Madara and sasuke

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*i know theres bound to be a reason why this isn't true that im forgetting but heres something i thought of*



danzo took one of shisuis eyes but not both of them.
i think that madara took shisui's other eye and transplanted it into him to gain the mind control ability. he keeps shisuis eye hidden under his mask to save chakra like kakashi does and when madara takes off his mask and shows sasuke who he is he really places sasuke under mind control.
 

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That could be true
cause he helped itachi to kill the other uchihas, and i think he used that eye when he fought with konan cause he wanted to keep his ems
 

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I doubt it!! remember after Danzo saw a bucket and kicked it (Died!! LOL) he went over to collect shisui's eye only to be disappointed to find it destroyed! Shisui's body was taken by danzo, probably with both eyes but he decided to use only one eye to hide his surgery (sharingan transplant, two eye meant he would either pretend to be blind or expose himself)
furthermore, Madara isn't a D***head. He's got big brains and lots of grey matter. He used Izzy on Kona because he knew he would win, thus losing one eye only to replace it with another. If Konan would have still defeated him, he would have used another strategy, maybe warp her to another demension.

so No..... Shisui's second eye is missing
 

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I'm not even sure if Tobi is indeed Madara at all.... We see his Sharingan but Madara has an Erternal Mangekyo Sharingan not just the normal one we always see.

I understand that he has been weakend but what could cause him to lose his eyes yet still have a Sharingan? The only thing I can think of is if Madara knew the jutsu that Orochimaru used to transfer bodys and used it to change into another Uchiha body when losing to the 1st Hokage.

And think Shisui was well known for his mastery of the body flicker and could control people without them even knowing..... Does Madara not teleport all over the place and control people? All we know is that Danzo has one of Shisui's eyes and Shisui's body was never found.
 

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I'm not even sure if Tobi is indeed Madara at all.... We see his Sharingan but Madara has an Erternal Mangekyo Sharingan not just the normal one we always see.

I understand that he has been weakend but what could cause him to lose his eyes yet still have a Sharingan? The only thing I can think of is if Madara knew the jutsu that Orochimaru used to transfer bodys and used it to change into another Uchiha body when losing to the 1st Hokage.

And think Shisui was well known for his mastery of the body flicker and could control people without them even knowing..... Does Madara not teleport all over the place and control people? All we know is that Danzo has one of Shisui's eyes and Shisui's body was never found.

I think he is Madara but he's using another body. To prove this he always refers to himself when he talks and he did mention 'he's not himself' an empty shell of his former self. I think what he meant by saying 'I will regain Madara's powers' is he will become himself his real body at it's fullest. Something might of happened to his original and now he's using a different body otherwise if it was his body he will be himself
 

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could be but i hope not it would be the lamest excuse possible for sasuke
 

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I don't think he used it on sasuke because he was hit with amaterasu too quickly.

But I do believe he did have his other eye and got rid of it when he used Izanagi against Konan
 

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i also have a theory that says that shisui had a special type of chakra and he might even be the reincarnation of the madara and that the madara got injured on his right side badly in the fight with minato and replaced his right arm and leg with shisuis which would explain the bolts/braces. and that since he only has half of his origonal body his chakra network is messed up and he can only make one handed hand signs for jutsus.

it also says that madara can live so long because of his vast amounts of chakra if this is the case then when minato seald half of the fox in him madara wouldve had to make a choice either take narutos "baby body or minato's" so he takes minatos body and has half of the demons chakra.
it would also explain why he would go after the bijuu's.
also if having a vast amount of chakra makes you live longer then i take it odds are kishi is going to have naruto use up all of his demon chakra in the end. or else naruto will seem immortal in a way.
 
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i also have a theory that says that shisui had a special type of chakra and he might even be the reincarnation of the madara and that the madara got injured on his right side badly in the fight with minato and replaced his right arm and leg with shisuis which would explain the bolts/braces. and that since he only has half of his origonal body his chakra network is messed up and he can only make one handed hand signs for jutsus.

it also says that madara can live so long because of his vast amounts of chakra if this is the case then when minato seald half of the fox in him madara wouldve had to make a choice either take narutos "baby body or minato's" so he takes minatos body and has half of the demons chakra.
it would also explain why he would go after the bijuu's.
also if having a vast amount of chakra makes you live longer then i take it odds are kishi is going to have naruto use up all of his demon chakra in the end. or else naruto will seem immortal in a way.


that actually sounds pretty plausible
and i agree about the naruto loosing his kyuubi chakra at the end
 

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that actually sounds pretty plausible
and i agree about the naruto loosing his kyuubi chakra at the end

He won't lose the kyuubi chakra.

