Madara CAN summon the Shin Sūsenju.

[Shura]

Many people believe that Madara cannot summon it because the Shin Sūsenju is a 'Kuchiyose' [Commonly known as 'Summoning'], however, no. It is not a Kuchiyose and Madara can summon it.

The Shin Sūsenju isn't a Kuchiyose, but an advanced Mokuton. In the recent chapter, Madara gained Hashirama's Sennin Mōdo which happens to be the only thing that Madara needed in order to use the Shin Sūsenju.

Don't want to believe that the Shin Sūsenju isn't a Kuchiyose? Here is proof;

Take a look at these scans. [

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• He repeats the buddha's name inside of his mind, doesn't say 'Kuchiyose'.
• Hashirama didn't draw any blood.
• No summoning circle was formed, Hashirama just slapped his hands together.
• No poof of smoke was shown.

Definitely not a Kuchiyose. Want proof that Madara can summon it? Here;

• The Sharingan can see Chakura and copy handseals. Madara has seen Hashirama summon the Shin Sūsenju and he copied the steps with his Sharingan.
• In order to use the Shin Sūsenju, you need Hashirama's Sennin Mōdo. Madara stole it from Hashirama.

Good game. Madara has the statue.​

 

[xcoyote]

I think this is legit since he needs some sort of power up to stand a chance against the Bijuu before he gets his Rinnengan back or else the Bijuu can just nuke the shit out of him.

 

[UchihaNagashi]

Agreed, good thread. Even though this was obvious already.

 

[-immortal-]

1. i believe that he can use it indeed.
2. that isn't proof since manga can't back u Up. cause he never used it.

anyways Good thread

 

[Umari Senju]

I mentioned this in another thread as well. I think he will probably summon it to defeat all the bijuu.

 

[Draphsin]

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I just explained it, but it would be smaller due to lack of nature chakra (not as much as hashi at full power/capacity anyways).

 

[esenn1]

Oh no, I mean ...yes!

 

[Mitarashi]

I said this lol.

 

[RikudouMadara]

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I just explained it, but it would be smaller due to lack of nature chakra (not as much as hashi at full power/capacity anyways).

Curious.....why would it be smaller?

 

[-immortal-]

Curious.....why would it be smaller?

Cause orginal > Fake

 

[Minator93]

I disagree.

Because by that Logic:

1. Minato can use chakra cloak distribution, FRS even. I still see many saying he can't even use TBB even though he has Lol

2. Sasuke should pull Itachi's Tsukuyomi, Totsuka and Yata.

3. Oro can use Shinsusenjuu because he has mokuton and a sage mode

Unless Madara actually shows that in the manga he can't. For all we know it may need the scrolls that Hashirama carried with him to summon it. Also possible explanation as to why Hashirama himself hadn't used it U_U

 

[RikudouMadara]

Cause orginal > Fake

Well....that can't be the case....because Madaras wood dragon and FTW were the same as Hashiramas. Madara says this is Hashiramas wood dragon he used to bind the fox. He doesn't specify any sizes just that it is exactly the same.

 

[-immortal-]

Well....that can't be the case....because Madaras wood dragon and FTW were the same as Hashiramas. Madara says this is Hashiramas wood dragon he used to bind the fox. He doesn't specify any sizes just that it is exactly the same.

well he used many of hashi's justu's anyways. lets us wait for Le overkill and Budha will be used

 

[RikudouMadara]

well he used many of hashi's justu's anyways. lets us wait for Le overkill and Budha will be used

Kk thanks!

 

[Sea Of Thy Soul]

Like I said in the vs thread section, until we see Madara summon the Shinsuusenju in the actual manga itself, we can't just go and assume that he can summon it based on mere theories.

Don't misunderstand, there is a chance of him being able to use it, but until it is shown in canon it's just a kid's fanfiction.

 

[The Necromancer]

Where did it even start that it was a summon? It's clearly not.

 

[Draphsin]

Curious.....why would it be smaller?

He doesnt possess the amount of senjutsu chakra that hashi has at full capacity SM.

I dont know how large in comparison it will be, but hashi being weakened & having a low amount of senjutsu chakra simply means that you will have a smaller jutsu in proportion.

 

[deadp00l]

Hashirama used no hand seals to prior to using shinsuusenju, he just clapped his hands which is the pose for gathering natural energy and the Buddha came out from beneath him

It comes down to skill with mokuton

 

[Draphsin]

I disagree.

Because by that Logic:

1. Minato can use chakra cloak distribution, FRS even. I still see many saying he can't even use TBB even though he has Lol

2. Sasuke should pull Itachi's Tsukuyomi, Totsuka and Yata.

3. Oro can use Shinsusenjuu because he has mokuton and a sage mode

Unless Madara actually shows that in the manga he can't. For all we know it may need the scrolls that Hashirama carried with him to summon it. Also possible explanation as to why Hashirama himself hadn't used it U_U

Lol this is what you don't understand.

Madara can copy & use any jutsu that is senjutsu required, shinsuusenju isnt a summoning or a forbidden jutsu so why would it be on the scroll? Even if it were then why would the scroll be necessary for it when hashi didnt need to read it before he cast the jutsu. Now that madara has seen & copied it with his sharingan, plus with his senjutsu chakra & the ability to cast & utilize mokuton all point towards madara being able to do it.

In fact madara being able to sense shouldnt be possible by your logic, & black zetsu gives madara current knowledge plus the decades of knowledge that he has himself. He knows the workings of every jutsu to the point where he doesnt even need handseals for them anymore (the katon is simply a taste of this example).

 

[Booker]

Yeah, no.

I fully believe that he could be capable of summoning it as well, but let's not forget;

(1) Madara has had Senjutsu chakra for a grand total of 30 seconds. Shin Shusenju was clearly Hashirama's greatest and most complex technique, I highly doubt that Madara can instantly just pop out Shin Shusenju, especially when he has had no experience with Senjutsu and how it's molded.

(2) Show me this magic scan where Madara see Hashirama's hand signs. More fanfiction.

(3) It's speculation and I wouldn't accept it in battle threads until it's confirmed in manga. You're using ABC logic (he used this with this, so this guy should be able to use this with this). Madara has shown no Mokuton feats that put him on Hashirama's level, and it's fan fiction to say he's as skilled with Mokuton as Hashirama.

Again, I believe he'll do it, but we need to see it first for confirmation.