[Discussion] M3 vs Fujitora
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Holy shit, the bullshit is strong in this one.
Just because he has a sword he is second strongest because Zoro is too ? Lol the arrogance.
Why says that Fuji will ever fight the SH's, he seems to be one of the 'new' marines who doesn't follow the absolute justice ideology of Akainu just like Smoker, Coby and Garp etc.
Besides, that fighting the second strongest thing hasn't happened for a while now. With Fujitora, Doflamingo and diamante running around. Are you sure Pica is the second strongest on Dressrosa ?
Was Monet the second strongest in Punk Hazard ? Was Hyouzou the second strongest in Fishman Island, or would he get steamrolled under Wadatsumi ?
He hasn't fought the second strongest since timeskip. The second strongest is now reserved for outside characters to show-off their growth, like Jinbei, Law, Sabo (and possibly Kyros).
To call Issho second strongest just because he has a sword with Kizaru still running around and Green bull who is unknown is just silly.
Also Akainu isn't an admiral anymore, so also for that reason he should be taken out of the equation.
The first/second/third strongest logic still works. It's just that you're stupid enough to compare intermediary clashes with end of arc fights.
1- Fishmen island, Zoro had an intermediary clash with Hody, but by the climax of the arc it's Luffy who defeated him when Zoro defeated the second and Sanji the third(with some help though)
2- Sanji had an intermediary clash with Vergo but it's not Sanji who fought and defeated Vergo at the climax of the arc. It's Law when Luffy defeated the second strongest(presumably) and Zoro defeated the third strongest. The difference in this arc however is the inclusion of Law that broke the strawhat logic. It can imply Law > Luffy > Zoro(which is actually possible) but Law could also be considered as an external being not included in the strawhats opponents logic, which comes down to the Luffy > Zoro as per usual
3- Sanji had intermediary fight with Doflamingo, but in the end, it's Luffy(and Law?) who will defeat Doflamingo when Zoro will defeat the implied second strongest antagonist(Pica). And no, you can't include Fujitora who isn't even a strawhat antagonist. It's like the vice-admirals in enies lobby who were stronger than Rob Lucci but they weren't included in the strongest opponents logic because they were just side-characters in the actual arc plot importance
The logic never changed and could be seen even earlier in the serie
1- Zoro and Sanji had intermediary clashes with Arlong, but in the end Luffy is the one who defeated him
2- Zoro had intermediary clashes with Enel, but it's Luffy who defeated him
3- Zoro and Franky had intermediary clashes with Rob Lucci, but it's Luffy who defeated him
4- Sanji had intermediary clash with Kalifa, but in the end his real opponent was Jyabura
And so on and so on...
Intermediary clashes to rate the strongest opponent logic back hold no candle at all
Though i do agree that at this point in time that logic is flawed concerning Fujitora. There needs to be more development around him but i do think the way Oda portrayed the clashes between Zoro and Fuji, that he intends them to fight later. However not necessarly in the same arc with other admirals. Dunno why people think there would be an arc where Strawhats would fight all admirals at the same time
1- Fishmen island, Zoro had an intermediary clash with Hody, but by the climax of the arc it's Luffy who defeated him when Zoro defeated the second and Sanji the third(with some help though)
2- Sanji had an intermediary clash with Vergo but it's not Sanji who fought and defeated Vergo at the climax of the arc. It's Law when Luffy defeated the second strongest(presumably) and Zoro defeated the third strongest. The difference in this arc however is the inclusion of Law that broke the strawhat logic. It can imply Law > Luffy > Zoro(which is actually possible) but Law could also be considered as an external being not included in the strawhats opponents logic, which comes down to the Luffy > Zoro as per usual
3- Sanji had intermediary fight with Doflamingo, but in the end, it's Luffy(and Law?) who will defeat Doflamingo when Zoro will defeat the implied second strongest antagonist(Pica). And no, you can't include Fujitora who isn't even a strawhat antagonist. It's like the vice-admirals in enies lobby who were stronger than Rob Lucci but they weren't included in the strongest opponents logic because they were just side-characters in the actual arc plot importance
The logic never changed and could be seen even earlier in the serie
1- Zoro and Sanji had intermediary clashes with Arlong, but in the end Luffy is the one who defeated him
2- Zoro had intermediary clashes with Enel, but it's Luffy who defeated him
3- Zoro and Franky had intermediary clashes with Rob Lucci, but it's Luffy who defeated him
4- Sanji had intermediary clash with Kalifa, but in the end his real opponent was Jyabura
And so on and so on...
Intermediary clashes to rate the strongest opponent logic back hold no candle at all
Though i do agree that at this point in time that logic is flawed concerning Fujitora. There needs to be more development around him but i do think the way Oda portrayed the clashes between Zoro and Fuji, that he intends them to fight later. However not necessarly in the same arc with other admirals. Dunno why people think there would be an arc where Strawhats would fight all admirals at the same time
Dude all this text and I can tear it to shit after the first sentence. What a waste of your time man, I didn't even read it the whole way through.
I never talked about 'intermediary clashes'. I was talking about 'end of arc fights' the entire time.
I literally said:
See I didn't even write anything new, yet I debunked your paragraph after the first sentence. I can only come to the conclusion that a lot of members in this section have a reading problem.
The difference is that Law is in an alliance with the strawhats. He is somehow involved in the arc opponent plots. Totally different from innen arc characters like Fujitora, Sabo, Kyros and so on. And like i've said, Fujitora doesn't count because he isn't involved in the arc plot. Just like Sabo. They are just side characters in the inner-arc involving the protagonist and antagonist, so the logic doesn't work on them. No need to mention them. As for Jinbe, he didn't fight the second strongest either. He shared the presumably third(outside Decken) strongest with Sanji. It's also heavily implied that Pica is the second strongest, so Kyros isn't fighting the second strongest either. In the end you're just making up BS over BS
Ah I see how it is. you take all baddies then subtract all the non strawhats, then subtract baddies that aren't the main villains, and you keep doing that just as long as it takes until Zoro is faced with the second strongest or until you're right.
Talking about bullshit
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No, i'm explaining you how the first/second/third strongest arc opponent logic works. Ace was the strongest in the alabasta arc, but he was an outside character not involved in the scheme between arc protagonists and antagonist, just like Fujitora and Sabo, so they don't count. Vice-admirals in enies lobby were stronger than Rob Lucci, but weren't involved in the scheme between arc protagonists vs antagonists. The first/second/strongest arc logic only works between protagonists and antagonists arc battle. It's what i'm explaining to you. It has nothing to do with a personal character relation. Fujitora is stronger than Doflamingo and it's not Luffy who faced him in this arc
Yes you said that already, it was just as funny the first time around. Please explain me how I should count some enemies to the enemies and which friends are actually fighting with the strawhats. It's stupid that Oda included them in the first place, damn spotlight stealers, if it wasn't for those meddling kids like Sabo and Law.
if only, if only..
Nice addition to a 35 day old thread. Must've taken some time to come up with this amazing piece literature, you don't often see opinions that have this level of argumentation. Also has nothing to do with the topic of the thread. It's like the holy trinity of **** ups.