When he dies of old age the nine tails is released, he doesn't just begin to live off of the nine tails chakra when his runs out.
 

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maybe madara switches bodies with some jutsu and he took shisu body
 

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*i know theres bound to be a reason why this isn't true that im forgetting but heres something i thought of*



danzo took one of shisuis eyes but not both of them.
i think that madara took shisui's other eye and transplanted it into him to gain the mind control ability. he keeps shisuis eye hidden under his mask to save chakra like kakashi does and when madara takes off his mask and shows sasuke who he is he really places sasuke under mind control.

I've been saying this a while and people think I'm a idiot for it. But it would make sense if he did have it until he used izangi and sealed it away.



Reasons for my thoughts, are in Sauskes battle with Danzo, Madara talks like he is controling sauske.Madara also controlled the 4th Mizkage, and the fourth was equated to killer be in terms of being at peace with his tailed beast and them working together (jinjuriki when in sync with their tailed beasts can escape sharingan genjuitsu with ease.. ex killer bee and the 8 tails), Itachi explains about how he felt he was trapt in someones genjuitsu during the murder of the Uchiha clan and Madara was the only other one there, and when Kabuto was talking to Madara about IWR Kabuto told him to take control of him with the his sharingan and make him say release and preform the hand seals.

Which in my head keeps it probable that he had the doryoku that danzo had. I'll get manga links and edit them in. or post them in another post. But good thread..

the kabuto talk, taking control of someone with the sharingan isnt a normal occular power as far as I know but if it is I'd really like to know where and when it happend.


the danzo sauske fight where madara says that I've might have gone a tag overboard in useing his abilites.


Itachi wanted to beleive that it was a nightmare or explination that it was a genjuitsu.



I'll disagree with about this part "it also says that madara can live so long because of his vast amounts of chakra if this is the case then when minato seald half of the fox in him madara wouldve had to make a choice either take narutos "baby body or minato's" so he takes minatos body and has half of the demons chakra.
it would also explain why he would go after the bijuu's." Because Madara had the three tailed jinjuriki under his control and then Ao broke the genjuitsu and something happend where the 3 tailed beast was released. As well as Madara had posession of the 9 tailed beast twice, its a really dumb thing to have something you want twice and not get it, He could have put the 9 tails in the other dimension like he did to Kerin and Sauske but chose not to, same with the three tails. HUGE MISTAKE imo.
 
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itatchi never said that it was sasuke
who said "it was a nightmare or explination that it was a genjuitsu."
 

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itatchi never said that it was sasuke
who said "it was a nightmare or explination that it was a genjuitsu."

Alright the last example was a stretch. But the other two examples are still pretty solid no?
 

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I always felt inside that Shisui's eye may have been used by Tobi/Madara. I believe that it was mentioned that Madara was controlling Pein behind the scenes and I don't know how that may have been possible without the mind control ability that Shisui had, so I assumed that Madara had one of the eyes. I always thought Pein was the strongest red cloud member with the rinnegan, thus mind control would have been needed (or simply misinformation and deceit) to have the last surviving creator of the red cloud society (besides Konan) to not be running things ultimately. But who knows......good theory to me
 

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Well think about this.... If Tobi is only pretending to be Madara and really it's another Uchiha then maybe the other body that Kabuto showed Tobi in the impure world ressurection coffin was Madara.....

Would explain why he was so shocked. Then again Madara could just be Madara and the body in the coffin could be the sage of the 6 paths
 

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I always felt inside that Shisui's eye may have been used by Tobi/Madara. I believe that it was mentioned that Madara was controlling Pein behind the scenes and I don't know how that may have been possible without the mind control ability that Shisui had, so I assumed that Madara had one of the eyes. I always thought Pein was the strongest red cloud member with the rinnegan, thus mind control would have been needed (or simply misinformation and deceit) to have the last surviving creator of the red cloud society (besides Konan) to not be running things ultimately. But who knows......good theory to me

Follow the links and it will show you that the illusion placed on the 4th Mizkage was the same as the one Danzo placed on Mifune. Which can form a link. But I have assumed/think the same thing that Madara had one of Shisuis eyes, until he used Izangi to keep from dying, and replaced it with Negatos Rinningan. I also think in the anime in one of the last 3 or so episodes Ao said he released the genjuitsu on the 4th Mizkage.

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