he performed that Genjutsu! It was the vessel of the Juubi without it's chakra, the Gedo Mazou!

Also, that wasn't even Madara's real Sharingan that he used, it was just a spare. Nagato had his real eyes.

You failed pretty hard.

GG

 

[Zato]

And guess what he was connected to when he performed that Genjutsu! It was the vessel of the Juubi without it's chakra, the Gedo Mazou!

Also, that wasn't even Madara's real Sharingan that he used, it was just a spare. Nagato had his real eyes.

You failed pretty hard.

GG

Are you really this slow? He said that is HIS genjutsu and by being connected to the Gedo Mazou is basically able to amplify his gentsu to a point where he can create ANYTHING because he is using the power of the Mazou to AMPLIFY HIS GENJUTSU(NOT TSUKUYOMI BECAUSE HE DOESN"T HAVE HIS ORIGINAL EYES). WHAT HE DID IN THAT PAGE IS A NORMAL GENJUTSU. This refers back to the 10tails amplifying his ACTUAL Tsukuyomi onto the moon. That page is clear evidence of you being wrong. THIS IS WHY TOBI WANTS SASUKE.

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

Are you really this slow? He said that is HIS genjutsu and by being connected to the Gedo Mazou is basically able to amplify his gentsu to a point where he can create ANYTHING because he is using the power of the Mazou to AMPLIFY HIS GENJUTSU. WHAT HE DID IN THAT PAGE IS A NORMAL GENJUTSU. This refers back to the 10tails amplifying his ACTUAL Tsukuyomi onto the moon. That page is clear evidence of you being wrong. THIS IS WHY TOBI WANTS SASUKE.

Now I know you're an idiot. How could it really be HIS genjutsu when it wasn't even his real eye? It was HIS genjutsu in the sense that he created it with the spare Sharingan, but it wasn't his real eye so it wasn't his own jutsu. It was performed through the Mazou.

Are you saying that spare Sharingan also had Tsukuyomi in it? lol FAIL

 

[Zato]

Now I know you're an idiot. How could it really be HIS genjutsu when it wasn't even his real eye? It was HIS genjutsu in the sense that he created it with the spare Sharingan, but it wasn't his real eye so it wasn't his own jutsu. It was performed through the Mazou.

You need to use your brain a little better. That was HIS genjutsu meaning the one that he actually casted on Obito. Not a genjutsu from his actual orginal eyes. Madara STATES HERE THAT HE IS ABLE TO USE THE GEDO MAZOU TO AMPLIFY HIS GENJUTSU TO WHERE HE IS ABLE TO CREATE ANYTHING HE WANTS. THIS REFERS BACK TO THE 10 TAILS AMPLIFYING MADARA'S TSUKUYOMI ONTO THE MOON WHEN HE BECOMES THE HOST. Honestly dude its not complex thinking at all. He is just using the power of the Gedou Mazou to strengthen his genjutsu on Obito in that page. When he becomes the host for the 10 tails he plans to use that massive power to strengthen his Tsukuyomi to be projected from the moon and those create his dream world. Madara's states earlier that he plans to reflect his eye techniques onto the moon by using the 10 tails powers.

This goes back to why Obito wants Sasuke because its starting to make sense. When Gaara asked Obito why he wanted Sasuke so bad, Obito told Gaara that he had "special eyes" and he couldn't let those eyes go to waste. He said he was trying to strengthen Sasuke's eyes and then later on we find out that Obito plans to sync Sasuke to the Gedo Mazou. Which he will need the Rinnegan to do so. This means he was planning for Sasuke to be the host of the 10tails. This explains why Obito wanted Sasuke to gain the EMS so badly.