M.I.S.O vs Kakashi Hiashi Gai & Jiraiya

[EZQ]

We know he is too fast for Hiashi and has jutsus that would completely overwhelm him. He barely needs Susanoo to beat anyone here bar Gai.

@bold: Kakashi beats no susano Madara too, not just Gai.

 

[Rιver]

@bold: Kakashi beats no susano Madara too, not just Gai.

He doesn't. Madara's Katon would roast him (which he can't dodge nor stop), and his Taijutsu skills would end Kakashi.

 

[MickNerks]

Even with the MS, itachi, sasuke, or Madara is getting wreaked by sage mode jiraiya with MA and pa on his shoulders and all boss toads at his Beck and call. This clearly goes the team Jaraiya do to sage mode being overwhelming.
Jiraiya low diff sasuke, itachi, or Madara 1on1 and proceeds to help others take down the rest

Same applies with might guy in 7th gate against sasuke or itachi or Madara.

 

[KidGamer65]

Keep believing that garbage.

Considering you've failed to give any evidence to the contrary, I will. What's worse is that Baku's suction can't even hurt Susanoo so your point is an absolute pile of horseshit even if I were to agree that Hiashi's Air Palm was stronger.

But this is the guy who tried to argue that Onoki can solo EMS Madara. So that'd explain why I'm not surprised you'd claim Hiashi's Air Palm>Madara's Susanoo.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Considering you've failed to give any evidence to the contrary, I will. What's worse is that Baku's suction can't even hurt Susanoo so your point is an absolute pile of horseshit even if I were to agree that Hiashi's Air Palm was stronger.

But this is the guy who tried to argue that Onoki can solo EMS Madara. So that'd explain why I'm not surprised you'd claim Hiashi's Air Palm>Madara's Susanoo.

You didn't even get the point I was trying to make. When did I say Baku can hurt Susanoo? Get a pair of glasses and read again. I said Sasuke's susanoo couldn't do shit to Baku's absorption.

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Baku is literally tiny compared to the size of Juubi's hand.
Now compared to the what Hiashi did and come say bullshit about me proving Hiashi's air palm is stronger. I really want to know how you came to the conclusion that Baku's absorption is stronger than Hiashi's air palm. I guess swallowing some rocks makes you impressive.

 

[KidGamer65]

You didn't even get the point I was trying to make. When did I say Baku can hurt Susanoo? Get a pair of glasses and read again. I said Sasuke's susanoo couldn't do shit to Baku's absorption.

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Baku is literally tiny compared to the size of Juubi's hand.
Now compared to the what Hiashi did and come say bullshit about me proving Hiashi's air palm is stronger. I really want to know how you came to the conclusion that Baku's absorption is stronger than Hiashi's air palm. I guess swallowing some rocks makes you impressive.

Smh. It's ironic that you talk about getting some glasses and reading, when it seems that you can't read the Manga or my posts. Where did I say that you claimed Baku could hurt Susanoo? Oh wait, never. I said that Baku wasn't able to hurt Susanoo, thus Air Palm being able to do so just because it's stronger than Baku's suction doesn't mean shit.

Then there's the fact that your comparison doesn't even make a bit of sense. How are you even comparing an Air Palm to Suction when they don't work the same way at all. Suction isn't even destructive so I'm not going to waste my time on that point. Baku being smaller than the Juubi has jack shit to do with the power of it's suction anyway. Now, how about you prove your main claim? How does the air palm even damage Susanoo? Though I fully expect either:

-BS reply.
-No reply.
-Irrelevant reply.

Not sure what's going on, but it's like all the clowns and tards and illiterates are coming out of the woodworks this week.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Smh. It's ironic that you talk about getting some glasses and reading, when it seems that you can't read the Manga or my posts. Where did I say that you claimed Baku could hurt Susanoo? Oh wait, never. I said that Baku wasn't able to hurt Susanoo, thus Air Palm being able to do so just because it's stronger than Baku's suction doesn't mean shit.

Then there's the fact that your comparison doesn't even make a bit of sense. How are you even comparing an Air Palm to Suction when they don't work the same way at all. Suction isn't even destructive so I'm not going to waste my time on that point. Baku being smaller than the Juubi has jack shit to do with the power of it's suction anyway. Now, how about you prove your main claim? How does the air palm even damage Susanoo? Though I fully expect either:

-BS reply.
-No reply.
-Irrelevant reply.

Not sure what's going on, but it's like all the clowns and tards and illiterates are coming out of the woodworks this week.

And I wasn't wrong about you not being able to read. This is what you said

Considering you've failed to give any evidence to the contrary, I will. What's worse is that Baku's suction can't even hurt Susanoo so your point is an absolute pile of horseshit even if I were to agree that Hiashi's Air Palm was stronger.

You were implying that I said Baku's suction can hurt Susanoo, when I didn't. I wasn't trying to make that point.

We're comparing the force of the attacks here, when the force of the air palm completely shits on whatever Baku has done, or whatever Danzo's fuuton has done to Susanoo while being amplified by Baku. So you say Baku's suction is stronger than Hiashi's air palm when it couldn't even move Susanoo while Susanoo was holding itself in place with its hands. Are you saying Sasuke's susanoo hands>Juubi's hands?

