[VS] Madara (3 tomoe) vs Third Raikage

[Draegod]

With Kurama, yeah. Without, no. Though it seems his physical abilities are greater with a real body.

Both can summon Kurama (It was in Madara when edo though). So that point is moot isn't it?

And to me it seemed as though he could have broke free at any moment but was focused on the obito Zetsu situtation to happen:

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Basically he was trolling them to make sure the Obito situation

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and opening. Because he didn't become "Stronger" in strength. He just got his OG body back.

 

[UnderstandPain]

Scenario 1 A definately wins because Madara doesn't have the protection or the speed to take him on with just the 3 tomoe sharingan. Scenario 2 is kinda iffy it mainly depends on whether hell stab penetrates Susanoo and how Madara would react to the strain.

 

[KidGamer65]

Both can summon Kurama (It was in Madara when edo though). So that point is moot isn't it?

Madara doesn't have access to Kurama while he's an Edo. He tried to summon it and failed, so its not part of his arsenal.

And to me it seemed as though he could have broke free at any moment but was focused on the obito Zetsu situtation to happen:

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Basically he was trolling them to make sure the Obito situation

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and opening. Because he didn't become "Stronger" in strength. He just got his OG body back.

No, its not that he could have broken out at any time, he knew that Zetsu was going to get Obito (he has a link with him) so he wasn't worried about what was happening to himself on this part of the field. There was no reason to act like he was defeated, its not going to make the Obito situation go faster. It doesn't really help anything so there's no reason to believe he was faking.

Madara shits.

He can use genjutsu to make the Raikage kill himself.

Lol, how did I forget something as simple as this? Totally forgot Genjutsu can mind control...guess Madara takes this in S2.

 

[Bronze]

Madara doesn't have access to Kurama while he's an Edo. He tried to summon it and failed, so its not part of his arsenal.

He failed, because it was sealed inside Naruto. Kurama isn't sealed inside EMS Madara, therefore, he can reverse the control and overpower it via black rods as well as chains.​

 

[AizenSosuke]

3 rd Raikage takes this.

 

[Draegod]

Madara doesn't have access to Kurama while he's an Edo. He tried to summon it and failed, so its not part of his arsenal.



No, its not that he could have broken out at any time, he knew that Zetsu was going to get Obito (he has a link with him) so he wasn't worried about what was happening to himself on this part of the field. There was no reason to act like he was defeated, its not going to make the Obito situation go faster. It doesn't really help anything so there's no reason to believe he was faking.



Lol, how did I forget something as simple as this? Totally forgot Genjutsu can mind control...guess Madara takes this in S2.

Genjutsu cannot make you kill your self (atleast not his level, otherwise His son Aye would be dead. Or Deidara would be dead from sasuke, or Danzou would be dead from Sasuke). Elites can easily Disrupt or dispel the Genjutsu when it is Obv it is an genjutsu. That is why When Uchihas use Genjutsu in a fight it is used to Paralyze or fool the opponent by making it close to reality as possible so they would not notice they are in genjutsu.

And pertaining the Edo Madara vs Alliance. He could have Easily used Mayflower to escape them Correct or the same tactic Hashi used on him and he used on the Kages? He had plenty of ways to counter and what not. He didn't even use a single Wood style against Hashi, nor a Rinegan tech besides absorb. Plus the expressions show he was simply just Waiting and smirking as if he had no worries. But I guess to each his own, If you don't agree you simply don't agree.

And Edo madara can literally do everything EMS can do but more. Only that differs them is the Kyubi. And he has Hashi's power to make up for the Kyubi which is a break even in a sense with Rinnegan abilities as well.

 

[sharingansennin]

why do people call the raikage invincible when it's obvious his weakness is his own power, even naruto figured that out and with sharingan giving him an edge he would eventually think of it

 

[Bogard]

3rd Raikage would win. I give him the same immunity his son has against genjutsus. Madara has nothing to put him down and a close range between the 2 would favor the 3rd regardless who is faster because the 3rd is physically stronger. The moment he would catch Madara, he would kill him

 

[Gold Lightning]

why do people call the raikage invincible when it's obvious his weakness is his own power, even naruto figured that out and with sharingan giving him an edge he would eventually think of it

Naruto needed a senjutsu enhanced Rasengan just to be able to move his arm. What does 3 tomoe Madara have that is strong enough to even make Raikage's arm budge?

And whoever said Madara can use genjutsu to make Raikage kill himself should kill themself.

