Madara being understatement?

[LightningNinja]

Madara being underestimated?

I really don't understand way people think that there is a big gap between Madara and Hashirama, Why? Because in VOTE Madara used Kurama and still lost?
SM Hasirama>EMS Madara it's a fact. But saying that Hashirama is a tier above him isn't correct, at least IMO.
The climax of VOTE was when PS-Kurama fusion and SS collided. SS hands were destroyed but the main Body and Hashirama were remain fine while PS was also destroyed but only HALF it destroyed, Kurama and Madara were also fine.
What would happened if Madara was using only PS?
Madara wouldn't spend chakra by controlling and summoning Kurama. He wouldn't have to protect Kurama from Hashirama's control with his moukton. Wouldn't have to combing PS slash with TBB so Hashirama wouldn't catch them. But Madara would loss a lot of fire power. When I think of the clash between PS to SS I see PS is COMPLETELY destroyed while the SS still have some of his arms. Madara would have more chakra this time to fight Hashirama and he has his jubbi sized katons to handle moukton. In the end of the day Hashirama would still win but it still be a high diff.
Also there is the argument that SM moukjin is strong as PS which is completely wrong. Is moukjin is able to cut mountains with only one slash like PS? Can he tanked the EXPLOSION of TBB? SM moukjin was able to hold on against PS and thats all.
Hashirama need SS in order to win cause it's the only thing which can take down PS.
We also need to remember that the fact Madara can perfectly control Kurama and can even summon him is can be considered his power.
Madara is the one who noted that Hashirama has great healing power and just after Tsunade was badly injured by Madara's susanoo blade he stated that is exacetly the same healing power. So can we infer that Madara was able to hurt Hashirama so badly? That is just something for thought.
In conclusion, Hashirama is truly beast but so as Madara and there was little gap between them and he was only little.

 

[~Ethereal~]

A tier above is just hate imo. Though, Madara controlling Kurama and covering him with Susano'o whilst fighting Hashirama is creditable. Nonetheless, Hashirama was naturally an inch stronger since he won the fight against Madz with very high diff.

EDIT: I did notice that your title was supposed to be "underestimated", but who cares.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Madara can't beat shinsusenjuu without Kurama. Also, Hashirama's golem was clashing with Perfect Susanoo. The battle was a stalemate.

 

[villain55]

I really don't understand way people think that there is a big gap between Madara and Hashirama, Why? Because in VOTE Madara used Kurama and still lost? SM Hasirama>EMS Madara it's a fact. But saying that Hashirama is a tier above him isn't correct, at least IMO.The climax of VOTE was when PS-Kurama fusion and SS collided. SS hands were destroyed but the main Body and Hashirama were remain fine while PS was also destroyed but only HALF it destroyed, Kurama and Madara were also fine. What would happened if Madara was using only PS?

Madara wouldn't spend chakra by controlling and summoning Kurama. He wouldn't have to protect Kurama from Hashirama's control with his moukton. Wouldn't have to combing PS slash with TBB so Hashirama wouldn't catch them. But Madara would loss a lot of fire power. When I think of the clash between PS to SS I see PS is COMPLETELY destroyed while the SS still have some of his arms. Madara would have more chakra this time to fight Hashirama and he has his jubbi sized katons to handle moukton. In the end of the day Hashirama would still win but it still be a high diff.

Also there is the argument that SM moukjin is strong as PS which is completely wrong. Is moukjin is able to cut mountains with only one slash like PS? Can he tanked the EXPLOSION of TBB? SM moukjin was able to hold on against PS and thats all. Hashirama need SS in order to win cause it's the only thing which can take down PS. We also need to remember that the fact Madara can perfectly control Kurama and can even summon him is can be considered his power.

Madara is the one who noted that Hashirama has great healing power and just after Tsunade was badly injured by Madara's susanoo blade he stated that is exacetly the same healing power. So can we infer that Madara was able to hurt Hashirama so badly? That is just something for thought.

In conclusion, Hashirama is truly beast but so as Madara and there was little gap between them and he was only little.

Who said there was a big gap between them?