Now why don't you take your head out the ass and actually prove your point?

 

[KidGamer65]

And I wasn't wrong about you not being able to read. This is what you said

You were implying that I said Baku's suction can hurt Susanoo, when I didn't. I wasn't trying to make that point.

We're comparing the force of the attacks here, when the force of the air palm completely shits on whatever Baku has done, or whatever Danzo's fuuton has done to Susanoo while being amplified by Baku. So you say Baku's suction is stronger than Hiashi's air palm when it couldn't even move Susanoo while Susanoo was holding itself in place with its hands. Are you saying Sasuke's susanoo hands>Juubi's hands?

Now why don't you take your head out the ass and actually prove your point?

Smh. Amazing. Read pal. Read. This is getting pretty ridiculous. Not sure if you are typing with your head up your ass or what. air palm being stronger than the suction doesn't mean anything because the suction can't do anything. I never said you implied anything. Please. Read. Before. You. Reply. The bold is what you said and the bold is my reply to your "air palm>suction" point. L2Read. It'll make everything in life that much easier and it'll make you look a lot less dumber.

It couldn't move Susanoo because Susanoo was holding it's ground. Not to mention Susanoo was completely immobilized in the process The Juubi's palm wasn't nor could it hold it's ground so being able to push it away doesn't prove your point. You kids look at Hiashi's feat and start stroking and beating off to it like it's some God Tier feat, when in reality he just pushed a tail a bit smaller than Bijuu up a few dozen meters into the air. Naruto slaps Bijuu (who can actually braces themselves) around at far greater distances in BM yet he can't damage a Complete Susanoo without Bijuu Dama. Same with Killer B.


I could agree that the force behind the air palm is greater, but not only have not provided sufficient proof, you've made another idiotic claim. Please prove the horseshit you are spewing. When the air palm shows a feat greater than pushing a Bijuu sized palm up into the air (one that offers little resistance), then we can talk about it being able to damage a Complete Susanoo like Danzo's enhanced fuuton.

Though thanks for proving my point. Lmao. You've failed to prove your main point so you are harping on side points. Tell me more about how Hiashi busts through Susanoo. I'll be waiting to hear this terrible ass argument.

 

[Lord Tywin]

It couldn't move Susanoo because Susanoo was holding it's ground. Not to mention Susanoo was completely immobilized in the process The Juubi's palm wasn't nor could it hold it's ground so being able to push it away doesn't prove your point. You kids look at Hiashi's feat and start stroking and beating off to it like it's some God Tier feat, when in reality he just pushed a tail a bit smaller than Bijuu up a few dozen meters into the air. Naruto slaps Bijuu (who can actually braces themselves) around at far greater distances in BM yet he can't damage a Complete Susanoo without Bijuu Dama. Same with Killer B.

And what's the size of a V3 Susanoo? It's far smaller than a bijuu.
>says Kurama can't break a complete susanoo
>Kurama and beasts each used a tail to destroy Madara's standing susanoo.
And don't give me that bijuus used all of their powers to destroy it. It can happen with Kuarama too if he uses all of his tails.
Air palm would push Madara kilometers away. Madara's feeling that.

I could agree that the force behind the air palm is greater, but not only have not provided sufficient proof, you've made another idiotic claim. Please prove the horseshit you are spewing. When the air palm shows a feat greater than pushing a Bijuu sized palm up into the air (one that offers little resistance), then we can talk about it being able to damage a Complete Susanoo like Danzo's enhanced fuuton.

Little resistance? I guess the incoming juubi arm had no power in its movement, and was just free falling.

Though thanks for proving my point. Lmao. You've failed to prove your main point so you are harping on side points. Tell me more about how Hiashi busts through Susanoo. I'll be waiting to hear this terrible ass argument.

no worries

 

[KidGamer65]

And what's the size of a V3 Susanoo? It's far smaller than a bijuu.

Size is irrelevant to the point.

>says Kurama can't break a complete susanoo

Canon.

>Kurama and beasts each used a tail to destroy Madara's standing susanoo.

Yes. Because ALL 9 BIJUU=Kurama alone. Lmao. What is wrong with you people?

And don't give me that bijuus used all of their powers to destroy it. It can happen with Kuarama too if he uses all of his tails.

If only that was true. It's easier to put his strength into one tail just like the others instead of spreading it out among all 9 of his tails.

Then there's the fact that I was only talking about a single hit. Hence me mentioning that Kurama can knock away Bijuu in a single hit, but can't break Susanoo open in a single hit. Though I guess I should've stated that outright since you've already shown me how bad your reading comprehension is. Smh.

Air palm would push Madara kilometers away. Madara's feeling that.

Do you even know what a kilometer is? Cause if you did you wouldn't claim that an air palm that could only push the Juubi's palm

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far away, would push Madara's Susanoo kilometers away.

FYI 1 kilometer=1000m. Hiashi didn't even push that palm 50 meters away. And even after all this, you still haven't shown me how it will do damage. It pushing Madara away isn't evidence that he's going to "feel that".

Little resistance? I guess the incoming juubi arm had no power in its movement, and was just free falling.

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With that pathetic amount of speed behind it? Nope.

