[Theory] Madara and Hashi: Extreme Speeds

[Senju Bean]

Giant objects move extremely fast even when they seem very slow. The moon is insanely fast, traveling many times the speed of sound, yet to our eye, it's not moving at all.

Take Hashi's Shinsushinju statue. It's miles tall and wide. If I was as big as that, me reaching my hand to scratch my nose in a normal time frame that it would normally take for me to do it, is probably going to be faster than a speeding bullet.

In the anime, look at how fast Madara swung that sword. Dividing the distance it covers by the time would indicate an extremely fast speed. Not even Ay could dodge it.

Hashi's statue, if moving at what seems to a far away observer to be extremely slow, would probably be moving faster than race cars. But the scan below shows that Shinshushinju can move very fast relative to it's size. Covering miles in fractions of a second.

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Those speeds are easily reentry speeds. If Ay can dodge Amateratsu, then Hashi could do so easily by simply having the statue nudge its head.

Giant objects move incomprehensibly fast if they appear to be moving fast.

 

[obito uchiha the wraith]

... This thread is silly. What was A supposed to dodge? The attack wasnt even aimed at him and it was much to big to dodge. Plus wood god dodging Amaterasu? Good luck it's not like its a massive target that is easy to hit. The damn thing can't even move anything but its hands.

 

[Senju Bean]

... This thread is silly. What was A supposed to dodge? The attack wasnt even aimed at him and it was much to big to dodge. Plus wood god dodging Amaterasu? Good luck it's not like its a massive target that is easy to hit. The damn thing can't even move anything but its hands.

No its just basic physics. For something extremely large to appear to move fast, it has to move extraordinarily fast.

 

[Senju Bean]

Ay couldn't dodge because he was too slow to dodge. If he was indeed faster than the swing of the blade, then he should be able to avoid it by staying ahead of it, outrunning it's chase.

 

[obito uchiha the wraith]

Ay couldn't dodge because he was too slow to dodge. If he was indeed faster than the swing of the blade, then he should be able to avoid it by staying ahead of it, outrunning it's chase.

There was nothing to dodge it wasnt aimed at him not only that he COULDN'T dodge he was knocked off his feet like everyone else.

 

[Senju Bean]

Amateratsu? Maybe the body can't dodge due to it being so big, but Hashi can use to statue to dodge to flames from hitting him.

Hashi usually stays on the head of the statue. Well, since the head can nudge to the side at faster then Ay's speed, Hashi himself, by virtue of being on the head, would have essentially side stepped the attack.

 

[Senju Bean]

There was nothing to dodge it wasnt aimed at him not only that he COULDN'T dodge he was knocked off his feet like everyone else.

Well, then he shouldn't dodge. He should just outrun the shockwave. The idea is simple, if the shockwave is moving a x, then Ay would only need retreat at a speed greater than x to avoid injury. But he didn't because he's slower.

 

[narutocentral]

Dude your insanely right i didnt realize that. Plus rep for accounting other factors in the universe for a Naruto analogy

 

[Unbiased]

Giant objects move extremely fast even when seem very slow. The moon is insanely fast, traveling many times time speed of sound, yet to our eye, it's not moving at all.

Take Hashi's Shinsushinju statue. It's miles tall and wide. If I was as big as that, me reaching my hand to scratch my nose in a normal time frame that it would normally take for me to do it, is probably going to be faster than a speeding bullet.

In the anime, look at how fast Madara swung that sword. Dividing the distance it covers by the time would indicate an extremely fast speed. Not even Ay could dodge it.

Hashi's statue, if moving at what seems to a far away observer to be extremely slow, would probably be moving faster than race cars. But the scan below shows that Shinshushinju can move very fast relative to it's size. Covering miles in fractions of a second.

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Those speeds are easily reentry speeds. If Ay can dodge Amateratsu, then Hashi could do so easily by simply having the statue nudge its head.

Giant objects move way too fast if they appear to be moving fast.

First A's reaction speeds are increased due to having raiton activated. So comparing reaction times between shodai hokage and A is a little silly. The reactions times are factually speaking are unknown.

Second, if the statue is hit it is slowly burning. If sasuke is the one who hit it then he can manipulate the flames and consume the statue. (Blaze Release)

 

[Senju Bean]

First A's reaction speeds are increased due to having raiton activated. So comparing reaction times between shodai hokage and A is a little silly. The reactions times are factually speaking are unknown.

Second, if the statue is hit it is slowly burning. If sasuke is the one who hit it then he can manipulate the flames and consume the statue. (Blaze Release)

Hashi should have fast reaction too. He was able to mentally react to PS swords, which are extremely fast. Sage Mode has shown to increase reaction time as noted when SM Naruto speed blitzed pain or when SM Kabuto dodged Susanno arrows.

If Sasuke hit the statue with enton, then Hashi will still pulverize Sasuke by hitting him with 1000 megatons of punching force. If the arms are on fire, even better, the flames would be redirected back to Sasuke via the punches.

 

[Unbiased]

Hashi should have fast reaction too. He was able to mentally react to PS swords, which are extremely fast. Sage Mode has shown to increase reaction time as noted when SM Naruto speed blitzed pain or when SM Kabuto dodged Susanno arrows.

If Sasuke hit the statue with enton, then Hashi will still pulverize Sasuke by hitting him with 1000 megatons of punching force. If the arms are on fire, even better, the flames would be redirected back to Sasuke via the punches.

