Madara didn't want Hashirama DNA...

[Everztar]

to achieve Rinnegan? - Stay with me guys, this is a theory i came up with!

why didn't something happen at the beginning when Madara applied Hashirama DNA into his body?
is Senju DNA really the solution?...

i believe that Senju DNA could be one of the head ingredients, but i kind of think that there is something else that must be added to the mix...

Sharingan...
Mangekyo Sharingan...
Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan...

all these 3 evolve after certain feelings... hatred... loss... sadness... you know this already right?

Madara didn't get Rinnegan as soon as he applied the Senju DNA, he didn't achieve it until near death...

perhaps this is the reason for unlocking the Rinnegan...

To finally forgive yourself, to accept yourself for who you are and get rid of all that hatred towards other people... to accept what has happened and that your brothers will never come back... to finally get that feeling that no matter what you do now, there's nothing else that can be done, you're finished... finally... you've done all you can and it's finally time to say goodbye?

you see, Madara had already got Rinnegan before he met Obito for the first time... so i think that Madara had already realised that he was going to fail with his plan... his plan to not become the Hokage of The Hidden Leaf... but to become the leader of the whole world instead... it was all a fail and Madara had finally accepted that. therefore unlocking the rinnegan... when Madara unlocked the rinnegan he gained a tiny bit of new hope, implanting the rinnegan in someone elses body... (and let Zetzu make Obitos work... and let's face it.. that wouldnt've been possible because i don't think that Nagato would've Negotiate without a fight)

not until finding Obito did Madara regain the true hope for his dreams to come true, because finally did he find someone trustworthy and someone that could actually help him with his plans... of course did Madara already have a tiny tiny bit of plans but Obito was the key to everything...

this was my theory all the time... but now i've been thinking... and i believe that you do not not need Hashirama DNA to develop the rinnegan... the mix between Senju and Uchiha might not be the solution for unlocking the Rinnegan at all!

recently i started to believe that Madara didn't want Hashirama cells to unlock the Rinnegan...
the main focus was to get a hold of Hashirama dna, but for what purpose?
the purpose could be; Madara always wanted a stronger body... because Madara had a weakness... Sage Mode.

Madara wanted to obtain Hashirama DNA only to get Sage Mode... but just by obtaining the DNA would not give him the power of Sage Mode... he recieved a stronger body and he recieved Mokuton. but sadly Madara did not get the Sage Mode he had hoped...

why would Madara want Sage Mode? well simply because Mokuton & Sage Mode combined would be the only way for madara to become the strongest Ninja alive, AND Madara would be able to capture all 9 bijuus by himself.
Sure, Madara could control Kyuubi... but there was one problem... Madara couldn't control 9 bijuus combined with his EMS? he even said so himself when they summoned the juubi... "we've got to hurry up before we lose control over the Juubi"

so for now, i believe that

1. Madara wanted to steal DNA from Hashirama in order to obtain Sage Mode
2. Madara wanted to use Sage Mode & Mokuton to capture 9 bijuus
3. Madara wanted to summon Juubi and later again use his Sage Mode & Mokuton in order to beat it, capture it, seal it inside himself and perform Tsuki No Me

i believe it was all about the Sage Mode. and i still believe Rinnegan is not developed from combining the DNA.
i believe that accepting yourself for who you are, the salvation of all the hatred... letting go of all the hatred would give you the power of Rinnegan.

anyways, i'm off for a bit! take care guys!

 

[the big boss]

dvr this thread for latter

 

[FireBird Marco]

We all know that he always craved his D

 

[- J AV -]

seems possible,, nice theory rep.