 

[Lord Tywin]

:lol I'm done with this garbage though. This clown thinks complete susanoo is physically stronger than juubi's hand. But if you want to read, go on. Not gonna feed his arrogant fool.

Size is irrelevant to the point.

A susanoo is physically weaker too. Naruto was tossing bijuus around with one hand. Complete susanoo can't.

If only that was true. It's easier to put his strength into one tail just like the others instead of spreading it out among all 9 of his tails.

Then there's the fact that I was only talking about a single hit. Hence me mentioning that Kurama can knock away Bijuu in a single hit, but can't break Susanoo open in a single hit. Though I guess I should've stated that outright since you've already shown me how bad your reading comprehension is. Smh.

Right. Now when are we going to stop assuming and actually present something factual? Where is your proof of what you said?
Nothing to back your claim on not being able to use his full strength.

Do you even know what a kilometer is? Cause if you did you wouldn't claim that an air palm that could only push the Juubi's palm

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far away, would push Madara's Susanoo kilometers away.

lmao Now you think a complete susanoo's strength is as great as juubi's hand.

FYI 1 kilometer=1000m. Hiashi didn't even push that palm 50 meters away. And even after all this, you still haven't shown me how it will do damage. It pushing Madara away isn't evidence that he's going to "feel that".

Something that pushes you far for sure does damage. Sasuke needed to block Danzo's weaker

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Itachi needed to block paper bombs with Yata mirror.
The user feels some of the attack as well if the attack is strong enough.

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With that pathetic amount of speed behind it? Nope.

How did you measure its speed? We literally had no idea where the hand was before that.
It was above them, raining down wood sticks, then it came down immediately to smash the people down there. by no way it was slow.

 

[KidGamer65]

:lol I'm done with this garbage though. This clown thinks complete susanoo is physically stronger than juubi's hand. But if you want to read, go on. Not gonna feed his arrogant fool.

So when you've lost the argument, you resort to strawmanning my argument? Lmao. Come at me when you can actually prove that I said this kid. Until then, FOH. Not even sure how you made it past round 1 of the tourney when your ability to rationalize your views is this ****ing poor.

A susanoo is physically weaker too. Naruto was tossing bijuus around with one hand. Complete susanoo can't.

Did I say it could? Oh wait. No, I didn't. Irrelevant ass reply. We are talking about Susanoo's defense, not it's offense. Get with the program son.

Right. Now when are we going to stop assuming and actually present something factual? Where is your proof of what you said?
Nothing to back your claim on not being able to use his full strength.

That's physics kid. It's easier to punch with one hand than it is to punch with two hands. Same goes with throwing.

lmao Now you think a complete susanoo's strength is as great as juubi's hand.

Where did I say that? Lmao. Is this "let's all be a bunch of retards" week or something? Got one retard in a Madara thread, got the biggest retard in another thread and I have you in this thread. Smh.

Something that pushes you far for sure does damage. Sasuke needed to block Danzo's weaker

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Itachi needed to block paper bombs with Yata mirror.
The user feels some of the attack as well if the attack is strong enough.

What in the actual hell is this supposed to prove? Not only are the examples completely unrelated to your point, you've literally shown me people tanking attacks with zero damage, to try and prove your point that Hiashi can damage Susanoo? Is the obvious flaw in your logic not that obvious to you? Smh.

-How does Susanoo tanking Danzo's Fuuton prove that being blown away by the Air Palm will damage Madara's Susanoo?
-How does Itachi tanking Paper Bombs with Susanoo prove that being blown away by the Air Palm will damage Madara's Susanoo?

Yes. The user feels the attack if the attack is strong enough to get past Susanoo. That's it. Is Air Palm strong enough to get past Susanoo? No. You said it is, but you can't even provide a single piece of relevant evidence. Just nonsense comparisons and the use of the strawman fallacy to make my argument look worse so yours doesn't look like the absolute pile of trash that it is.

How did you measure its speed? We literally had no idea where the hand was before that.
It was above them, raining down wood sticks, then it came down immediately to smash the people down there. by no way it was slow.

How fast it got to the ground is irrelevant. How fast it was moving across the ground is what is relevant, and if it was moving fast, then Hiashi wouldn't have been able to blast it away before it moved any closer.

 

[Lord Tywin]

So when you've lost the argument, you resort to strawmanning my argument? Lmao. Come at me when you can actually prove that I said this kid. Until then, FOH. Not even sure how you made it past round 1 of the tourney when your ability to rationalize your views is this ****ing poor.



Did I say it could? Oh wait. No, I didn't. Irrelevant ass reply. We are talking about Susanoo's defense, not it's offense. Get with the program son.



That's physics kid. It's easier to punch with one hand than it is to punch with two hands. Same goes with throwing.




Where did I say that? Lmao. Is this "let's all be a bunch of retards" week or something? Got one retard in a Madara thread, got the biggest retard in another thread and I have you in this thread. Smh.


What in the actual hell is this supposed to prove? Not only are the examples completely unrelated to your point, you've literally shown me people tanking attacks with zero damage, to try and prove your point that Hiashi can damage Susanoo? Is the obvious flaw in your logic not that obvious to you? Smh.

