madara and shinra tensei

[The Demon Hawk]

Chibakui tensei=/=Shrina tensei just so you know.

So it's best to keep shrina tensei to the actual person who used it.

They're both Deva Path techniques, in case you didn't know that. So anyone who can do CT is capable of ST.

OT: Just call him 3 eye Madara.

 

[WalksInShadows]

considering the alliance members who fought Tobi felt the impact of the CTs that weren't sliced or blown up despite being as far away from that area as they were, i'm sure Madara's ST would be on a massive enough lvl to reach them as well.

 

[VongolaX]

They're both Deva Path techniques, in case you didn't know that. So anyone who can do CT is capable of ST.

OT: Just call him 3 eye Madara.

Tendo is shrina tensei

All in Bold

Heavenly Subjugation of the Omnipresent God (神羅天征, Shinra Tensei)

Classification: Ninjutsu/Kekkei Genkai
Rank: No rank
Class: Offensive/Defensive
Range: Short-Range
User(s): Nagato

Heading: Invisible hand of God, that repels anything in creation!!

Pain Tendou uses this technique, utilizing the generated from the users hands repulsive (gravity) force to repel targets away. The number of targets that can be repelled and their size are irrelevant. In addition by stopping the utilization of other Pain paths the amount of Chakra put in the technique, its strength and area of effect can be greatly increased. With one strike of its power entire Konoha village was turned to smoldering ash. But after this technique has been triggered there is a small five second window it can't be used again. The originating repulsion force generated by the power of all creation ”shinra obiki” (something that binds all together, so likely gravitation) forces its targets to collide together with a great force and put out additional damage, combined together with the initial force (shock wave) it puts up even more damage. Only those who can manipulate all Chakra transformation properties (seishitsu) legendary “Rinnegan” wielders are allowed to posses this technique that has all rights to be called “crystal-perfect”.

←↓ Its repulsion force is so strong that even Ninjutsu and Taijutsu are equally ineffective against this technique, in additional it can be used to prevent (cant see kanji here,so I don't know that it also can prevent).

Now here is chibakui tensei.

Chibaku Tensei / Six Paths Chibaku Tensei

It has a single entry, and lists "Nagato / Naruto and Sasuke, Hagoromo and Hamura" as its users. It's a Kekkei Genkai, sealing technique.

Six Paths Chibaku Tensei is invoked when two users simultaneously touch their target with the "Yin" and "Yang" seals. It rips a giant chunk of earth up and turns it into a heavenly body, becoming the Prison of Six Paths (六道の獄 Rokudō no Goku) that can capture all things (万物捕, "banbutsuto"). It's a sealing jutsu that can be used by individuals who awaken Six Paths Senjutsu. "Chibaku Tensei" is the version that can be used by a single individual, while "Six Paths Chibaku Tensei" is a more powerful version that requires two individuals simultaneously combining the power of Yin and Yang. It turns the sealing target into a gravity core in the sky, which attracts chunks of earth that bury them alive. This forms a heavenly body in the sky that can act as a prison for even a tailed beast. The section in the bottom left describes how the moon was the result of Six Paths Chibaku Tensei, and that so much Chakra was contained within that it turned into a gigantic satellite. It also describes it as a giant sealing stone (封印石 "Fuinseki"), which implies that Kishimoto took some inspiration from those giant "sealing stones" you sometimes see -- the big boulders with the Kanji inscribed on them, usually with the ceremonial ropes adoring them.

Nothing is mentioned about Deva path/Tendo at all both yin yang and single rinnegan chibakui tensei.

So again CT=/ST

chibakui tensei is a forbidden technique

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So no.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

Tendo is shrina tensei

All in Bold




Now here is chibakui tensei.



Nothing is mentioned about Deva path/Tendo at all both yin yang and single rinnegan chibakui tensei.

So again CT=/ST

chibakui tensei is a forbidden technique

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So no.

This is fundamentally wrong. You're using the reference of Chibaku Tensei in DB article about "Six Paths Chibaku Tensei". It doesn't give complete information on basic CT obviously. It is a Deva Path technique.

 

[VongolaX]

This is fundamentally wrong. You're using the reference of Chibaku Tensei in DB article about "Six Paths Chibaku Tensei". It doesn't give complete information on basic CT obviously. It is a Deva Path technique.