 

[Venomous Cobra]

RIP Grammar

And yet you forgot to put a point at the end ,sigh...........

OT:yeah the gap isn't that big

 

[Amaterasu]

And yet you forgot to put a point at the end ,sigh...........

OT:yeah the gap isn't that big

I didn't finished my sentence..

 

[Ambivalence]

That wall of text burns my eyes. Learn some grammar and take some classes on how to best keep the attention of readers...

OT: Without any borrowed powers, Hashirama is a tier above him, since it would be SM Hashirama vs MS Madara. Madara closed the gap with EMS, but still wasn't on Hashirama's level. He then opted to control the strongest Biju and use it against Hashirama and he still lost.

I don't see how you can say there isn't a gap between them since manga says otherwise. Hashirama won the VoTE fight extreme high-diff, true, but he won without any given to him eyes/help from a Biju. With only their own powers, Hashirama is a class above Madara, which is what everyone claiming this means.

 

[Conspirator.]

Without the kyuubi, Hashirama is indeed a tier above EMS Madara.

 

[V h o]

Nope Golem alone beats PS. SS obliterates PS.

 

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[KidGamer65]

I really don't understand way people think that there is a big gap between Madara and Hashirama, Why? Because in VOTE Madara used Kurama and still lost?

Yes. PS Kurama>>PS. Hashirama>PS Kurama>>PS

SM Hasirama>EMS Madara it's a fact. But saying that Hashirama is a tier above him isn't correct, at least IMO.

He's definitely a tier above him.

The climax of VOTE was when PS-Kurama fusion and SS collided. SS hands were destroyed but the main Body and Hashirama were remain fine while PS was also destroyed but only HALF it destroyed, Kurama and Madara were also fine.

Where do people get this half destroyed stuff from?

-Panel shows PS.

-After clash, PS vanishes.

Lol.

What would happened if Madara was using only PS?

Here's what would happen. SS would pound PS till it broke, and then it'd turn Madara to dust.

Or Hashirama would've handled him using Mokujin.

Madara wouldn't spend chakra by controlling and summoning Kurama. He wouldn't have to protect Kurama from Hashirama's control with his moukton. Wouldn't have to combing PS slash with TBB so Hashirama wouldn't catch them. But Madara would loss a lot of fire power. When I think of the clash between PS to SS I see PS is COMPLETELY destroyed while the SS still have some of his arms. Madara would have more chakra this time to fight Hashirama and he has his jubbi sized katons to handle moukton. In the end of the day Hashirama would still win but it still be a high diff.

Lol....chakra means nothing when he's only left with fodder jutsu. Katon? Not doing anything to Mokuton. Tell me what Madara does to survive when his Susanoo is raped and he's left with nothing but his Katon to fight against a statue that dwarfs Mountains?

He dies.

Also there is the argument that SM moukjin is strong as PS which is completely wrong. Is moukjin is able to cut mountains with only one slash like PS? Can he tanked the EXPLOSION of TBB? SM moukjin was able to hold on against PS and thats all.

Give it the same sword and it'd do the same thing since it equals PS in physical strength. Holding it's own against PS? More like completely stalemating it, thus PS=Mokujin. Simple. If PS was stronger, it would've obliterated Mokujin.

Hashirama need SS in order to win cause it's the only thing which can take down PS.

Doesn't change the fact that PS can't even defeat SM Mokujin let alone SS, which is a tier above SM Mokujin, thus a tier above PS. Thus Hashirama is a tier above Madara.

We also need to remember that the fact Madara can perfectly control Kurama and can even summon him is can be considered his power.

Uh-huh.

Madara is the one who noted that Hashirama has great healing power and just after Tsunade was badly injured by Madara's susanoo blade he stated that is exacetly the same healing power. So can we infer that Madara was able to hurt Hashirama so badly? That is just something for thought.

Not really. He only reached that point w/ Kurama, and since you're asserting that Madara is on Hashirama's tier without Kurama, this doesn't help.

In conclusion, Hashirama is truly beast but so as Madara and there was little gap between them and he was only little

In conclusion. Hashirama would obliterate a Madara w/o Kurama.