-How does Susanoo tanking Danzo's Fuuton prove that being blown away by the Air Palm will damage Madara's Susanoo?
-How does Itachi tanking Paper Bombs with Susanoo prove that being blown away by the Air Palm will damage Madara's Susanoo?

Yes. The user feels the attack if the attack is strong enough to get past Susanoo. That's it. Is Air Palm strong enough to get past Susanoo? No. You said it is, but you can't even provide a single piece of relevant evidence. Just nonsense comparisons and the use of the strawman fallacy to make my argument look worse so yours doesn't look like the absolute pile of trash that it is.



How fast it got to the ground is irrelevant. How fast it was moving across the ground is what is relevant, and if it was moving fast, then Hiashi wouldn't have been able to blast it away before it moved any closer.

Alright man, keep fighting the good fight. :lol

 

[Lord Tywin]

I guess I got a little time for this clown.

So when you've lost the argument, you resort to strawmanning my argument? Lmao. Come at me when you can actually prove that I said this kid. Until then, FOH. Not even sure how you made it past round 1 of the tourney when your ability to rationalize your views is this ****ing poor.

The **** is with this condescending attitude? Cool kid around the block? Must be living the dream, man. I'm actually happy for you.

Did I say it could? Oh wait. No, I didn't. Irrelevant ass reply. We are talking about Susanoo's defense, not it's offense. Get with the program son.

What was Susanoo's defense against Baku's absorption? Holding on the pillar it was on. We're talking about Susanoo's defense, and Air Palm's ability to push it away. You said Juubi's hands are bijuu sized, and Air palm was able to push it away a dozen or two meters. Point is A complete susanoo is smaller and weaker physically than a bijuu. Can be pushed away by Air palm.

That's physics kid. It's easier to punch with one hand than it is to punch with two hands. Same goes with throwing.

How did using physics work out for you the last time you used it in a thread? Oh you failed miserably.
And foh with using physics in a piece of fiction. People are walking on water and flying. ***** says "physics".

Where did I say that? Lmao. Is this "let's all be a bunch of retards" week or something? Got one retard in a Madara thread, got the biggest retard in another thread and I have you in this thread. Smh.

:lol dude stfu and actually understand what you're saying yourself in the quote below.

Do you even know what a kilometer is? Cause if you did you wouldn't claim that an air palm that could only push the Juubi's palm

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far away, would push Madara's Susanoo kilometers away.

You were doubting an Air Palm that can push Juubi's hand away can push Madara's susanoo away. Do I gotta spell everything out for you?
Get those glasses. You might end up killing someone if you take another step.

What in the actual hell is this supposed to prove? Not only are the examples completely unrelated to your point, you've literally shown me people tanking attacks with zero damage, to try and prove your point that Hiashi can damage Susanoo? Is the obvious flaw in your logic not that obvious to you? Smh.

Hurr durr, I can only call other people's points irrelevant.

-How does Susanoo tanking Danzo's Fuuton prove that being blown away by the Air Palm will damage Madara's Susanoo?
-How does Itachi tanking Paper Bombs with Susanoo prove that being blown away by the Air Palm will damage Madara's Susanoo?

Yes. The user feels the attack if the attack is strong enough to get past Susanoo. That's it. Is Air Palm strong enough to get past Susanoo? No. You said it is, but you can't even provide a single piece of relevant evidence. Just nonsense comparisons and the use of the strawman fallacy to make my argument look worse so yours doesn't look like the absolute pile of trash that it is.

Point is that the user will receive some of the damage if the attack is strong enough. You seem to see yourself as the manga expert and authority on it. Take another look. Sasuke was blocking Danzo's fuuton with his Susanoo bow, which provided another layer of protection. He didn't straight up tank the fuuton with Susanoo's body. Same is true about Itachi.

How fast it got to the ground is irrelevant. How fast it was moving across the ground is what is relevant, and if it was moving fast, then Hiashi wouldn't have been able to blast it away before it moved any closer.

Or that Hiashi's reaction time was enough to do that there.

You seem to have a knack on calling my arguments irrelevant. I know that you suffer from dementia, and I know it must be hard on you and your family. But you got to actually provide evidence that Air Palm can't push away a MS susanoo, and not being able to crack it. It felt to me that you've had this susanoo in mind while you were typing this garbage.

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which is the EMS version. Now talk to me when this type of susanoo

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can withstand Hiashi's Air Palm.

Now be a good little dog you are and dislike my post. That's the only thing you're good at, besides calling others retards. I doubt you even know mental retardation is an actual disorder.

 

[KidGamer65]

I guess I got a little time for this clown.

The **** is with this condescending attitude? Cool kid around the block? Must be living the dream, man. I'm actually happy for you.

It's because you've resorted to twisting my words around instead of actually posting stuff that makes sense.

What was Susanoo's defense against Baku's absorption? Holding on the pillar it was on. We're talking about Susanoo's defense, and Air Palm's ability to push it away. You said Juubi's hands are bijuu sized, and Air palm was able to push it away a dozen or two meters. Point is A complete susanoo is smaller and weaker physically than a bijuu. Can be pushed away by Air palm.

Nice waste of a post since I never denied that Air Palm would push away the Susanoo. We are talking about actually damaging the construct itself. The suction didn't hurt Sasuke's Susanoo because it's suction, not because it "held on". It didn't get sucked in because it held on. Smh.

