Madara and Obito NEED Sasuke

[Demonic Kitsune]

If he was going to used it on his own, why still the need for Obito? Madara is a Edo now, yet Obito has something over him, you can see it when they speak. Madara still needs Obito for something. Otherwise he could have cast Infinite Tsukyomi about 35 chapters ago.

you dont know why madara needs obito? simple... MADARA wants to become the 10 tails jin...with that said..he needs to be mortal... which only obito can do via rinne tensei, so obito must sacrifice himself so that madara can become god pretty much and then do infinite tsukyomi., he cannot cast it in his edo form..

 

[Demonic Kitsune]

Madara does have Tsukuyomi, he showed Obito that he was able to increase his power of Tsukuyomi via the Gedo Mazo statue. This was when we say old Madara transform to young Madara and he said he was able to create anything he'd like. Though I do agree to an extent, Sasuke is part of their plan, or rather Obito's plan at least. We don't know if Madara knows about Sasuke yet.

very well put, i have to say that sasuke is in obitos plan, due to him probably never planning to revive madara originally..and that madara has no clue about sasuke and probably will be intrigued by him when they show up. I still hope madara is going to be cocky even when his best bud shows up lmfao.

 

[Honord Sage]

Originally and probably still Obito is most likely to sacrifice Sasuke to bring Madara to full life so He can become the Host of the 10 Tail so that the Moon Eye Plan can come to full fulfillment.

 

[aimop95]

Originally and probably still Obito is most likely to sacrifice Sasuke to bring Madara to full life so He can become the Host of the 10 Tail so that the Moon Eye Plan can come to full fulfillment.

Sauske doesn't have a rinnigan. Obito does, only rinnigan users can bring the dead to life with the outer path.

 

[Kronnic]

Hey guys this is my first post on the base, I normally just read everyone else post but anyways I've had a theory for awhile about Infinite Tsukyomi, from what I know of it, it's the way that Madara intends on turning to real world into a dream world by casting everyone on a planet wide genjutsu using the moon. Tsukyomi is one of the powers along with Amaterasu of a Mangekyou sharinngan user that grants you Susanoo(keep following i'm getting to my point lol). Obito has yet to use Amaterasu, Tsukyomi (he has used Izanagi on Konan), or Susanoo. So at this point I will assume he doesn't have any of those jutsu. On the other hand Madara does have a Susanno in fact a perfect one and a Rinnegan but we have never seen him use Amaterasu or Tsukyomi (not that i remember anyways). Although the Rinnegan is supposedly a evolution of a Sharinngan with the help of Senju cells, we have never seen Rinnegan users use Sharinngan techniques with the exception of Madara's Susanoo. Nagato definitely didn't. So my question is. To do a INFINITE Tsukyomi wouldn't you need a Tsukyomi in the first place which Obito and Madara have not shown to possess. Sasuke on the other hand, even though an inferior version to Itachi's has shown the ability to use Tsukyomi (used it on Danzo). So Sasuke coming to the battlefield is probably exactly what Obito and Madara want, they need his eyes to complete their plan.

Ok that's my theory, tell me what you guys think. Be nice i'm new lol.

If I'm not mistaking, I think Madara used it on Hashi in they final battle. So Madara can perform it on a small scale.

 

[Whiteknight]

Hey guys this is my first post on the base, I normally just read everyone else post but anyways I've had a theory for awhile about Infinite Tsukyomi, from what I know of it, it's the way that Madara intends on turning to real world into a dream world by casting everyone on a planet wide genjutsu using the moon. Tsukyomi is one of the powers along with Amaterasu of a Mangekyou sharinngan user that grants you Susanoo(keep following i'm getting to my point lol). Obito has yet to use Amaterasu, Tsukyomi (he has used Izanagi on Konan), or Susanoo. So at this point I will assume he doesn't have any of those jutsu. On the other hand Madara does have a Susanno in fact a perfect one and a Rinnegan but we have never seen him use Amaterasu or Tsukyomi (not that i remember anyways). Although the Rinnegan is supposedly a evolution of a Sharinngan with the help of Senju cells, we have never seen Rinnegan users use Sharinngan techniques with the exception of Madara's Susanoo. Nagato definitely didn't. So my question is. To do a INFINITE Tsukyomi wouldn't you need a Tsukyomi in the first place which Obito and Madara have not shown to possess. Sasuke on the other hand, even though an inferior version to Itachi's has shown the ability to use Tsukyomi (used it on Danzo). So Sasuke coming to the battlefield is probably exactly what Obito and Madara want, they need his eyes to complete their plan.

Ok that's my theory, tell me what you guys think. Be nice i'm new lol.

We've seen Madara demonstrate his genjutsu on Obito already in the cave. He brought Obito into a new place that Madara was creating. Whether this is called "tsukuyomi" or not, technically, does not matter. We've already seen him use it so it doesn't matter.

Also you say that Susannoo is formed by the product of Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi. We haven't seen Madara use Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi yet, but we HAVE seen him use Susannoo. By extrapolating, we have to assume that he has the prerequisites of Susannoo.

Madara has talked about using this technique and there's no reason to doubt that he can do it.

There's also no reason to suspect that Madara knows about Sasuke, especially since Sasuke wasn't even born before Madara died and entrusted Obito to continue the work. Itachi probably had been born at that time but was too young to predict what powers his eyes would eventually unlock (or predict whether Itachi would even unlock his MS, which is rare).

 

[Erikhog]

Madara has genjutsu abilities look back at the obito flashback he showed obito his plan(via genjutsu)

 

[6PathsofKami]

Not really, when Madara made his plan Sasuke wasn't even born so its obvious he wasnt part of the plan.

 

[Gaaraske]

Great insight on my theory guys, some of you brought up some interesting points, especially about Obito trying to sacrifice Sasuke instead to revive madara with rinne tensei...