 

[The Hero]

I believe your theory may be the case. I believe that Madara didn't want Senju DNA for the Rinnegan- that is probably naturally unlocked by Uchihas. They inherit the Sage's "eyes and chakra" whereas the Senju inherit the "body and will". As you say, Madara did want a stronger body although I'm not too sure of Sage Mode. Also, don't forget that only those with Senju DNA can summon and control the Gedo Mazou(For those that say "no, Nagato was not Senju", the Uzumaki are distant BLOOD relatives to the Senju). Madara needed the DNA for this- the greatest piece in his Moon's Eye plan.Once again, I doubt the bit about Sage Mode since Madara didn't need to control all 9 beasts at the same time (which Mokuton allowed). He needed them for the Juubi's revival...meaning he'd control them 1 at a time and seal them within the statue. Great theory. I especially like the bit about the Rinnegan awakening!=D

 

[Shinobi2012]

So in other words acceptance is the key ?

I made a thread on this a while ago.

Acceptance is another passage in buddhism

 

[FemmeFatale]

Lol but he have no qualms about using it

 

[scorezor]

to achieve Rinnegan? - Stay with me guys, this is a theory i came up with!

why didn't something happen at the beginning when Madara applied Hashirama DNA into his body?
is Senju DNA really the solution?...

i believe that Senju DNA could be one of the head ingredients, but i kind of think that there is something else that must be added to the mix...

Sharingan...
Mangekyo Sharingan...
Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan...

all these 3 evolve after certain feelings... hatred... loss... sadness... you know this already right?

Madara didn't get Rinnegan as soon as he applied the Senju DNA, he didn't achieve it until near death...

perhaps this is the reason for unlocking the Rinnegan...

To finally forgive yourself, to accept yourself for who you are and get rid of all that hatred towards other people... to accept what has happened and that your brothers will never come back... to finally get that feeling that no matter what you do now, there's nothing else that can be done, you're finished... finally... you've done all you can and it's finally time to say goodbye?

you see, Madara had already got Rinnegan before he met Obito for the first time... so i think that Madara had already realised that he was going to fail with his plan... his plan to not become the Hokage of The Hidden Leaf... but to become the leader of the whole world instead... it was all a fail and Madara had finally accepted that. therefore unlocking the rinnegan... when Madara unlocked the rinnegan he gained a tiny bit of new hope, implanting the rinnegan in someone elses body... (and let Zetzu make Obitos work... and let's face it.. that wouldnt've been possible because i don't think that Nagato would've Negotiate without a fight)

not until finding Obito did Madara regain the true hope for his dreams to come true, because finally did he find someone trustworthy and someone that could actually help him with his plans... of course did Madara already have a tiny tiny bit of plans but Obito was the key to everything...

this was my theory all the time... but now i've been thinking... and i believe that you do not not need Hashirama DNA to develop the rinnegan... the mix between Senju and Uchiha might not be the solution for unlocking the Rinnegan at all!

recently i started to believe that Madara didn't want Hashirama cells to unlock the Rinnegan...
the main focus was to get a hold of Hashirama dna, but for what purpose?
the purpose could be; Madara always wanted a stronger body... because Madara had a weakness... Sage Mode.

Madara wanted to obtain Hashirama DNA only to get Sage Mode... but just by obtaining the DNA would not give him the power of Sage Mode... he recieved a stronger body and he recieved Mokuton. but sadly Madara did not get the Sage Mode he had hoped...

why would Madara want Sage Mode? well simply because Mokuton & Sage Mode combined would be the only way for madara to become the strongest Ninja alive, AND Madara would be able to capture all 9 bijuus by himself.
Sure, Madara could control Kyuubi... but there was one problem... Madara couldn't control 9 bijuus combined with his EMS? he even said so himself when they summoned the juubi... "we've got to hurry up before we lose control over the Juubi"

so for now, i believe that

1. Madara wanted to steal DNA from Hashirama in order to obtain Sage Mode
2. Madara wanted to use Sage Mode & Mokuton to capture 9 bijuus
3. Madara wanted to summon Juubi and later again use his Sage Mode & Mokuton in order to beat it, capture it, seal it inside himself and perform Tsuki No Me

i believe it was all about the Sage Mode. and i still believe Rinnegan is not developed from combining the DNA.
i believe that accepting yourself for who you are, the salvation of all the hatred... letting go of all the hatred would give you the power of Rinnegan.

anyways, i'm off for a bit! take care guys!