So now. Please prove that the Air Palm will damage Susanoo and kill Madara.

How did using physics work out for you the last time you used it in a thread? Oh you failed miserably.
And foh with using physics in a piece of fiction. People are walking on water and flying. ***** says "physics".

So basically you have no counter? Duly noted.

:lol dude stfu and actually understand what you're saying yourself in the quote below.

I know what I'm saying, and I know what you're saying. You don't know what I'm saying and I'm pretty damn sure you have no idea what you are saying either.

You were doubting an Air Palm that can push Juubi's hand away can push Madara's susanoo away. Do I gotta spell everything out for you?
Get those glasses. You might end up killing someone if you take another step.

I said that the Air Palm wouldn't damage the Susanoo. Never said that it wouldn't push it. Do I have to spell everything out for you? Or is this idiocy temporary? Learn how to read kid. If you could, then half your post wouldn't even exist right now.

Hurr durr, I can only call other people's points irrelevant.

I've explained why your points make no sense.

Point is that the user will receive some of the damage if the attack is strong enough

No ****ing shit. That's obvious with every technique and every defense. You are supposed to be proving that AIR PALM IS STRONG ENOUGH. You aren't supposed to be stating the obvious.

You seem to see yourself as the manga expert and authority on it. Take another look. Sasuke was blocking Danzo's fuuton with his Susanoo bow, which provided another layer of protection. He didn't straight up tank the fuuton with Susanoo's body. Same is true about Itachi.

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Now, once again:

1. How the hell does this prove that Air Palm is strong enough to bust through Susanoo?

2. If you are implying that Sasuke needed to block with his bow otherwise Susanoo would've been damaged or destroyed, kindly do me a favor and PROVE IT. Danzo needed 3-4 Wind Blades+Baku's suction to make a hole in the BACK of Sasuke's Susanoo. So there's no way he's damaging it without Baku. Sasuke would've tanked his pathetic attack w/ or w/o a bow. And I hope you aren't implying that Itachi needed Yata Mirror to block EXPLOSIVE TAGS. I really hope you aren't.

Or that Hiashi's reaction time was enough to do that there.

We've seen how fast the Juubi can move.

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That has jack to do with his "reaction speed". It's because it wasn't moving fast. Hiashi isn't a speedster. That much is a fact.

You seem to have a knack on calling my arguments irrelevant. I know that you suffer from dementia, and I know it must be hard on you and your family. But you got to actually provide evidence that Air Palm can't push away a MS susanoo, and not being able to crack it. It felt to me that you've had this susanoo in mind while you were typing this garbage.

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which is the EMS version. Now talk to me when this type of susanoo

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can withstand Hiashi's Air Palm.

The crazy part is...I never claimed the bold, and I've already given evidence that the underlined is false. What's funny is that I've been referring to an MS Complete Susanoo this whole debate. Nice waste of a post though kid. Keep on showing me how stupid you can get.

-BM Naruto smacks Bijuu around with a single hit. Which is an equal or better feat than Hiashi's Air Palm's feat
-BM Naruto can't destroy a Complete Susanoo in one hit.
-No reason to believe Hiashi's Air Palm will damage a Complete Susanoo.

I'm waiting for you to stop making ridiculous and irrelevant references like Paper Tags vs. Yata Mirror and actually give real evidence to prove your point.

Now be a good little dog you are and dislike my post. That's the only thing you're good at, besides calling others retards. I doubt you even know mental retardation is an actual disorder.

Oh I know it's a real disorder. You seem to be suffering from some form of it given the garbage in this post of yours.

 

[Lord Tywin]

It's because you've resorted to twisting my words around instead of actually posting stuff that makes sense.

ahha, and you actually posted shit that makes sense?

Nice waste of a post since I never denied that Air Palm would push away the Susanoo. We are talking about actually damaging the construct itself. The suction didn't hurt Sasuke's Susanoo because it's suction, not because it "held on". It didn't get sucked in because it held on. Smh.


So now. Please prove that the Air Palm will damage Susanoo and kill Madara.

When did I say the suction would hurt susanoo? I was talking about the power of the suction. Its power is weaker than Air Palm.

So basically you have no counter? Duly noted.

What the **** was there to counter? :lol you said physics, and I merely brought up why its bullshit to use it here. Tsunade's physical structure is that of an ordinary woman, yet she punches harder than men that look far bigger han her. .

I know what I'm saying, and I know what you're saying. You don't know what I'm saying and I'm pretty damn sure you have no idea what you are saying either.

right....

I said that the Air Palm wouldn't damage the Susanoo. Never said that it wouldn't push it. Do I have to spell everything out for you? Or is this idiocy temporary? Learn how to read kid. If you could, then half your post wouldn't even exist right now.

Bruh, please get those glasses. It's embarrassing really. Do I gotta beg another dude for his own sake? Let me post your garbage once more

Do you even know what a kilometer is? Cause if you did you wouldn't claim that an air palm that could only push the Juubi's palm this far away, would push Madara's Susanoo kilometers away.