That is the databook translation of six path chibakui tensei and chibakui tensei. Chibakui tensei had no mention of Tendo/Deva path power.

Manga didn't state this and neither did the databook.

 

[bowflex]

That is the databook translation of six path chibakui tensei and chibakui tensei. Chibakui tensei had no mention of Tendo/Deva path power.

Manga didn't state this and neither did the databook.

Lol what path is chibaku tensei then? Because last time i checked it was deva pain who used CT, you know the pain that used jutsus from the deva path of rinnegan. The guy who was using Madaras eyes, but some how you are trying to argue the original owner whos a better user of the dojutsu cant use shinra tensei. Lol jesus kid.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

That is the databook translation of six path chibakui tensei and chibakui tensei. Chibakui tensei had no mention of Tendo/Deva path power.

Manga didn't state this and neither did the databook.

That is the DB translation of "Six Paths Chibaku Tensei" ONLY. Bring the translation of just "Chibaku Tensei", and then we'll talk. BTW, even if "Chibaku Tensei" does not exist individually as a topic, this specific translation is talking about SIX PATHS Chibaku Tensei with slight reference to Chibaku Tensei. So you can't draw any conclusion about regular CT from this.

Yes, the manga very explicitly stated Chibaku Tensei to be a Deva Path technique, if this was not already pretty obvious by the fact that CT was used through Deva Path, and Deva Path can't use any other techniques aside from Deva Realm techniques.

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Nagato: God Realm (Deva Path) is close enough now. [Means the technique was to be performed using God Realm/Deva Path]

 

[VongolaX]

Lol what path is chibaku tensei then? Because last time i checked it was deva pain who used CT, you know the pain that used jutsus from the deva path of rinnegan. The guy who was using Madaras eyes, but some how you are trying to argue the original owner whos a better user of the dojutsu cant use shinra tensei. Lol jesus kid.

What the hell are you talking about here kid?
I said that everyone has a different path, don't get those words twisted. Got it?
Chibakui tensei is a power specified to one path. Just like the king of hades summoning is only used by one path, it's been used by two-three paths.

That is the DB translation of "Six Paths Chibaku Tensei" ONLY. Bring the translation of just "Chibaku Tensei", and then we'll talk. BTW, even if "Chibaku Tensei" does not exist individually as a topic, this specific translation is talking about SIX PATHS Chibaku Tensei with slight reference to Chibaku Tensei. So you can't draw any conclusion about regular CT from this.

Again, it's not only six path chibakui tensei. Nagato's name wouldn't of shown up if it's only six path chibakui tensei. Read the ones in bold again:

Chibaku Tensei / Six Paths Chibaku Tensei

It has a single entry, and lists "Nagato / Naruto and Sasuke, Hagoromo and Hamura" as its users. It's a Kekkei Genkai, sealing technique.

Six Paths Chibaku Tensei is invoked when two users simultaneously touch their target with the "Yin" and "Yang" seals. It rips a giant chunk of earth up and turns it into a heavenly body, becoming the Prison of Six Paths (六道の獄 Rokudō no Goku) that can capture all things (万物捕, "banbutsuto"). It's a sealing jutsu that can be used by individuals who awaken Six Paths Senjutsu. "Chibaku Tensei" is the version that can be used by a single individual, while "Six Paths Chibaku Tensei" is a more powerful version that requires two individuals simultaneously combining the power of Yin and Yang. It turns the sealing target into a gravity core in the sky, which attracts chunks of earth that bury them alive. This forms a heavenly body in the sky that can act as a prison for even a tailed beast. The section in the bottom left describes how the moon was the result of Six Paths Chibaku Tensei, and that so much Chakra was contained within that it turned into a gigantic satellite. It also describes it as a giant sealing stone (封印石 "Fuinseki"), which implies that Kishimoto took some inspiration from those giant "sealing stones" you sometimes see -- the big boulders with the Kanji inscribed on them, usually with the ceremonial ropes adoring them.

Yes, the manga very explicitly stated Chibaku Tensei to be a Deva Path technique, if this was not already pretty obvious by the fact that CT was used through Deva Path, and Deva Path can't use any other techniques aside from Deva Realm techniques.

You just repeated the same post i just showed you. It said it's pain's secret forbidden technique. It's not Tendo exclusive either. Tendo/Deva had the power to summon gedo mazou as well, that doesn't mean it's a deva path technique.