It's not 1,000 megatons of force that would destroy a good chunk of a continent easily. 50 megatons of force causes 3rd degree burns 64 miles away. If sasuke manipulates the fire like I stated he'll win. He can manipulate it while it's in air. (refer to 4th raikage vs sasuke at the summit) therefore it is plausible that he can do that in this scenario. I'm not sasuke lover I hate him regardless nothing here is factual in terms of this hashi vs sasuke debate.

 

[Senju Bean]

It's not 1,000 megatons of force that would destroy a good chunk of a continent easily. 50 megatons of force causes 3rd degree burns 64 miles away. If sasuke manipulates the fire like I stated he'll win. He can manipulate it while it's in air. (refer to 4th raikage vs sasuke at the summit) therefore it is plausible that he can do that in this scenario. I'm not sasuke lover I hate him regardless nothing here is factual in terms of this hashi vs sasuke debate.

No, to destroy a big chunk of a continent, you need much much more than 1000 megatons. The meteor that killed the dinosaurs is estimated by scientists to be at 100 million megatons, and even that didn't shatter a continent.

Humans produced 50 megatons with nukes. Considering its Hashi and taking into account the vast weight of the statue and the speed of the punches, I'd say I was a bit generous with my estimate.

We don't know how fast he can make the fire spread, the statue is miles wide and tall. It might not work in time to save Sasuke.

 

[osba]

it would be like a tennis racket..

 

[Armathyx]

Giant objects move extremely fast even when they seem very slow. The moon is insanely fast, traveling many times the speed of sound, yet to our eye, it's not moving at all.

Take Hashi's Shinsushinju statue. It's miles tall and wide. If I was as big as that, me reaching my hand to scratch my nose in a normal time frame that it would normally take for me to do it, is probably going to be faster than a speeding bullet.

In the anime, look at how fast Madara swung that sword. Dividing the distance it covers by the time would indicate an extremely fast speed. Not even Ay could dodge it.

Hashi's statue, if moving at what seems to a far away observer to be extremely slow, would probably be moving faster than race cars. But the scan below shows that Shinshushinju can move very fast relative to it's size. Covering miles in fractions of a second.

You must be registered for see images

Those speeds are easily reentry speeds. If Ay can dodge Amateratsu, then Hashi could do so easily by simply having the statue nudge its head.

Giant objects move incomprehensibly fast if they appear to be moving fast.

I was going to write a whole paragraph on how you're wrong but I'm too lazy. You're a dumbass.

 

[Senju Bean]

I was going to write a whole paragraph on how you're wrong but I'm too lazy. You're a dumbass.

Have you studied mechanics? What university did you graduate from? Please enlighten me Professor.

However, do be cautious with the petty name calling. We are both mature adults with interests in socratic discourse, not unrefined ruffians. Please write with some sophistication in my presence.

 

[Armathyx]

Have you studied mechanics? What university did you graduate from? Please enlighten me Professor.

However, do be cautious with the petty name calling. We are both mature adults with interests in socratic discourse, not unrefined ruffians. Please write with some sophistication in my presence.

You're not a grown adult, you're a 16 year old wannabe who writes out of a dictionary in an attempt to impress others. You've probably never been past the third floor of a building, you don't know what this world looks like let alone how it works. You post in this thread not for the sake of discussion but to get yourself some undeserved attention.

Oh and don't give me shit about "your presence" as if you were some kind of important scholar. You can stuff your ego back up where it came from. You are a nobody.

 

[marijuanna]

Have you studied mechanics? What university did you graduate from? Please enlighten me Professor.

However, do be cautious with the petty name calling. We are both mature adults with interests in socratic discourse, not unrefined ruffians. Please write with some sophistication in my presence.

I did graduate in navy engeneering, and you are talking nonsence, because its big it moves fast, thats stupid, chackra gives it a limited amout of force, force is equal to mass x aceleration, so because it is heavy it cant acelerate that much, if you are using amout of movement its still the same. Now if your point is that we were watching from far away, so the fast is actually really fast, like looking at a plane in the sky, then you're right, but i assure you, it has nothing to do with size, if anything it is slower because of air fricction, dont talk big when you are a layman

 

[Imperius]

After so long I still don't know, was it the Susano'o that moved and dashed through the mountains or was it the swipe that caused the destruction.

 

[marijuanna]

After so long I still don't know, was it the Susano'o that moved and dashed through the mountains or was it the swipe that caused the destruction.

Swipe, think getsuga tenshou and supersize it

 

[Senju Bean]

I did graduate in navy engeneering, and you are talking nonsence, because its big it moves fast, thats stupid, chackra gives it a limited amout of force, force is equal to mass x aceleration, so because it is heavy it cant acelerate that much, if you are using amout of movement its still the same. Now if your point is that we were watching from far away, so the fast is actually really fast, like looking at a plane in the sky, then you're right, but i assure you, it has nothing to do with size, if anything it is slower because of air fricction, dont talk big when you are a layman

Are you high? Look, and I have a degree mathematics and a minor in physics so I think I know what I am talking about. I'm not saying that just because something is big it moves fast. I'm saying that for something big to appear to be moving at all, it has to move fast.

Just like the plane example you mentioned. It's true. So if PS swung that sword in one second, which it did in the Anime, then it would have covered over 100 meters in that second since PS is easily over that size. So yes, that alone proves that it is fast. Hashi is in the same tier, so his statue is expected to be fast too.