YOU SAID AIR PALM CAN'T PUSH AWAY MADARA'S SUSANOO KILOMETERS AWAY BECAUSE IT COULDN'T DO IT WITH JUUBI'S HAND. Implying they have the same strength. Keep in mind that I'm not shouting at you. I used capitalized letters to make it easier for you to read. It's hard without contact lenses or glasses, and dementia really gets in the way.

I've explained why your points make no sense.

sigh...

No ****ing shit. That's obvious with every technique and every defense. You are supposed to be proving that AIR PALM IS STRONG ENOUGH. You aren't supposed to be stating the obvious.

BAKU ENHANCED FUUTON FROM DANZO COULD RIP THROUGH A CHUNK OF SUSANOO. Now see what you did there? You made me feel bad about using capitalized words again for you. Are you ok man? I'm wishing for your forgiveness.

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Now, once again:


1. How the hell does this prove that Air Palm is strong enough to bust through Susanoo?


2. If you are implying that Sasuke needed to block with his bow otherwise Susanoo would've been damaged or destroyed, kindly do me a favor and PROVE IT. Danzo needed 3-4 Wind Blades+Baku's suction to make a hole in the BACK of Sasuke's Susanoo. So there's no way he's damaging it without Baku. Sasuke would've tanked his pathetic attack w/ or w/o a bow. And I hope you aren't implying that Itachi needed Yata Mirror to block EXPLOSIVE TAGS. I really hope you aren't.

2. No I didn't say that. My point is that if Sasuke's susanoo had received that damage he would have felt it himself. Hence blocking it with Susanoo's bow.
Amplify Baku enhanced Fuuton 100x and Hiashi's air palm will be stronger.

We've seen how fast the Juubi can move.

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That has jack to do with his "reaction speed". It's because it wasn't moving fast. Hiashi isn't a speedster. That much is a fact.

And how many fights have we seen from Hiashi? Or was Naruto's large Bijuu mode impressive when he activated there for the 2nd time there? Naruto's speed in BM was impressive when he wasn't using his avatar. Until he fought with Juubito and mixed senjutsu with the avatar.

The crazy part is...I never claimed the bold, and I've already given evidence that the underlined is false. What's funny is that I've been referring to an MS Complete Susanoo this whole debate. Nice waste of a post though kid. Keep on showing me how stupid you can get.


-BM Naruto smacks Bijuu around with a single hit. Which is an equal or better feat than Hiashi's Air Palm's feat
-BM Naruto can't destroy a Complete Susanoo in one hit.
-No reason to believe Hiashi's Air Palm will damage a Complete Susanoo.


I'm waiting for you to stop making ridiculous and irrelevant references like Paper Tags vs. Yata Mirror and actually give real evidence to prove your point.








Oh I know it's a real disorder. You seem to be suffering from some form of it given the garbage in this post of yours.

You done denying the shit you actually implied?
Good thing you were talking about MS susanoo. You missed it when I said "it felt to me", but I'm not expecting anything better from you.

 

[KidGamer65]

ahha, and you actually posted shit that makes sense?



When did I say the suction would hurt susanoo? I was talking about the power of the suction. Its power is weaker than Air Palm.

This dude.....Once again. That's me pointing something out. I never said you said anything. Jesus Christ. Learn how to read.

What the **** was there to counter? :lol you said physics, and I merely brought up why its bullshit to use it here. Tsunade's physical structure is that of an ordinary woman, yet she punches harder than men that look far bigger han her. .

No, you stated it's impossible to use physics because it's fiction without explaining why it couldn't be used in this particular situation. Kishimoto doesn't toss all common sense out of the window when he writes. No storyteller does. If they don't use real world laws, they make their own laws. There is no special law in the Manga for this case, so I can use real world logic. It's really that simple.

Bruh, please get those glasses. It's embarrassing really. Do I gotta beg another dude for his own sake? Let me post your garbage once more

YOU SAID AIR PALM CAN'T PUSH AWAY MADARA'S SUSANOO KILOMETERS AWAY BECAUSE IT COULDN'T DO IT WITH JUUBI'S HAND. Implying they have the same strength. Keep in mind that I'm not shouting at you. I used capitalized letters to make it easier for you to read. It's hard without contact lenses or glasses, and dementia really gets in the way.

Smh. This kid. I said that it can't push it "KILOMETERS" away. Key word "Kilometers" I never said it wouldn't be able to push it away. Just that the distance you gave was complete and utter horseshit. And no, I didn't imply that they are equal in strength. The size difference between the hand and Madara's Susanoo is not large enough for you to claim that he'll go from less than 50m to well over 2000m. Once again IKratos displays to Narutobase why he is in fact an illiterate dumbass.

BAKU ENHANCED FUUTON FROM DANZO COULD RIP THROUGH A CHUNK OF SUSANOO. Now see what you did there? You made me feel bad about using capitalized words again for you. Are you ok man? I'm wishing for your forgiveness.

Good. Now prove that Air Palm is stronger than the Baku Enhanced Fuuton. Air Palm having more force behind it than the suction alone doesn't prove that it will deal more damage than suction+Fuuton. I shouldn't have to explain that to you, but hey, it's IKratos. A retard. You never know what to expect.