No... The Uchiha are a clan of hatred , that's all you need to know ... Madara hated everyone except his parents and brothers ... That's nonsense.

 

[The Sach]

Nup I disagree with few points..
1. If being free from hatred or salvation is key to Rinnegan, why someone else except Madara didn't obtain it?? Why Madara only??O_O
2. Senju+Uchiha=Yin+Yang=SO6P, manga stated it many times either directly or indirectly, so you need senju DNA, but you need something more, a particular thought, but that thought isn't salvation...:yeah:

 

[BigGuns Reloaded]

@scorezor is a true cat anus/hater
Even tobirama said the uchiha are a clan of love

Anyways on topic nice theory but he showed obito everything he clearly wanted moukton this has been shown
Moukton & the god tree are the same
Sharingan/rinnegan & the flower's eye are the same thing

Tho I agree acceptance is & emotional turmoil are the likely keys to unlocking the next step of the doujutsu

For the dumbass that thinks senju dna is y one can summon the mazo dummy its the rinnegan not the blood

 

[Equalist]

i still believe Rinnegan is not developed from combining the DNA.
i believe that accepting yourself for who you are, the salvation of all the hatred... letting go of all the hatred would give you the power of Rinnegan.

That's not true though. :| Rikudou Sennin was born with the Rinnegan so you're wrong there. And also Nagato's Rinnegan was implanted and he was able to wield its power like a god. Nagato himself was full of hatred so your "beliefs" as adorable as they might be have already been debunked.

 

[Everztar]

Nup I disagree with few points..
1. If being free from hatred or salvation is key to Rinnegan, why someone else except Madara didn't obtain it?? Why Madara only??O_O
2. Senju+Uchiha=Yin+Yang=SO6P, manga stated it many times either directly or indirectly, so you need senju DNA, but you need something more, a particular thought, but that thought isn't salvation...:yeah:

1. every Uchiha before and after Madara that supposedly unlocked MS/EMS was slaugthered in the battlefield or at their home, that's why no one of them went through that "acceptance/salvation" like Madara did.
what i'm trying to say is that you need MS/EMS FIRST then the "acceptance/salvation" should develop it further!

2. SO6P divided in two halves (two sons) and the Senju part were the only who had such spiritual power to achieve Sage Mode (this is where i'm trying to get) i think the Uchiha got the eyes and the body, but not the Chakra/Spiritual/Natural power of Rikudou Sennin?

P.S sry i don't have time to give you a good answer right now, i'm at work

 

[The Sach]

1. every Uchiha before and after Madara that supposedly unlocked MS/EMS was slaugthered in the battlefield or at their home, that's why no one of them went through that "acceptance/salvation" like Madara did.
what i'm trying to say is that you need MS/EMS FIRST then the "acceptance/salvation" should develop it further!

2. SO6P divided in two halves (two sons) and the Senju part were the only who had such spiritual power to achieve Sage Mode (this is where i'm trying to get) i think the Uchiha got the eyes and the body, but not the Chakra/Spiritual/Natural power of Rikudou Sennin?

P.S sry i don't have time to give you a good answer right now, i'm at work

1. I was talking about Sasuke there...Do you think Sasuke will get Rinnegan, if he goes through all those things, without senju DNA??O_O
2. Only senjus were capable of sage mode, OK..But my point was senju+uchiha=SO6P->Rinnegan, which also underlines Yin+Yang=complete power...
But still rep for your point that Uchiha eyes+Senju DNA+something more=Rinnegan...=D=D

 

[Wabbit]

I think not.He may have obtained senju DNA just for powerfull body but it was mentioned several times that 2 lineages must become one to get rinnegan.Also Madara very proudly showed off his rinnegan.
Most importantly you cant summon gedo mazo with sage mode

 

[Naijakid]

Madara always loves Hashirama