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Nagato: God Realm (Deva Path) is close enough now. [Means the technique was to be performed using God Realm/Deva Path]

God realm needed to be closer to the Outer path in order for him to use its justu.
I already stated what I need to state. Nagato 7th pain can channel all his ability into one pain.

 

[bowflex]

What the hell are you talking about here kid?
I said that everyone has a different path, don't get those words twisted. Got it?
Chibakui tensei is a power specified to one path. Just like the king of hades summoning is only used by one path, it's been used by two-three paths.


Again, it's not only six path chibakui tensei. Nagato's name wouldn't of shown up if it's only six path chibakui tensei. Read the ones in bold again:






You just repeated the same post a just showed you. It said it's pain's secret forbidden technique. It's not Tendo exclusive either. Tendo/Deva had the power to summon gedo mazou as well, that doesn't mean it's a deva path technique.



God realm needed to be closer to the Outer path in order for him to use its justu.
I already stated what I need to state. Nagato 7th pain can channel all his ability into one pain.

Wtf are you even arguing?

 

[The Demon Hawk]

Again, it's not only six path chibakui tensei. Nagato's name wouldn't of shown up if it's only six path chibakui tensei. Read the ones in bold again:

I've already countered this before. Regardless of the title (merging both versions in one article), the translation is specifically about "Six Paths Chibaku Tensei" with reference to "Chibaku Tensei". So this doesn't prove anything as it lacks complete information about regular Chibaku Tensei.

BTW, what do you think CT showing attraction powers prove? Even if anyone does not know the details, he can simply figure out that CT is a Deva Path tech for the mere fact that it utilizes attraction ability which is clearly a Deva Path ability. Yet, I'm here giving you reasoning for this...

You just repeated the same post i just showed you. It said it's pain's secret forbidden technique. It's not Tendo exclusive either. Tendo/Deva had the power to summon gedo mazou as well, that doesn't mean it's a deva path technique.

Show me one scan of Deva Path summonING the Gedo Mezo.

Konan said that Nagato himself was the 7th Path. The rest of the Pains were Six Paths divided. Each one had one ability.

God realm needed to be closer to the Outer path in order for him to use its justu.
I already stated what I need to state.

Made this up yourself, I guess... Fanfic.

Nagato 7th pain can channel all his ability into one pain.

Okay, so why couldn't he channel other Paths abilities to Tendo Pain when he was out of Deva powers? Why didn't he give him Asura Path abilities when he was knocked down?

 

[VongolaX]

I've already countered this before. Regardless of the title (merging both versions in one article), the translation is specifically about "Six Paths Chibaku Tensei" with reference to "Chibaku Tensei". So this doesn't prove anything as it lacks complete information about regular Chibaku Tensei.

BTW, what do you think CT showing attraction powers prove? Even if anyone does not know the details, he can simply figure out that CT is a Deva Path tech for the mere fact that it utilizes attraction ability which is clearly a Deva Path ability. Yet, I'm here giving you reasoning for this...

Stating that it is a reference is a speculation. And a clear one at that. The title specifically states the translation/interpretation of both chibakui tensei and six path chibakui tensei.

So because you think that they are using gravity, you're gonna speculate that it's the same path power?

Shrina tensei uses The originating repulsion force generated by the power of all creation ”shinra obiki”

while chibakui tensei is that can capture all things (万物捕, "banbutsuto")/a gigantic satellite. It also describes it as a giant sealing stone (封印石 "Fuinseki")

These are completely different powers being used here. Ones using the power of shrina obiki while chibakui tensei uses the banbutsuto.

Show me one scan of Deva Path summonING the Gedo Mezo.

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Konan said that Nagato himself was the 7th Path. The rest of the Pains were Six Paths divided. Each one had one ability.

Each had one ability right? Then that means Deva path only has one ability. Shrina tensei is one ability.

Made this up yourself, I guess... Fanfic.

How is it a fanfic?

He just said that he needed to get closer to the Outerpath:

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Even edo nagato can use it:

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And even naruto calls it pain of six path techniques right here too.

Okay, so why couldn't he channel other Paths abilities to Tendo Pain when he was out of Deva powers? Why didn't he give him Asura Path abilities when he was knocked down?

Nagato channel's outerpath to Deva path all the time. And pain cannot have multiple path abilities at the same time.