-Baku Fuuton's feats are cutting a hole in Sasuke's Complete Susanoo.
-Air Palm's feats are knocking a Bijuu sized entity less than 50 meters into the air. A feat equal or inferior to what BM Naruto and Killer B do with their fists, yet BM B can't damage a Complete Susanoo with his fists nor can BM Naruto damage one with his fists in a single strike.

What's worse is that Madara has an Armored Susanoo here, not just a Complete Susanoo.

So tell me IKratos. How does Air Palm do what Baku Fuuton did when BM Naruto has more physical power than what the Air Palm put out, but couldn't hurt Susanoo in one hit? I'll be waiting for this one. Lmao.

2. No I didn't say that. My point is that if Sasuke's susanoo had received that damage he would have felt it himself. Hence blocking it with Susanoo's bow.

And now I'm waiting for you to PROVE IT. Why would Sasuke feel the impact from the attack when his Susanoo would completely block said attack? Why would his Susanoo even take damage to begin with when it took something much stronger to do minor damage to his Susanoo? Especially since he didn't use a bow to block the Baku Fuuton.

Amplify Baku enhanced Fuuton 100x and Hiashi's air palm will be stronger.

Based on what exactly? Cause the Manga shows that Hiashi's Air Palm is around the physical strikes of Bijuu who can't hurt Complete Susanoo with only one strike going off of feats.

Oh wait. Nothing. You have no proof for anything you state. You just ignore counter arguments, cry about dementia, and then fail to comprehend the simple words in front of you on your computer screen. Is English your first language? Must not be considering you are having such a hard time understanding it.

And how many fights have we seen from Hiashi? Or was Naruto's large Bijuu mode impressive when he activated there for the 2nd time there? Naruto's speed in BM was impressive when he wasn't using his avatar. Until he fought with Juubito and mixed senjutsu with the avatar.

Does this change the fact that Hiashi is no speedster?

No, it doesn't. If you want me to believe he's a speedster, why don't you do what we all do around here and get some goddamn feats instead of crying about his lack of panel time.

You done denying the shit you actually implied?

To anyone with a sub par grasp of this language, I didn't imply anything that you are claiming that I implied.

Good thing you were talking about MS susanoo. You missed it when I said "it felt to me", but I'm not expecting anything better from you.

So you typed up another post, yet you still haven't proven your claim. Lmao. What a joke. Scrubs like you shouldn't have been let in the tourney. Makes it too easy for people who don't have their head up their asses. Wouldn't be surprised if PawsX slays your dumbass despite you having the massive character advantage.


-You claimed that Air Palm would push away and destroy Madara's Susanoo.
-I asked for proof. Never got any real proof.
-You asked for evidence it can't.
-I listed two examples of two Bijuu performing feats on par or greater than Air Palm's, but being unable to even DAMAGE Madara's Complete Susanoo.

Inb4 someone comes in here talking about him being in Sage Mode. It's irrelevant. Sage Mode won't grant his Susanoo so much of a boost that it would be above the next stage of Susanoo altogether.

-You keep ignoring these examples in favor of the usual BS that you seem to have a knack for posting. Air Palm does not have the power to obliterate Madara's Susanoo. Period. It's hard to have a real discussion with ****s like you when you have to pause and help them read the Manga and your posts every few ****ing seconds.

 

[EZQ]

He doesn't. Madara's Katon would roast him (which he can't dodge nor stop), and his Taijutsu skills would end Kakashi.

Kakashi goes underground to avoid katon. And Madara has no counter for kamui.

 

[Rιver]

Kakashi goes underground to avoid katon. And Madara has no counter for kamui.

And Kakashi dies the moment he comes back to the surface. And Kamui is cancelled by Obito.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Jesus Christ, I'm not even Christian and this guy's making me turn to Jesus. Jehova Witness would be proud. But I'm done with this for real though. Guy's too hormonal to discuss some shit with. Say shit like I've given up. It'll make you feel better.

No, you stated it's impossible to use physics because it's fiction without explaining why it couldn't be used in this particular situation. Kishimoto doesn't toss all common sense out of the window when he writes. No storyteller does. If they don't use real world laws, they make their own laws. There is no special law in the Manga for this case, so I can use real world logic. It's really that simple.

No, ass, when did I say its impossible to use physics? I merely pointed out the instances physics have been shat on in the manga. Physical strength as well. Like Tsunade's physical strength. Like kicking air to elevate yourself. Like punching so fast it causes friction in the air. Stop putting words in my mouth.

Smh. This kid. I said that it can't push it "KILOMETERS" away. Key word "Kilometers" I never said it wouldn't be able to push it away. Just that the distance you gave was complete and utter horseshit. And no, I didn't imply that they are equal in strength. The size difference between the hand and Madara's Susanoo is not large enough for you to claim that he'll go from less than 50m to well over 2000m. Once again IKratos displays to Narutobase why he is in fact an illiterate dumbass.

And I didn't say that you said it can't push it away at all. This is what I said

YOU SAID AIR PALM CAN'T PUSH AWAY MADARA'S SUSANOO KILOMETERS AWAY BECAUSE IT COULDN'T DO IT WITH JUUBI'S HAND. Implying they have the same strength.

Are these simple words too much to make sense out of? I pointed out the fact that you said it can't push away complete susanoo Kilometers away because it couldn't push away Juubi's hand that far away. This is as simple as it gets. Shouldn't be that hard for the Naruto nerd to understand.