 

[KidGamer65]

He failed, because it was sealed inside Naruto. Kurama isn't sealed inside EMS Madara, therefore, he can reverse the control and overpower it via black rods as well as chains.​

At the time of Edo Madara's existence, Kurama wasn't available to him, so there is no reason it should be in his arsenal. It being sealed inside him or Naruto doesn't change that.

Genjutsu cannot make you kill your self (atleast not his level, otherwise His son Aye would be dead. Or Deidara would be dead from sasuke, or Danzou would be dead from Sasuke). Elites can easily Disrupt or dispel the Genjutsu when it is Obv it is an genjutsu. That is why When Uchihas use Genjutsu in a fight it is used to Paralyze or fool the opponent by making it close to reality as possible so they would not notice they are in genjutsu.

He was able to control

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, though that could have been because Kabuto's conciousness itself was locked in Izanami...so you have a very good point.

And pertaining the Edo Madara vs Alliance. He could have Easily used Mayflower to escape them Correct or the same tactic Hashi used on him and he used on the Kages? He had plenty of ways to counter and what not. He didn't even use a single Wood style against Hashi, nor a Rinegan tech besides absorb. Plus the expressions show he was simply just Waiting and smirking as if he had no worries. But I guess to each his own, If you don't agree you simply don't agree.

If he could have he would have, and Mokuton against Hashirama is pointless since Hashirama's Mokuton is stronger due to Sage Mode, and his expressions only show that he had no worries, only because he knew Zetsu was about to get Obito.

To each his own I guess.

And Edo madara can literally do everything EMS can do but more. Only that differs them is the Kyubi. And he has Hashi's power to make up for the Kyubi which is a break even in a sense with Rinnegan abilities as well.

Hashirama's Base Mokuton doesn't make up for the power Kurama gave him, and he can't even use his Rinnegan to its fullest.

 

[Bronze]

At the time of Edo Madara's existence, Kurama wasn't available to him, so there is no reason it should be in his arsenal. It being sealed inside him or Naruto doesn't change that.

Edo Madara didn't exist some 20 years ago. He existed during the latest war, and Kurama already had a host. Also, is there any proof of the claim, cause 2nd Mizukage summoned his animal while being ET?​

 

[KidGamer65]

Edo Madara didn't exist some 20 years ago. He existed during the latest war, and Kurama already had a host.​

Um. Yeah, I know this. Exactly what I stated and exactly why he doesn't get Kurama in his arsenal.

Also, is there any proof of the claim, cause 2nd Mizukage summoned his animal while being ET?

What claim? If you are implying I claimed Edo Zombies can't summon their animals, I never said such a thing.​

 

[Bronze]

Um. Yeah, I know this. Exactly what I stated and exactly why he doesn't get Kurama in his arsenal.



What claim? If you are implying I claimed Edo Zombies can't summon their animals, I never said a thing.

No, because you claimed Edo Madara is unable to summon Kurama, when its shown only because it had a host. So, if Kurama didn't have a host, Edo Madara gets it, since its his contract summon.​

 

[KidGamer65]

No, because you claimed Edo Madara is unable to summon Kurama, when its shown only because it had a host. So, if Kurama didn't have a host, Edo Madara gets it, since its his contract summon.​

Except Edo Madara existed and only existed while Kurama had a host. So he doesn't get it.

 

[Bronze]

Except Edo Madara existed and only existed while Kurama had a host. So he doesn't get it.

I made the scenario around superiority of EMS Madara. Not currently.​

 

[KidGamer65]

I made the scenario around superiority of EMS Madara. Not currently.​

Those are one in the same. EMS Madara had Kurama accessible to him while Edo Madara didn't. With it he's above Edo Madara and without he's below.

 

[Bronze]

Those are one in the same. EMS Madara had Kurama accessible to him while Edo Madara didn't. With it he's above Edo Madara and without he's below.

And, Edo Madara reverse the control with his Sharingan and makes Kurama his pet again. And to prevent his lesser version from getting it, he throws out some black rod to make it impossible.​

 

[KidGamer65]

And, Edo Madara reverse the control with his Sharingan and makes Kurama his pet again. And to prevent his lesser version from getting it, he throws out some black rod to make it impossible.​

How? Its sealed in Naruto. I don't attribute Kurama to him for the same reason I don't give Adult Obito Kurama.

 

[Bronze]

How? Its sealed in Naruto. I don't attribute Kurama to him for the same reason I don't give Adult Obito Kurama.

Technically, adult Obito wouldn't get Kurama, because of Minato's contract summoning seal. Nvm, we're getting off topic.​

 

[KidGamer65]

Technically, adult Obito wouldn't get Kurama, because of Minato's contract summoning seal. Nvm, we're getting off topic.​

Yeah, I guess we'll drop it here.