Good. Now prove that Air Palm is stronger than the Baku Enhanced Fuuton. Air Palm having more force behind it than the suction alone doesn't prove that it will deal more damage than suction+Fuuton. I shouldn't have to explain that to you, but hey, it's IKratos. A retard. You never know what to expect.

It's the fact that Air Palm is far stronger than a Baku enhanced Fuuton given Air Palm's feat against Juubi's hand. You've yet to prove that Susanoo is strong enough to handle that. Madara's susanoo felt a punch from Ay while Ohnoki was on his back. Air Palm is, for the 10th time, stronger than that.

-Baku Fuuton's feats are cutting a hole in Sasuke's Complete Susanoo.
-Air Palm's feats are knocking a Bijuu sized entity less than 50 meters into the air. A feat equal or inferior to what BM Naruto and Killer B do with their fists, yet BM B can't damage a Complete Susanoo with his fists nor can BM Naruto damage one with his fists in a single strike.

First version of the Juubi was able to deflect a bijuu dama with a flick of its finger. That surpasses what Naruto has done. Hiashi pushed an ENTIRE hand of a stronger juubi away. What bullshit are you gonna pull out of your ass next time?

What's worse is that Madara has an Armored Susanoo here, not just a Complete Susanoo.

So tell me IKratos. How does Air Palm do what Baku Fuuton did when BM Naruto has more physical power than what the Air Palm put out, but couldn't hurt Susanoo in one hit? I'll be waiting for this one. Lmao.

I've told you above why Naruto's little strength feat isn't all that.

And now I'm waiting for you to PROVE IT. Why would Sasuke feel the impact from the attack when his Susanoo would completely block said attack? Why would his Susanoo even take damage to begin with when it took something much stronger to do minor damage to his Susanoo? Especially since he didn't use a bow to block the Baku Fuuton.

You're literally uttering my question in bold. What was the reason why Sasuke had to block Danzo's fuuton with his bow? Other than the fact that he would have felt it himself if susanoo had received the attack with its bare body.
You're showing your mental capacities here. Why Sasuke didn't block with his bow Baku enhanced fuuton? Because he was immobilized by Baku's suction.

Based on what exactly? Cause the Manga shows that Hiashi's Air Palm is around the physical strikes of Bijuu who can't hurt Complete Susanoo with only one strike going off of feats.

Already addressed why that's pure garbage.

Oh wait. Nothing. You have no proof for anything you state. You just ignore counter arguments, cry about dementia, and then fail to comprehend the simple words in front of you on your computer screen. Is English your first language? Must not be considering you are having such a hard time understanding it.

Dream on, little man. Keep in mind that dreams don't always come true. Like when you found out Santa isn't real.
And yes English is my second language. Is it your first? That makes it even worse for you. Can't even understand his native language, and his vocabulary consists of "retard", "dumbass", "idiot", "kid", etc. Is mommy proud of what you have accomplished? I'm sure she can't handle your awesome intellect.

Does this change the fact that Hiashi is no speedster?

No, it doesn't. If you want me to believe he's a speedster, why don't you do what we all do around here and get some goddamn feats instead of crying about his lack of panel time.

I've shown you the feats, and you're undermining it. Juubi's hand speed is that same, yet Hiashi had no problem pushing it away. That's pretty much the only reaction feat we got from him, and we go by that. Your turn to prove he can't react to juubi's full speed hand movement.

To anyone with a sub par grasp of this language, I didn't imply anything that you are claiming that I implied.

This guy is literally worse than Shelke in playing the dummy.

So you typed up another post, yet you still haven't proven your claim. Lmao. What a joke. Scrubs like you shouldn't have been let in the tourney. Makes it too easy for people who don't have their head up their asses. Wouldn't be surprised if PawsX slays your dumbass despite you having the massive character advantage.

Keep calm, man. You haven't seen the last of me. Dude types like NB is his backyard. Sit down, boy. Go and dislike my post again. ***** about me being a retard as well. Only making yourself look bad. But you can't have that, can you? Online life is the only thing you have left for you, is it not?

-You claimed that Air Palm would push away and destroy Madara's Susanoo.
-I asked for proof. Never got any real proof.
-You asked for evidence it can't.
-I listed two examples of two Bijuu performing feats on par or greater than Air Palm's, but being unable to even DAMAGE Madara's Complete Susanoo.

yeah...
and you've yet to prove that complete susanoo is anywhere near as strong as Juubi's hand. All you've said is "it can't be destroyed because I said so" without actually proving shit.

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Inb4 someone comes in here talking about him being in Sage Mode. It's irrelevant. Sage Mode won't grant his Susanoo so much of a boost that it would be above the next stage of Susanoo altogether.

lmao what the **** are you even saying?

-You keep ignoring these examples in favor of the usual BS that you seem to have a knack for posting. Air Palm does not have the power to obliterate Madara's Susanoo. Period. It's hard to have a real discussion with ****s like you when you have to pause and help them read the Manga and your posts every few ****ing seconds.

Right, because some of us actually have lives, and don't memorize this manga down to its smallest of details. **** boy thinks its an accomplishment to memorize this manga.